[01/09] Lightning Returns: FFXIII Makes Major Changes to the Series’ Formula, Ends Trilogy

[Abstract Debauchery]

I'm really annoyed they gave away the ending to this FFXIII-3 game by saying it's a happy ending
shut your fucking spoiler mouth. Some people want to play the game and see what happens without having any kind of idea of it. Why don't they just tell us frame for frame what happens? They might as well...not that I'll play the game coz I wont but I think it's pretty dodgy of them to give away what kind of ending it will be...

HANK KNOWS
HANK KNOWS
HANK KNOWS

Spoiler

HANK KNOWS

Please tell me that I just fucked your day up.

 

[Squid]

I'm just shocked you didn't write 'nose' instead of 'knows'!

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Reading one of the above posts, wishing bankruptcy on a company is pretty horrible. Is this what people are reduced to?

Two times in a row you referred to me. Instead of doing tht why dont you go post about the subject at hand.
Have something to say to me go send me a VM

I love ppl tht bitch about the ppl tht bitch

Im reduced to this. What I have to say has nothing to do with other people whatever their agreements are or disagreements. Next time quote me please.


EDIT:
To be on topic:

Eidos saved SE ass thats a fact. Im gonna buy Tombraider and might get Hitman. Heard good things about Sleeping dogs might get tht one too.

Wada stated after Type0 was done they would work on Versus next or release tht one next. I dont think his words was taken out of context. He just lied his ass off. Major Changes to Final Fantasy formula I don't like. Im not nostalgic but this direction is way off imo. I wont support it.

FF is dead to me now. Hopefully when Type0 gets localised it will probably be my last ff title. Boycotting FFXIII universe since day one.

I hope it flops I really do!

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

I'm just shocked you didn't write 'nose' instead of 'knows'!

You have no idea how tempted I was. S'all good, man.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

Not interested.Square-Enix has abandoned the traditionalists who were with them for years.They have a huge asian market.

 

[Nocturne]

Ah, apologies. I worded it really badly there. I've not actually touched Guild Wars 2 - just pointing out that it was also attempting something a bit more world driven, if I understood the "dynamic events" correctly (as vaguely as I glanced over the information pertaining to them). I can see how in the post it might come across as me slating Skyrim and GW2, but no, I wasn't. LR: FFXIII however, way too ambitious for what it is. I doubt it will end too well.

I definitely agree that there is a weird dichotomy going on in Square. They are a fantastic publisher, particularly with the output from their Eidos arms (love Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex, Just Cause 2, etc.), yet at the same time, almost chaotic, clueless, oblivious, inefficient and dare I say, out of their minds thanks to the other side of the company. It's somewhat of a phenomenon.

And Tri-Ace lost my favour when they churned out Star Ocean 4. It has to be one of the worst written games of this generation in my opinion, with the worst cast of characters ever conceived by man. However, not even they deserve to be doing chores for Square-Enix (if they are working on this game too). =/

This really isnt a direct shot at you, since I see alot of people do it and am more commenting on the mindset, but seriously, you lose all hope in a company if they put out one mediocre game? That's insanely harsh. No company, especially one as old as SE is going to have every game be a gem. Star Ocean 4 really did have a horrible cast and writing, but the gameplay itself was great. It wasnt a TOTAL failure.

 

[Razberry Knight]

This really isnt a direct shot at you, since I see alot of people do it and am more commenting on the mindset, but seriously, you lose all hope in a company if they put out one mediocre game? That's insanely harsh. No company, especially one as old as SE is going to have every game be a gem. Star Ocean 4 really did have a horrible cast and writing, but the gameplay itself was great. It wasnt a TOTAL failure.

not really....SE is using that one mediocre game as the best thing ever. Delaying great potential games such as FFtype0 localization, FFX HD and Versus XIII for the sake of the lightning saga and FFXIV.

Regardless, i belive SE should focus on the "new" aspects they introduced back in the day.

