[01/08] New Final Fantasy XIII game has entered production

[.Mosh]

I came across this article just now in my routine gaming news round up. IGN posted up the story which can be read here:

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Here's a snippet from the article for those who don't want to read it

'In this week's Famitsu, producer Yoshinori Kitase said that the new project only recently entered production and that we'd find out the game's title on September 1.
While it's not much, the news that the game hasn't been worked on for long lends credence to the idea that we could be about to see Final Fantasy XIII-3.

When it was first revealed that new series details were incoming, many fans were hoping they may in some way relate to the long-absent Final Fantasy Versus XIII, but unless you count 2006 as "recent", it appears we can now rule this out.'

As we all know we had this concept in our heads of 'it is going to happen whether we like it or not' towards this outcome. For me I would like the story to be concluded, I didn't hate the games I thought they were good games, however they were just to much of a departure from the core game play and story telling we had experienced in the past.

Who knows maybe they have further listened to fan feedback and make FFXIII-3 if this is the case an even better game dear I say it? We'll have to wait for their show to find out.

 

[Nocturne]

Hmm, every other place has said it's a new game in the Lightning Saga. Yeah that more than likely means its FFXIII-3, which is completely fine by me. But it also could be something different. Plus with them saying they just started work on it, I doubt it will be out anytime soon.

 

[.Mosh]

Hmm, every other place has said it's a new game in the Lightning Saga. Yeah that more than likely means its FFXIII-3, which is completely fine by me. But it also could be something different. Plus with them saying they just started work on it, I doubt it will be out anytime soon.

To be honest if it has entered production...it could be anything from a year and a half to two years, but I presume when it enters production all concept and story elements including game play ideas are already on the drawing board ready to be implemented. But yer at first I thought it was going to be a 'Lightning Saga' instalment but this states otherwise. Maybe this is hinting at Lightning back as the main protagonist which I would welcome back very much.

 

[Gabe]

I have a feeling this September 1st thing will be devoted to a Final Fantasy XIII-3 explosion with like a 2 minute trailer that shows a surprisingly finished-looking game.

... Unlike the Versus XIII that's been in production for more than half a decade, now.

 

[Martel]

...what a bunch of fucking retards.

How in the name of everything sacred they can devote a saga to a bland, one-dimensional character like Lightning blows the mind. Even Kratos in the God of War franchise has more depth to his personality than Lightning does, and he had two emotions to speak of: rage, and greater rage. Lightning doesn't even have that. I don't even know what word one would use to describe Lightning's so-called "character" because not even apathy fits; it's not even a lack of character. She's the living personification of a black hole. Yes, I am painfully aware of the fact that there are other characters around her, but they have absolutely zero chemistry, and what little personality they DO have makes me wish they were all like that abominable shemale. And they want to devote a saga to this? What the hell is going through their minds? Do they even HAVE minds anymore?

Yes, I know, XIII-2 wasn't finished, XIII-3 is needed for closure, blah blah blah, whatever. Here's the point: XIII-2 should never have been made in the first place. Anyone who tells me that FFXIII didn't have a conclusive ending clearly never watched the ending properly; XIII-2 was the most painful excuse for a continuation I've ever seen. It was an absolute abomination. It wasn't needed. Whether you like it or hate it, there is no denying that it wasn't needed. FFXIII ended. Just like FFX ended, and FFXII ended. Case closed, end of story, world saved. FFXIII-2 added nothing to FFXIII, and was little better than a fucked-up side story in which Serah gets a boyfriend who looks more her age (and acts it too) and the developers got an excuse to play about with popular Western gameplay mechanics, writing off their clear lack of thought into what passed as the story as the doings of a time paradox, just so they didn't have to explain it.

I don't care if it could be something else; anything FFXIII related, with Lightning in it, is almost certainly going to be atrocious; the chances that Square Enix will develop a proper video game and not a convoluted mess are so astronomically slim they're not really worth mentioning. In fact, if it IS a spinoff of sorts, that's even worse, because I can just see this becoming like bloody Kingdom Hearts...or worse, the compilation of FFVII.

