[01/08] New Final Fantasy XIII game has entered production

[Starships]

Well to nocturne that he says that XIII is good then i wouldnt take his opinions of games seriously if he likes craps like FFXIII, your my hero FF5 is GREAT but like FF8 is bashed just for not being the next FF4 (Wich i played before 5 and i dont think is that great) wich is as overrated as FF7.

XIII is a lame Sci/fi interactive movie with horrendous gameplay while FF 5 gives us a classic FF setting with great characters my vote goes to Galuf as he endure everything that X-death toss at him while Aerith died with a single Blow i cried more for Galuf than Aerith.

XIII is terrible while FF5 is not the greatest but is very good (My favorite actually) and worth the FF name while XIII is not worth to even call it an RPG.

I agree I don't understand how you can prefer FF XIII over FFV. I just- can't. FF V has good gameplay and is completely nonlinear and has characters that gives the player a emotional grasp towards them, like Gaulf.

Yes agree ! FF XIII feels more like a movie a shallow movie and yes I did cried

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more at Galuf's falling than Aerith. When Aerith died I had a feeling that it was going to happen and it felt too predictable and not shocking like some players say. Here is a young naive girl heading to try and defeat Sephiroth a man who has killed thousands, of course she was going to get killed. It was sad don't get me wrong but it was expected.

However Galuf his death was ten times more tragic because it was sudden and shocking and he did it to save his friends and granddaughter, Aerith had unselfish reasons too but it just felt too expected.

Plus the granddaughter's speech after the tragic event omg just all the tears in the world...

Agree with you I just can't see how you can call a game which has amazing and deep gameplay, a scary ass villain, memorable characters the worst Final Fantasy ever made and call Final Fantasy XIII which had a extremely bland storyline, lack of freedom, dull battle system, and copy and past hero good. I just.... Can't.

^ Listen to this and just feel the power, the fear, the concern and the evil. This powerful song comes from the worst Final Fantasy ever made ? I don't think so !

 

[Omegadruid]

I will not be discussing wether or not FF XIII is better than V as I only played 5 but I can give my input to defend FF V. Tbh final fantasy 3 had a broken job system where few jobs were actually useful.

Final fantasy 5 perfected the job system, It is actually to me the best customization you can have in characters, it gives you so many choices and freedom. In terms of gameplay, final fantasy 5 is outstanding!

Regarding the characters I have to disagree that they are all bland, Lena/Farris/Galuf were well developed and there was actually a good moment of drama in the game! Imo its no final fantasy 4 in the character department but it is not terrible at all (But I give you that, to me Bartz only 2nd to Vaan is the most bland and uninteresting main character in a final fantasy game).

Also I have to concede that Exdeath sucks as a villain but the story itself is actually well thought out and the whole intrigue of how things happened and how the worlds were connected. The story of the world in FF5 is amazing, at times I felt like I was discovering the secrets and misteries of an old advance civilization.

I love the world of final fantasy 5 , the general storyline of the game with some characters well developed, a deep and perfected job system that makes the gameplay of the game being Top notch is what makes this game so great(Better than the first 3 games and XII to me and I dont hate FF XII at all, I actually love it!) but it isnt all great because it has arguably an uninteresting main character and a terrible villain and it suffers from the same problems from earlier final fantasies and that is too many random encounters but to me thats a minor issue when you have so many jobs to test and play with. Unlike final fantasy IV and VI where at times the random encounters felt unbearable. With that My top ff list would be FF 7/10/8-FF4-FF9-FF6-FF5(Almost equal to 6)-FF XII-FF I -FF II - FF III

 

[Omegadruid]

@Ballade I understand how you would think that Exdeath(his music is badass and he is cruel and all) is a very good villain but to me what makes a good villain are motivations! Exdeath has none other than I AM EVIL I DESTROY AND KILL! But the whole idea of how he appeared is actually quite interesting but it was used too many times already! Sins of mankind create evil, thats too used already.
Also Im glad you are back

Oh and gotta love that battle theme!

 

[Nocturne]

Well to nocturne that he says that XIII is good then i wouldnt take his opinions of games seriously if he likes craps like FFXIII, your my hero FF5 is GREAT but like FF8 is bashed just for not being the next FF4 (Wich i played before 5 and i dont think is that great) wich is as overrated as FF7.

XIII is a lame Sci/fi interactive movie with horrendous gameplay while FF 5 gives us a classic FF setting with great characters my vote goes to Galuf as he endure everything that X-death toss at him while Aerith died with a single Blow i cried more for Galuf than Aerith.

XIII is terrible while FF5 is not the greatest but is very good (My favorite actually) and worth the FF name while XIII is not worth to even call it an RPG.