 

[Nocturne]

not really....SE is using that one mediocre game as the best thing ever. Delaying great potential games such as FFtype0 localization, FFX HD and Versus XIII for the sake of the lightning saga and FFXIV.

Regardless, i belive SE should focus on the "new" aspects they introduced back in the day.

You do realize, I was talking about Star Ocean 4 right? Square Enix is more than just FFXIII, even though you wouldnt believe it. My whole point is, it's stupid to throw away faith in a company over 1 game. Not even a horrible game at that.

Would I love to see Type 0, yes. Would I love to see Versus? Yes. FFX HD I couldnt care less. I'd get it if it came out, but it isnt on the top of my list of wants considering I've played the game multiple times.

What do you mean by "new" aspects back in the day? Turn based gameplay? You can put the blame on the gaming community for that going away. Whether you liked the games or not, one cannot say that SE hasnt continued to try new things with their franchises.

And FFXIV, from what people are saying, is turning out to look rather good. Yeah, it sucked initially, but people felt the same about FFXI as well. I heard so much bitching about it, then all of a sudden, the last few years, it's seen as one of the best MMORPG's out here.

 

[Razberry Knight]

the "new" things that were "new" back in the day. the stages of FFVII through FFXI. They added a new system to the turn base while still holding true to optimization and customization and even then they still expand the capabilities. Still Star Ocean 4, isn't a true SE title. they only published it.

 

[Nocturne]

the "new" things that were "new" back in the day. the stages of FFVII through FFXI. They added a new system to the turn base while still holding true to optimization and customization and even then they still expand the capabilities. Still Star Ocean 4, isn't a true SE title. they only published it.

Oh please, Star Ocean was always associated with Tri Ace and Enix and now Enix is part of Square, thus it is a SE game along with Tri-Ace. Dont try to BS your way out of it just because your opinion of SE isnt high at this moment.

You mean the "new" things they are doing with Lightning Returns: FFXIII? Evolving the battle system, adding in customization which seems like a step above what FFX2 did for the battle system of FFX, as well as adding in new elements not seen in a Final Fantasy game before? Sounds to me like they are doing a pretty damn good job of trying to create new additions to the series.

 

[Squid]

You still want final fantasy to feel like a final fantasy though when people were asking SE to improve their games and add new things to it, they didn't mean change the whole Genre from RPG to an action game (Starring lightning....)... also no one wants ANOTHER FFXIII game...besides a tiny handful

Also, I didn't feel like crisis core was an FF game imo. I found it a bore. So there's no way I want another game like that being made haha. FF games are RPGs. Things that make them FF games are turn based battles, beautiful worlds, fantastic characters and a really great story... FFXIII, all three of them, have none of these things (except maybe a good looking world).

When people ask for something new from SE, when talking about FF games, we mean we want a new FF game that follows the forumla of the old ones, the old ones which everyone loved and no one had any problems with... No one bitched about SE until FFXIII came out and that's because all the games have been amazing until now... and for some odd reason they think making two sequels to their least loved game is a fantastic idea. They're clearly sniffing petrol and snorting cocain before each SE board meeting....

 

[.Mosh]

Oh please, Star Ocean was always associated with Tri Ace and Enix and now Enix is part of Square, thus it is a SE game along with Tri-Ace. Dont try to BS your way out of it just because your opinion of SE isnt high at this moment.

You mean the "new" things they are doing with Lightning Returns: FFXIII? Evolving the battle system, adding in customization which seems like a step above what FFX2 did for the battle system of FFX, as well as adding in new elements not seen in a Final Fantasy game before? Sounds to me like they are doing a pretty damn good job of trying to create new additions to the series.

You know I feel like your the only other person here that supports LR:FFXIII and S-E in general besides me. I agree with you on every level to be honest of what your saying. Some of the new mechanics that are being introduced like action based combat we have seen before in Kingdom Hearts people. Oh and if I recall VersusXIII the gameplay that was shown back then was movement whilst in combat slashing in the air and what not, it just had more menus then button assignments.