I don't see how things can possibly get any worse than XIII-2, but then, I couldn't see how things could possibly get any worse than XIII. Underestimating the stupidity of Square Enix seems to be proving to be quite costly. No wonder people are saying the JRPG genre is dead...if I didn't know of proper JRPGs out there, I'd be inclined to think the same thing...

Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

It's the same way they still come up with ideas for Cloud. Cloud and Lightning are the two same characters both in design and personality. They have the depth of a puddle and people eat that kind of shit up. SE is desperate for cash right now and are willing to beat a dead horse for a bit longer to get it. When people say that the age of the JRPG is dead and present SE as proof, it's very hard to argue against them. This is a damn joke. I'm going to go mod Skyrim some more.

 

[NeoTesseract]

...what a bunch of fucking retards.

How in the name of everything sacred they can devote a saga to a bland, one-dimensional character like Lightning blows the mind. Even Kratos in the God of War franchise has more depth to his personality than Lightning does, and he had two emotions to speak of: rage, and greater rage. Lightning doesn't even have that. I don't even know what word one would use to describe Lightning's so-called "character" because not even apathy fits; it's not even a lack of character. She's the living personification of a black hole. Yes, I am painfully aware of the fact that there are other characters around her, but they have absolutely zero chemistry, and what little personality they DO have makes me wish they were all like that abominable shemale. And they want to devote a saga to this? What the hell is going through their minds? Do they even HAVE minds anymore?

Yes, I know, XIII-2 wasn't finished, XIII-3 is needed for closure, blah blah blah, whatever. Here's the point: XIII-2 should never have been made in the first place. Anyone who tells me that FFXIII didn't have a conclusive ending clearly never watched the ending properly; XIII-2 was the most painful excuse for a continuation I've ever seen. It was an absolute abomination. It wasn't needed. Whether you like it or hate it, there is no denying that it wasn't needed. FFXIII ended. Just like FFX ended, and FFXII ended. Case closed, end of story, world saved. FFXIII-2 added nothing to FFXIII, and was little better than a fucked-up side story in which Serah gets a boyfriend who looks more her age (and acts it too) and the developers got an excuse to play about with popular Western gameplay mechanics, writing off their clear lack of thought into what passed as the story as the doings of a time paradox, just so they didn't have to explain it.

I don't care if it could be something else; anything FFXIII related, with Lightning in it, is almost certainly going to be atrocious; the chances that Square Enix will develop a proper video game and not a convoluted mess are so astronomically slim they're not really worth mentioning. In fact, if it IS a spinoff of sorts, that's even worse, because I can just see this becoming like bloody Kingdom Hearts...or worse, the compilation of FFVII.

I don't see how things can possibly get any worse than XIII-2, but then, I couldn't see how things could possibly get any worse than XIII. Underestimating the stupidity of Square Enix seems to be proving to be quite costly. No wonder people are saying the JRPG genre is dead...if I didn't know of proper JRPGs out there, I'd be inclined to think the same thing...

Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

I was about write a very long argument exposing the insultingly bland, spit-to-the-face, frivolously convoluted, piece of shit that Final Fantasy XIII is along with its entire Nova Cristallis story branch... but you captured my thoughts and expressed them in language beautiful to behold. Thank you very much


I would seriously buy you dinner sometime.

 

[Nocturne]

...what a bunch of fucking retards.

How in the name of everything sacred they can devote a saga to a bland, one-dimensional character like Lightning blows the mind. Even Kratos in the God of War franchise has more depth to his personality than Lightning does, and he had two emotions to speak of: rage, and greater rage. Lightning doesn't even have that. I don't even know what word one would use to describe Lightning's so-called "character" because not even apathy fits; it's not even a lack of character. She's the living personification of a black hole. Yes, I am painfully aware of the fact that there are other characters around her, but they have absolutely zero chemistry, and what little personality they DO have makes me wish they were all like that abominable shemale. And they want to devote a saga to this? What the hell is going through their minds? Do they even HAVE minds anymore?

