Defeat or stalemate?

Dr. Percival Cox

Dr. Percival Cox

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So, I'm a generally a pretty competitive person. Doesn't matter what I play at, I get into it. I mean REALLY into it. And, of course, I love to win. Now, if I lose, I don't get too upset. I get a little bit frustrated but I rarely get angry (unless I'm playing a video game against the AI but that's because I don't like the idea of losing to anything that doesn't have it's own free thinking process). But I fucking hate when something ends in a draw.

I was at my buddy's house and we were playing chess (I wasn't joking when I said that it doesn't matter what it is, I get into it). We were playing and I was winning. Then, he "accidentally" pulled that three-move-repetition bullshit which lead the game into a tie. And I actually got pissed. Not upset. Not slightly flustered. Legitimate fucking anger. Over CHESS!!! And it had nothing to do with the fact that I was winning. I could've been about to lose and if it came to that (even though if HE was winning, I bet he wouldn't have said shit about a stalemate cause that's how he is) I wouldn't have tried to have it end in a draw, even though the rules stipulate such an event is to end in a stalemate.

This little incident lead me to the thought: Is it better to end in a stalemate and have everything be all tied up and even, or is it better to just face defeat and walk away a stronger person because you learned that you have to develop more experience?

And, NO. This doesn't just apply to... Board games. God, I can't believe I actually got angry. :ffs:
 
I hate when things ends as a draw too. It's just ridiculously stupid. :ffs:

I'm a very competitive person as well and, I don't like to lose. Whatsoever. But, i'd rather lose then have it end in a stalement. Whats the point of a draw? No one can rub it in the other person's face xD.


But, if you look at it this way, its better to not have gained anything at all then to lost something. Ya know? That's the only thing I can see it being okay but, when it comes to things such as you said chess, there shouldn't be a tie. If there's a tie, do a rematch til someone wins dammit xD That's what I usually do anyway haha.

I cant stand it XD
 
I think having a competitive attitude is healthy, and the more competitive the better, as long as it's tempered with grace. There's nothing worse than a sore loser/winner, but defeat for me should never be accepted as an eventuality. I'm not necessarily referring to defeatism, but why shouldn't you try to be the best at everything you can? That's what life's about at the end of the day.
 
I don't think you should accept or acknowledge defeat at all. If you consider everything a learning experience, then you never really lose. Regardless of the outcome, you win, because you learn something. If you don't achieve victory, then you learn that you need to do things differently the next time so that you can. It's never defeat if you gain something from it.

Defeat is a state of mind. You only lost something - whatever it may be - if you think you did. If you don't think you did, then you didn't.
 
:hmmm:

No one likes to lose, but I think a draw is not such a bad thing.
If to people or teams struggle evenly to point that when the time comes they remain even
I would take that as a sign of true competitiveness.

Because if you only focus on the winning and not the journey you took to get there
its just as hollow as a loss and you gain nothing by it, look at the NBA 82 games a season and then 4 rounds of best of 7 games.

Only yo have it end in a draw? I dont think so, thats why rules are in place in those kinds of sports to prevent it.

Take cricket ab horrible game for draws!:rage:
Upto 5 days on the field for a draw, WTF is the point?

I am very competitive myself and I dont like to lose either.
Never throw a hissy fit before tho, in competition who wants to play against
a whiny little bitch, but in casual things like gaming and Backyard cricket Im a beast
and take it a bit far, not when I lose just coz Im playing a game that i like.

Um Chess:srsly:?
 
GalaxyFlare said:
I am very competitive myself and I dont like to lose either.
Never throw a hissy fit before tho, in competition who wants to play against
a whiny little bitch, but in casual things like gaming and Backyard cricket Im a beast
and take it a bit far, not when I lose just coz Im playing a game that i like.

Um Chess:srsly:?
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I've never gotten angry at losing either. I just don't like ties. I don't like all my hardwork being outmanuevered and matched by (in this case) a fucking technicality. And, do they win for using said technicality. No, they don't. Which makes the rule useless. If I lose to someone who's not as good at something as I am. Fine. It's bound to happen, and when I'm faced with the possibility of defeat, it makes the situation more intense and enjoyable. I love a challenge. And if I lose, then I know what I have to do to be better and I just walk away with my head up. But when something ends in a draw, especially in the situation I'm referring to, it's annoying to no end.

And, yeah. Chess. I'll say it again: I get into ANY competitive activity I'm playing. I get pumped no matter what is. Whether it's football, soccer, or (and I'm not joking) Bingo.
 
I'm stubborn, I simply refuse to lose, I don't care whether it's sport down to some sort of debate. I will literally attempt to find every loophole or flaw within someone's argument and try to prove my own point. I don't get angry when I lose, in fact if I do it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I just simply hate the thought of losing. :wacky:
 
I'd rather take defeat. While I am not really that competitive, I do can see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that you'd rather either win or lose instead of actually having a tie with someone. At least if you know you won/lost you can think about what you did and how to improve on it. However a stalemate rarely happens so as long as it's not really common, having one or two shouldn't be a big deal. :P
 
I'm usually pretty okay with that sort of thing.

I don't care if someone else beats me or if I tie with them at anything we're doing. I'm just not a competitive person.