The multiple playthrough concept to me doesn't bother me either, I sit and enjoy games like Mass Effect a lot that take up that amount of time. But we don't know how they are doing it. You could die and start again but with your same stuff and new quests and places open up within the world and the decisions you done before are altered and what not. You see we have not been told anything in concrete yet nor backed up by visual presentation. Yes your only her in battle so that makes it no different in terms of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 yes there was more than one member but you only 'Controlled' one?

FFXII you controlled one person as well while the others were following a gambit system to fight foes. All these little niggle bits that people are getting at are uneccesary, god she can hang off ledges and sneak now. Better then back in FFVII where you have to walk slowly to leave Aeirths House and in FFXII where you 'Walk' to get around the palace. I mean giving it more realism is a crime...somehow.

Some people are just boycotting it even though they haven't even played FFXIII or FFXIII-2, just from a reviewer/reader perspective which is disappointing. I am a long time Final Fantasy fan since 1996 I started. Yes it isn't like the classics anymore, but classics eventually get replaced, I wouldn't want each FF to be like the past. Otherwise I'll go and bloody play COD for re-using the same stuff over and over. It's called evolution and I feel the FFXIII series was designed to see which direction the people want to go and then improve upon it. To me open world and world driven gameplay are the next best way to go for JRPGS.

Now please watch this and tell me that the combat system displayed there is any different to what has been described for this game (Minus the menus which have been said to feature only a tad but instead of moving in menus I feel that Versus will go the way LR: FFXIII has and it would make it easier with that sort of movement to associate a button attack/magic spell that way. Also you can see the back flipping, air time etc mentioned in LR:FFXIII.​

 

[charliepanayi]

When people ask for something new from SE, when talking about FF games, we mean we want a new FF game that follows the forumla of the old ones, the old ones which everyone loved and no one had any problems with... No one bitched about SE until FFXIII came out and that's because all the games have been amazing until now... and for some odd reason they think making two sequels to their least loved game is a fantastic idea. They're clearly sniffing petrol and snorting cocain before each SE board meeting....

Every FF game since FFVIII has been greeted on release (or before release) with a chorus of 'this is the worst FF ever! It sucks!' etc. And it's nonsense to say nobody bitched about SE until FFXIII, I remember people slating FFXII for instance. This is the internet, some people will always bitch. As for 'what people want from an FF game', frankly this reminds me of that scene in The Simpsons when they ask kids what they want from the cartoon Itchy and Scratchy, and the kids respond enthusiastically to every suggestion, even when some of them contradict one another. You ask people what they want from FF and you'll just get a lot of vague answers. You say people want FF to be like it always was. I guarantee if SE had stuck to the formula used in the first nine FF games or so, people would have started complaining that they were rehashing the same thing over and over.

 

[Squid]

Well I must be pretty amazing then because I've not bitched about a single ff game until after I played them (besides 13-2/3)

 

[Linnaete]

This really isnt a direct shot at you, since I see alot of people do it and am more commenting on the mindset, but seriously, you lose all hope in a company if they put out one mediocre game? That's insanely harsh. No company, especially one as old as SE is going to have every game be a gem. Star Ocean 4 really did have a horrible cast and writing, but the gameplay itself was great. It wasnt a TOTAL failure.

Understandable position, and I don't disagree with you on that. However, to expand on what I feel about Tri-Ace: no, I've not lost all hope in them. A company can lose my favour, but it doesn't mean I will boycott their games from here on forth until the end of time because they committed the cardinal sin of creating Edge Maverick. It's the realisation that crikey! that developer you thought could do no wrong has just made this thing?! I'm open minded enough to believe that Tri-Ace can drop that ridiculous act they had during the development of Star Ocean 4 and come back with something that doesn't make me roll my eyes so far back that they dislocate from the sockets.

Come to think of it, I still need to play Resonance of Fate. I've heard that's a much better game than their last couple of attempts.