Yes, I know, XIII-2 wasn't finished, XIII-3 is needed for closure, blah blah blah, whatever. Here's the point: XIII-2 should never have been made in the first place. Anyone who tells me that FFXIII didn't have a conclusive ending clearly never watched the ending properly; XIII-2 was the most painful excuse for a continuation I've ever seen. It was an absolute abomination. It wasn't needed. Whether you like it or hate it, there is no denying that it wasn't needed. FFXIII ended. Just like FFX ended, and FFXII ended. Case closed, end of story, world saved. FFXIII-2 added nothing to FFXIII, and was little better than a fucked-up side story in which Serah gets a boyfriend who looks more her age (and acts it too) and the developers got an excuse to play about with popular Western gameplay mechanics, writing off their clear lack of thought into what passed as the story as the doings of a time paradox, just so they didn't have to explain it.

I don't care if it could be something else; anything FFXIII related, with Lightning in it, is almost certainly going to be atrocious; the chances that Square Enix will develop a proper video game and not a convoluted mess are so astronomically slim they're not really worth mentioning. In fact, if it IS a spinoff of sorts, that's even worse, because I can just see this becoming like bloody Kingdom Hearts...or worse, the compilation of FFVII.

I don't see how things can possibly get any worse than XIII-2, but then, I couldn't see how things could possibly get any worse than XIII. Underestimating the stupidity of Square Enix seems to be proving to be quite costly. No wonder people are saying the JRPG genre is dead...if I didn't know of proper JRPGs out there, I'd be inclined to think the same thing...

Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

While I think the majority of this post is extremely melodramatic and a rant fest that has little to no footing, I do agree we actually didnt need a FFXIII-2. Well, at least not the direction it went in. FFXIII did have good closure and ended well. I figured if a sequel was made, it would have been about rebuilding the world and you do get a little of that in FFXIII-2 but not in the way I expected, especially with all the time travel.

It's the same way they still come up with ideas for Cloud. Cloud and Lightning are the two same characters both in design and personality. They have the depth of a puddle and people eat that kind of shit up. SE is desperate for cash right now and are willing to beat a dead horse for a bit longer to get it. When people say that the age of the JRPG is dead and present SE as proof, it's very hard to argue against them. This is a damn joke. I'm going to go mod Skyrim some more.

Also, more melodrama. Saying Cloud is one dimensional is just plain wrong. He's a fairly complex character. Growing up with aspiration in a military force, losing your best friend/mentor, only to take on the persona of said mentor and live his life for him since he cant. Ultimately it screwed himself up, along with being experimented on, and then he finally comes out of his shell and starts to be himself, realizing he can go on and do his best for the world and his friends, along with himself. That's a fairly complex character and more than what I can say for Lightning.

The JRPG is dead thing is sad. It's comments like this that hurt the genre. Lets choose one RPG series that has had a mediocre game over the last what, 7-10 years, and apply to the entire JRPG genre. Smart, way to keep the unwarranted, baseless claims coming. Yet in the same breath, play a game like Skyrim which hasnt changed up the basic formula of the western RPG for the entire cycle and more. My god what the gaming media has instilled in people.

To be honest if it has entered production...it could be anything from a year and a half to two years, but I presume when it enters production all concept and story elements including game play ideas are already on the drawing board ready to be implemented. But yer at first I thought it was going to be a 'Lightning Saga' instalment but this states otherwise. Maybe this is hinting at Lightning back as the main protagonist which I would welcome back very much.

I would think along these lines too. I would at least hope that all the story, art, etc are already thought of and worked out. Development time could definitely take that long. Truthfully, I really dont know where they will go after FFXIII-2. I doubt some characters will actually stay dead (which I wish would since it shows that struggle was actually needed to progress) and considering what happened at the end and the secret end, Im lost as to where a sequel will pick up. It's scary, yet exciting at the same time.