The only time I get annoyed is if it's something I know I'm exceptionally good at and know that it's the only thing I could have a chance at beating anyone at. then I get a little cheesed off because I know I could never have chance at winning against them at anything else. XD Though I don't show it. I don't want to stir up a fuss over nothing. >.<
 
First let me say I'd rather win and I have no problem with losing BUT if there is a chance to bring the other guy down I would.

I'd rather have a draw then lose. In a game of chess when things are going wrong why not end in a stalemate? You both walk away as equals.

If a person is a good chess player they should be able to stop the stalemate before it happens.

I'm a big chess player and I win often but when I'm about to lose or winning seems impossible I'll cause the stalemate.

Again I don't hate losing I just prefer the idea of waking away as an equal to the idea of walking away as a loser.
 
I'm competitive when I want to be. I'm not usually bothered if I win, lose or draw. What I hate the most though is when you could have won something easily but you miss the chance that you needed. For example: When I played Final Fantasy IX, I could have beat the Final Boss at my first attempt, but I had to select the wrong command and get myself killed. That is what I find irritating.
But, it is better to draw than to lose. Personally, I find that you learn from your mistakes better when you lose.
 
Who cares? Honestly its fine getting competative over sport and other things like that because without that fire it just wouldnt be the same when it comes to competition. But getting worked up and upset over losing or the thought of losing is sad. Your not a toddler. Deal with it.
 
Personally I don't care. :lew: I'm the kind of person who plays a game for fun, rather than to win. It doesn't quite give me that raw edge some competitive people would have, but it doesn't make me a worse player than them.

But honestly? I prefer to lose than draw. I won't get particularly angry over either, but I prefer to see something end conclusively rather than in a stalemate which will only mean a restart in most situations :wacky:
 
I play to win, but if I can't, I'll make it a fucking draw. :mokken: I true gentleman takes no prisoners. :griin: I simply don't like losing, and I've been known to make damned near impossible comebacks from just about anything. It's what I do. :ryan:
 
I'm not very competitive, anyways I guess I'll cover the three states of victory here, winning, not winning, and co-winning(?) Also considering fencing is one of the few things I do competitively, I'll be drawing on that a lot.

Winning: Winning is pretty ace I guess, it makes you feel good because you just did better at something than some one else. After that initial high though I feel embarrassed, and I don't know what to say to the other person. If I laud their abilities too much I'm afraid I'll look arrogant, as if I still beat them despite how good they were. Or If I am too self-deprecating that I'll be insulting them even more.

Co-Winning(?): I don't mind drawing as long as we both tried our hardest, I think it's cool in a way that we are of equal ability, because then later on you can measure how much you've grown against that person. In fencing though sometimes the referee calls a point, and fencers are somewhat expected to argue the point. Instead though I always defer the point, because I have no interest in getting points like that even times I'm certain it was my point.

Not Winning: Once again like co-winning(?) it depends on what my opponent is like, if they try their all and win I don't mind. If I lose to someone so much better than me that they don't even have to try is what irritates me the most, it's as if they don't see me worth bothering with. Other than that I don't care, even if the winner gloats and they barely beat me.

Also I am curious, does anyone see drawing as both people losing rather than both winning?
 
I can kind of see how perhaps it might be more healthy to take the defeat. However I would go with the stalemate. Basically if you want to win, then choosing to lose is a bad habit. A stalemate might give you more motivation coming into the next game (unless you work opposite of that).
 
Thats right! you wouldnt choose to lose overtly when faced with the possibility, certainly there is something to be gained from all 3 outcomes WIN/LOSE or DRAW, Winning is a feeling you would like to achieve a again the saying " you are only as good as your last victiory" comes to mind(soon followed by hunger)

Losing offers time for reflection and learning on the lowest level of the fundamentals of your chosen game/sport this is where the most improvement can be gained. Stoicism is very underrated.

Draw, can be a deflating feeling, but stills offers some time for reflection and time for contemplating the fact that you really didnt lose either.
 
I don't consider a draw as having any contrast with winning or losing. In my mind, a draw is the gap between them. You get no loss or benefit.
A real draw is something that isn't agreed on willingly. Otherwise, a draw would be to alleviate the probable loser.
Of course, i like to win. I dislike draws just as much as losing, though. You still get that 'sinking' feeling.
 
I LOVE TO WIN :rage:

I am competitive, I was raised that way by my dad and I will compete in almost anything and if I do not win something that i am taking seriously I will get grumpy :hmph: I don't care if it's childish or anything :mokken:

I don't like to lose at video games and verbal arguments the most out of anything. I wont let something go until I either win at it or we tie. If someone beats me at a video game I'll challenge them til I win at least once and then I will stop and never play again so I am the last one to win. /smug.

I guess you could call me a brat when it comes to this kind of thing, but I don't care :griin:
 
Wow, this thread brought so many things into my head. The two most notable are...

The recent storyline between John Cena & The Rock. Cena couldn't accept the fact that he lost at Wrestlemania last year to Rock. This year, they had a rematch, and Cena won. He didn't accept his defeat. He was obsessed with defeating The Rock.

Second is this girl I used to know called Marisol. She and I used to make sure we did good. If I wrote 3 papers, she did 4. Then, I'd do 5. It just kept going like that. Neither of us wanted to get defeated by the other. So I guess I can say I'm competitive.

I'd like to quote a wrestling legend.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."

:lew: I like to win, but I don't care if I lose either.
 
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