And Crisis Core bored the heck out of me. To this day, I still can't work out why it's so popular and highly acclaimed. Seriously, LR: FFXIII has the easy job here of not sucking like Crisis Core.

 

[.Mosh]

Lightning Returns:Final Fantasy XIII will be the last FFXIII game

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII will be the last game set in the Final Fantasy XIII universe. While the games announcement during PAX noted that the game would wrap up the story of Lightning, it wasn’t clear what that meant for the future of other characters. Could there still be a Final Fantasy XIII-4 telling the story of Snow or Noel? In an interview with IGN, Lightning Returns director Motomu Toriyama has now confirmed that this will not be the case, and Lightning Returns will indeed see the end of XIII’s entire story.

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[Lirael]

Good to hear that Lightning Returns will provide us with the FINAL ending to the XIII series! I'm a little less pessimistic now.

I like the fact this world is essentially what's left of Gran Pulse. It sounds as though chaos doesn't consume reality immediately. Instead it's unstable, which means the world is always at risk. Thus far, the world has survived.

Crossed fingers they bring back Noel, Sahz, Caius and Yeul!

 

[kratoscar2008]

Come on people the game has "VERSUS" on it so its not meant to be compared to a FF game while LR is supposed to be part of the main RPG franchise, VERSUS i dont have much interest it because its NOT a main FF game while im still waiting for FFXV but instead we have another game staring the worst character in the franchise (SE even admitted that she sucks when said "Lightning will be a more refined person"). The fun thing here is that VERSUS has MUCH more FF feel than LR.

 

[Nocturne]

Come on people the game has "VERSUS" on it so its not meant to be compared to a FF game while LR is supposed to be part of the main RPG franchise, VERSUS i dont have much interest it because its NOT a main FF game while im still waiting for FFXV but instead we have another game staring the worst character in the franchise (SE even admitted that she sucks when said "Lightning will be a more refined person"). The fun thing here is that VERSUS has MUCH more FF feel than LR.

You do realize Versus has been said to be what they want to make Final Fantasy into correct? So Id say comparing it to a Final Fantasy title of the main series is a pretty good option.

Understandable position, and I don't disagree with you on that. However, to expand on what I feel about Tri-Ace: no, I've not lost all hope in them. A company can lose my favour, but it doesn't mean I will boycott their games from here on forth until the end of time because they committed the cardinal sin of creating Edge Maverick. It's the realisation that crikey! that developer you thought could do no wrong has just made this thing?! I'm open minded enough to believe that Tri-Ace can drop that ridiculous act they had during the development of Star Ocean 4 and come back with something that doesn't make me roll my eyes so far back that they dislocate from the sockets.

Come to think of it, I still need to play Resonance of Fate. I've heard that's a much better game than their last couple of attempts.

And Crisis Core bored the heck out of me. To this day, I still can't work out why it's so popular and highly acclaimed. Seriously, LR: FFXIII has the easy job here of not sucking like Crisis Core.

Ok, that makes more sense. It came off to me as "Tri Ace is dead" and boycotting, but I understand. Definitely play Resonance of Fate. I poured a ton of time into the game, over 90 hours. Review sites said the story sucked, which was utter BS, but they were right about the gameplay. It's phenomenal.

Star Ocean 4 (though its actually not part of the series, its an alternate beginning) was pretty bad. Edge was a horrible main character and most of the voice acting was awful (Which is surprising since the remakes of 1 and 2 had good voice acting). But people pretty much despised 3 as well due to the ending.

 

[Nightfade]

The gameplay is simply fantastic, to be honest. The "menu" system is pretty simplistic; not overly done with tons of sub-menus, from what I just watched. I remember seeing some gameplay similar to this some time ago. Maybe it was this one, or another. I remember the "Behemoth" in the streets, though.

If the gameplay system in LR is anything like this, then I give it some more props, but my stance isn't changing quite yet.