 

[Martel]

While I think the majority of this post is extremely melodramatic and a rant fest that has little to no footing, I do agree we actually didnt need a FFXIII-2. Well, at least not the direction it went in. FFXIII did have good closure and ended well. I figured if a sequel was made, it would have been about rebuilding the world and you do get a little of that in FFXIII-2 but not in the way I expected, especially with all the time travel.

Wow, that's the most backhanded compliment I've ever seen. Good job. xD
You just disagree with me for the sheer hell of it

Also, more melodrama. Saying Cloud is one dimensional is just plain wrong. He's a fairly complex character. Growing up with aspiration in a military force, losing your best friend/mentor, only to take on the persona of said mentor and live his life for him since he cant. Ultimately it screwed himself up, along with being experimented on, and then he finally comes out of his shell and starts to be himself, realizing he can go on and do his best for the world and his friends, along with himself. That's a fairly complex character and more than what I can say for Lightning.

Where in the bloody hell did you get all THAT from? Certainly not Cloud, that's for sure. Those things might have happened, but his character never actually CHANGES because of it. He, like Lightning, remains a static, blank slate whilst events unfold around him...although in Lightning's case, the events were more "let's run from place to place!" than actual events. Character development does not equate to storyline progression. It never has, it never will. The storyline is complex; the character remains the same blank slate. It is quite possible, and you would do well to learn to distinguish between the two. There is a reason why "characters" and "story" are separated in a lot of fan reviews.

I suppose it comes down to individual interpretation, but that is mine, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. If you don't like it, that's just tough shit; you have no real grounds to call it baseless just because you don't share it. You go on and on about how people can't accept differences in opinion; maybe you should practice what you preach before you directly insult people just because they don't agree with His Most High And Exalted Nocturne, Undisputed Lord and Master of Square Enix News of FFF, no?

...yes, I know this applies to me as well. The difference between us is that I've always been willing to admit it, and I don't start on people unless they start on me first. YOU seem to think you're the second bloody coming sometimes, and that we should all kneel before you and agree with everything you say, because you're the only one without "baseless" claims, or whatever.

The JRPG is dead thing is sad. It's comments like this that hurt the genre. Lets choose one RPG series that has had a mediocre game over the last what, 7-10 years, and apply to the entire JRPG genre. Smart, way to keep the unwarranted, baseless claims coming. Yet in the same breath, play a game like Skyrim which hasnt changed up the basic formula of the western RPG for the entire cycle and more. My god what the gaming media has instilled in people.

Actually, it's games like FFXIII that hurt the genre, and one of what is considered the pioneers of the genre doing their utmost to destroy it with nothing but trash. Counting games Square Enix has published as their own achievements (which I know is something you like to do) is just plain stupidity; Square Enix aren't even remotely capable of developing a masterpiece like NieR, or anything else that they've published recently. They had nothing to do with it. They're just leeching off the success of other developers who actually know what they're doing; it's not like someone else wouldn't have published it if they hadn't. They can take no credit at all. Whether we like it or not, it is to Square Enix that a lot of people who are ignorant about the JRPG genre actually look to, and they're giving us nothing but utter shit. It's no wonder people think the genre is dead. It isn't, by any means - not as long as Gust, Monolith Soft and Nippon Ichi Software exist, at least, to name but three - but these aren't as well known.

Although I will agree with you about Skyrim, which is essentially Oblivion with better graphics and better mods. Which does make it more fun, but hardly unique.

I strongly urge you to look the word "hypocrisy" up in the dictionary. You might learn a thing or two.

Anyways, I'm done. Have a nice day now, and don't waste your time replying; I shan't read it, I can only take so much from this section at the moment, and I think your post just pushed me past my capacity for hypocrisy

I was about write a very long argument exposing the insultingly bland, spit-to-the-face, frivolously convoluted, piece of shit that Final Fantasy XIII is along with its entire Nova Cristallis story branch... but you captured my thoughts and expressed them in language beautiful to behold. Thank you very much


I would seriously buy you dinner sometime.

Oh, you're quite welcome. Maybe I'll take you up on that somewhen

 

[.Mosh]

Wow, that's the most backhanded compliment I've ever seen. Good job. xDYou just disagree with me for the sheer hell of it Where in the bloody hell did you get all THAT from? Certainly not Cloud, that's for sure. Those things might have happened, but his character never actually CHANGES because of it. He, like Lightning, remains a static, blank slate whilst events unfold around him...although in Lightning's case, the events were more "let's run from place to place!" than actual events. Character development does not equate to storyline progression. It never has, it never will. The storyline is complex; the character remains the same blank slate. It is quite possible, and you would do well to learn to distinguish between the two. There is a reason why "characters" and "story" are separated in a lot of fan reviews. I suppose it comes down to individual interpretation, but that is mine, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. If you don't like it, that's just tough shit; you have no real grounds to call it baseless just because you don't share it. You go on and on about how people can't accept differences in opinion; maybe you should practice what you preach before you directly insult people just because they don't agree with His Most High And Exalted Nocturne, Undisputed Lord and Master of Square Enix News of FFF, no?...yes, I know this applies to me as well. The difference between us is that I've always been willing to admit it, and I don't start on people unless they start on me first. YOU seem to think you're the second bloody coming sometimes, and that we should all kneel before you and agree with everything you say, because you're the only one without "baseless" claims, or whatever.Actually, it's games like FFXIII that hurt the genre, and one of what is considered the pioneers of the genre doing their utmost to destroy it with nothing but trash. Counting games Square Enix has published as their own achievements (which I know is something you like to do) is just plain stupidity; Square Enix aren't even remotely capable of developing a masterpiece like NieR, or anything else that they've published recently. They had nothing to do with it. They're just leeching off the success of other developers who actually know what they're doing; it's not like someone else wouldn't have published it if they hadn't. They can take no credit at all. Whether we like it or not, it is to Square Enix that a lot of people who are ignorant about the JRPG genre actually look to, and they're giving us nothing but utter shit. It's no wonder people think the genre is dead. It isn't, by any means - not as long as Gust, Monolith Soft and Nippon Ichi Software exist, at least, to name but three - but these aren't as well known.Although I will agree with you about Skyrim, which is essentially Oblivion with better graphics and better mods. Which does make it more fun, but hardly unique. I strongly urge you to look the word "hypocrisy" up in the dictionary. You might learn a thing or two.Anyways, I'm done. Have a nice day now, and don't waste your time replying; I shan't read it, I can only take so much from this section at the moment, and I think your post just pushed me past my capacity for hypocrisy Oh, you're quite welcome. Maybe I'll take you up on that somewhen

Well I do agree you are quite melodramatic at times and don't take this offensively but I havent seen much positivity from you as a forum poster as of late. We all know you hate FFXIII etc but others don't and yes there are some with you that would support your claim but them games don't bother me, they are far better then that rubbish which FFX-2 was.

However back to topic, I can't wait for the next one so we can finally get closure to the franchise. I like lightning as a character and she's better then that of like Vaan who is actually a pointless person. FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were successful meaning of course they would warrant a sequel. If it didnt do well they wouldn't have made FFXIII-2, which I enjoyed more than FFXIII. Anyways we will see what it is, and maybe they have listened even more to the fans and brought about the best product they have made for the FFXIII franchise.

 

[Martel]

Well I do agree you are quite melodramatic at times and don't take this offensively but I havent seen much positivity from you as a forum poster as of late. We all know you hate FFXIII etc but others don't and yes there are some with you that would support your claim but them games don't bother me, they are far better then that rubbish which FFX-2 was.

I give credit when credit is due, and only then. There is a very pertinent reason I have been sparing with even slight positivity recently: there is no reason to be positive. I don't see how this can be anything other than a bad thing. That isn't melodrama; that's a simple statement of the truth as I see it. Everyone uses description to illustrate their point; I don't see how mine are any different to someone who says "This is going to be really awesome!" or something similar, other than I'm a bit more eloquent than that, which is probably why it always seems to be me that people single out. But it's all over exaggeration. Or not. It depends on your view.

I acknowledge that there are people who like these games; I have no problem with it. People like what they like. I don't blatantly insult people on this forum for liking these things (unless I'm drunk, but let's just pretend that never happened) unless they start on me first; if I did, I would have been banned long before now. But I'm not going to keep quiet for their sake when they refuse to keep quiet for mine; it works both ways, it isn't one rule for those who don't like it and another for those that do; all opinions are equal no matter which way they swing. I can deal with it; it seems to be other people who can't deal with me and others who dislike these things, and as far as I'm concerned, that is their problem, and not mine.


Anyway. I forget how many times I've said something to that effect when people have decided it's a free-for-all against me in the news section. Ironically, it's probably the only time people never pay me even the slightest bit of attention, so I don't know why I bother. Whatever. Back to the topic at hand.

That they're not specifying it's XIII-3, which is all but a certainty at this point, makes me wonder if this isn't a random spinoff, or a "2.5" game, as such. Maybe on one of the handheld consoles. I would hope that Square Enix learned their lesson with XIII-2 in that you cannot develop a proper video game in less than a year, so perhaps they're scaling back and making something smaller, to keep the fans satisfied. Who knows.

 

[Omegadruid]

Although personally I disagree that there should be a sequel to a rather unpopular game(I never played it I dont even know if I like it) but the fans who actually liked the XIII series deserve story closure. Therefore I dont really mind if they are doing this unless they keep their heads on the long awaited projects . @Juliet Starling - You might be right sometimes but why I think people, including myself feel the need to argue with you its because you are constantly "whining, bitching, moaning and complaining". We already know what you think of the subject at hand as you have stated it in previous threads. You dont to constantly be saying the same thing. Also it gets rather annoying to see that all you post are just complaining. Like .Mosh said, a little positive thinking at times might be good(for that avoid topics in which you will complain and moan).

 

[Martel]

Although personally I disagree that there should be a sequel to a rather unpopular game(I never played it I dont even know if I like it) but the fans who actually liked the XIII series deserve story closure. Therefore I dont really mind if they are doing this unless they keep their heads on the long awaited projects . @Juliet Starling - You might be right sometimes but why I think people, including myself feel the need to argue with you its because you are constantly "whining, bitching, moaning and complaining". We already know what you think of the subject at hand as you have stated it in previous threads. You dont to constantly be saying the same thing. Also it gets rather annoying to see that all you post is complaining. Like .Mosh said, a little positive thinking at times might be good(for that avoid topics in which you will complain and moan).

And I already know what certain people think of the prospect of FFXIII-3, or a continuation of the franchise. Tell me; you're allowed to repeat your opinion over and over in different threads in different words and I'm not...why, precisely? Because your view is generally positive and mine isn't? As I said, it doesn't work that way. I KNOW there are people who like it, and they are constantly voicing their support for it; more so than I voice my own opinions, because I only come back to a thread if someone decides to call me out, or if additional news is posted in it, or sometimes if someone makes a good point. But I, unlike you and others, don't constantly call supporters out over it, asking them to be less positive just because I don't like it or something. Whatever reason you people are running with to try and have me metaphorically strung up and burned as a witch.

When Square Enix give me reason to be positive, I will be positive. I think a lot of people forget that I supported FFXIII against critics before I played it; I gave it every opportunity to impress me. I have more than sufficient reason to be negative. About the only positive thought I can have right now is "it can't possibly get any worse" because XIII-2 really was bottom of the barrel. But expecting an improvement is not something I am prepared to do until I'm given substantial evidence to support that. It's that simple, really. I can't see how this warrants a third game; why they couldn't have just wrapped it up in DLC and had done with it. The Lightning DLC should have been the end of it. That they're making ANOTHER game is just ridiculous to me, when there is clear support for other projects - Versus XIII, for example - and when this series has split the fanbase right down the middle. I want to know what the hell is running through their heads.

 

[Omegadruid]

I doubt I repeated my opinion in previous threads. But correct me if im wrong because its the first time I am saying anything about final fantasy XIII as long as I remember. Besides you misunderstoood me, I didnt specifically said for you to be positive in this threads. Perhaps also post on other threads where your input will be a little more positive instead of just posting in final fantasy related sections to "whine, moan, bitch and complain". But hey its just a suggestion. Im not the boss of anyone .

 

[Bones]

Right, first of all, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that much is true.

Anyways, if this is a FFXIII-3 game that's to be released then I'm kinda happy about it, but also kind of bored with it now. Like with the ending to FFXIII-2 I was thinking 'What the Hell?!' It would have been better to just close it off then, but nooooo. And then they added a ton of DLC to expand the story etc. And now if they release FFXIII-3, what was the point in that DLC?! Especially the Requiem of the Goddess one.

If FFXIII-3 was a go, they better make it a game of closure, because to me, it feels that SE are just putting their fans through crap now, and I've been a FF Fan for a long time.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

I cant believe this, bunch of retards @SE im so fucking pissed.
Fuck you Final Fantasy is officially dead to me now. I will miss you FF.


Edit: oh just seen the thread about versus still being in production? Well thenthere is. Still hope for me. As long as versus comes out first.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

Meanwhile at SE HQ:

Also, Skyrim, by itself, is a pretty dull game. It even looks pretty bland. It's nowhere near the quality of Morrowind. Which is why I spend so much time modding it. It makes it a unique experience. No "gaming media" has done or fed me anything. Besides, that silly argument could just as easily apply to anyone else, including yourself.

But as I was saying, that's why I spend so much time modding Skyrim. It makes it unique, I can put my own spin on things, and lastly I CAN BRING THE LAND OF MORROWIND INTO SKYRIM AND RELIVE MY OLD ADVENTURES.

Now, if only I could edit the shit out of FFXIII and make it less shit, but that's impossible. Then again, continuing down this particular path is a completely different argument alltogether. As usual, Martel just went and posted everything I wanted to say. The prick.

 

[Exoskeleton]

Why everyone is defending and attacking a game that isn't directly stated as being FFXIII-3 is beyond me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I personally don't care for XIII or XIII-2 and would most likely ignore XIII-3 altogether. To be honest the story line of the whole "Lightning" series was seriously fucked up when they decided to make a sequel of XIII. I actually enjoy Martel's posts opposing this series. They can be brutal at times but it saves me the energy of posting the same thing and are often times filled with my opinion of the series. Besides a little debate(without insults) can be fun!

I kind of hated how obvious that a 3rd game was going to come to the series after watching the ending of XIII-2. It really shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone. Like, the ending of that game was just a cliff hangar obviously hinting that more would come later, possibly with more time travel ... I honestly did not expect the XIII universe to be dealing with time travel. So when XIII-3 Does come out I'll do the only logical thing I can think of: ignore it.

 

[Nocturne]

Wow, that's the most backhanded compliment I've ever seen. Good job. xD
You just disagree with me for the sheer hell of it


Where in the bloody hell did you get all THAT from? Certainly not Cloud, that's for sure. Those things might have happened, but his character never actually CHANGES because of it. He, like Lightning, remains a static, blank slate whilst events unfold around him...although in Lightning's case, the events were more "let's run from place to place!" than actual events. Character development does not equate to storyline progression. It never has, it never will. The storyline is complex; the character remains the same blank slate. It is quite possible, and you would do well to learn to distinguish between the two. There is a reason why "characters" and "story" are separated in a lot of fan reviews.

I suppose it comes down to individual interpretation, but that is mine, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that. If you don't like it, that's just tough shit; you have no real grounds to call it baseless just because you don't share it. You go on and on about how people can't accept differences in opinion; maybe you should practice what you preach before you directly insult people just because they don't agree with His Most High And Exalted Nocturne, Undisputed Lord and Master of Square Enix News of FFF, no?

...yes, I know this applies to me as well. The difference between us is that I've always been willing to admit it, and I don't start on people unless they start on me first. YOU seem to think you're the second bloody coming sometimes, and that we should all kneel before you and agree with everything you say, because you're the only one without "baseless" claims, or whatever.


Actually, it's games like FFXIII that hurt the genre, and one of what is considered the pioneers of the genre doing their utmost to destroy it with nothing but trash. Counting games Square Enix has published as their own achievements (which I know is something you like to do) is just plain stupidity; Square Enix aren't even remotely capable of developing a masterpiece like NieR, or anything else that they've published recently. They had nothing to do with it. They're just leeching off the success of other developers who actually know what they're doing; it's not like someone else wouldn't have published it if they hadn't. They can take no credit at all. Whether we like it or not, it is to Square Enix that a lot of people who are ignorant about the JRPG genre actually look to, and they're giving us nothing but utter shit. It's no wonder people think the genre is dead. It isn't, by any means - not as long as Gust, Monolith Soft and Nippon Ichi Software exist, at least, to name but three - but these aren't as well known.

Although I will agree with you about Skyrim, which is essentially Oblivion with better graphics and better mods. Which does make it more fun, but hardly unique.

I strongly urge you to look the word "hypocrisy" up in the dictionary. You might learn a thing or two.

Anyways, I'm done. Have a nice day now, and don't waste your time replying; I shan't read it, I can only take so much from this section at the moment, and I think your post just pushed me past my capacity for hypocrisy


Oh, you're quite welcome. Maybe I'll take you up on that somewhen

I didnt disagree with you for the hell of it, did you even read what I wrote. I gave a clear reason why. And the Cloud bit you posted is utter BS. He changes completely throughout the course of the game. I dont need you to tell me to learn about the differences between how characters develop and the story develops. Especially when you're the one who obviously can't tell the difference. If you cant see that characters changed and developed in FFVII, I dont want to hear your BS condescending attitude.

There is a difference in having an opinion and giving stupid, sometimes untrue, reasons for saying something is terrible. So far, all I've ever heard you give is petty reasons or just blanket "this game is terrible" remarks rather than a clear explanation that doesnt involve some parallel reality you must have been in when playing the these games.

I have never once said Im the "undisputed" FF news master. Hell, I dont even post 99 percent of the articles. Excuse me if I call the people out who give half assed answers and explanations on why something is so terrible. There is a huge difference between us as you said. Besides the Skyrim comment, I dont think I've ever seen you say something that agreed with a positive remark of a Final Fantasy game. Nor have I even asked anyone to kneel before me, I think that more goes towards you. I hardly even put a condescending tone into my comments, unless someone acts like a smartass when facts are thrown in their face. I look at facts and evaluate a game. If I state my opinion, I clearly label it as such and try to see things from anothers eyes. If their reasoning is "FFXIII is terrible. All you do is walk in a straight line", my remark is, Yeah you pretty much do, but you do so in almost every other game as well, some just cover it up better. It's no reason to say a game is terrible, though I can definitely see why people want more exploration like the old FF games. Your approach to a rebuttal to that is to say how terrible the game is yet again and how god awful SE is in a little rant that rarely gives any specific reasons as to why that is so.

So if anyone needs to lose the condescending attitude it's you, since you obviously have shown you have a nasty, defensive personality when someone calls you out on something and resort to personal insults.

 

[Razberry Knight]

I agree with most of what juliet starling said except for compilation of ff7. I already find ff13 to be worst than kingdom hearts though