Ah yes, since I like one game you dont, let's not take my opinions on games seriously. How mature of you. Funny thing is, FF8 is my favorite game in the series, which agrees with your whole "It's underrated" jargon.

I've beaten FF5 three times and have done EVERYTHING in that game. Having a cheerful lead didnt work for the game, In FFX, Tidus was a cheerful lead for the most part and it fit well. In FFV, the game took itself like a joke half the time. That's the other big problem I had with it. For what was going on, it was way too lighthearted.

The job system was a carbon copy from FF3. For a game that felt less heavy on story and more on gameplay, this was a shame. Does it mean it was ultimately bad because of it, no, but if you bothered to get my point from my post, for a series that tries to do something new every entry, it was disappointing. The story wasnt exactly the same, but there were similarities in the final bosses main goals, which is what I said.

I do take back saying it's the worst though. I would rather play it than 1, 2, or 3 overall but that's mainly because (besides 2), the characters werent fleshed out at all, and the stories lacked for the most part. But I'd say it comes in close after those. Granted that's all opinion. To say FFXIII isnt even worth of being called an RPG is a gross exaggeration and sounds more like you are the one who has jumped on the hate train bandwagon against the game. I've said time and time again that it isnt perfect but isn't terrible.

But then biased parties like yourself come in and act like I say it's the second coming of all gaming.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Ah yes, since I like one game you dont, let's not take my opinions on games seriously. How mature of you. Funny thing is, FF8 is my favorite game in the series, which agrees with your whole "It's underrated" jargon.

I've beaten FF5 three times and have done EVERYTHING in that game. Having a cheerful lead didnt work for the game, In FFX, Tidus was a cheerful lead for the most part and it fit well. In FFV, the game took itself like a joke half the time. That's the other big problem I had with it. For what was going on, it was way too lighthearted.

The job system was a carbon copy from FF3. For a game that felt less heavy on story and more on gameplay, this was a shame. Does it mean it was ultimately bad because of it, no, but if you bothered to get my point from my post, for a series that tries to do something new every entry, it was disappointing. The story wasnt exactly the same, but there were similarities in the final bosses main goals, which is what I said.

I do take back saying it's the worst though. I would rather play it than 1, 2, or 3 overall but that's mainly because (besides 2), the characters werent fleshed out at all, and the stories lacked for the most part. But I'd say it comes in close after those. Granted that's all opinion. To say FFXIII isnt even worth of being called an RPG is a gross exaggeration and sounds more like you are the one who has jumped on the hate train bandwagon against the game. I've said time and time again that it isnt perfect but isn't terrible.

But then biased parties like yourself come in and act like I say it's the second coming of all gaming.

First FF3 came on NES and FF5 on Snes, FF3 when you choose a JOB (Not talking about the remake as i havent played it) you only get an aditional command and different kind of equipable items and magic and they use some kind of Lv up system in wich the jobs only improve in how many times you can cast magic or hit multiple times.

While in FF5 when you level the job you get an ability from that job and then you can equip it when you are on another job so your black mage can use white magic or Your Melee nut like the monk can use blue magic, and not only that when you equip the ability you receive some stats of the job that the skill is from so when you equip mage based abilities you get increase in magic and Mp. Thats a HUGE improvement, then FF3 DS came AFTER FF5 so the one copying the Job system is FF3 DS (Assuming it uses the same mechanic as FF5), get your Facts straight before jumping in the "Lets hate FF5" Bandwagon.

FF4 has a good story but GENERIC GAMEPLAY wich gameplay is why we play games not for the history, no surprise you like FFXIII, go read or watch movies because games will always be about gameplay first and story second.

I take back of the is not even an RPG, Its not even a DECENT RPG.

You can like a lot of things like for example you like Ice Cream and i like Spaguetti because well its food and there is a lot but if i see someone eanting poo then i have to SERIOUSLY question his opininons
Omegadruid
Kefka is regarded as the best Villain in FF history and what are exactly his motivations? He went nuts and decided that he wanted everything to return to nothingness, I dont really see the difference with Ex-death.

 

[Omegadruid]

kratoscar2008
Well regarding Kefka..Sure its a good point but Kefka wasnt boring and his character was awsome, also he provides more philosofical insight. I used to think that kefka sucked as a villain because he lacked motivation but after reading his background on Ultimania I was pretty satisfied. He also had a troubled childhood, he was abandoned and beaten up and eventually he joined the empire. He had a sort of autistic behaviour and he never had really any significant human connection besides Celes. Also he was experimented on and lost his mind completely. He has reasons to be insane and crazy..His reasons are more believable and the whole "human evil creates exdeath" is boring.

Now.. regarding what you said about gameplay>story.. I have to disagree, when I play a JRPG im looking for story not freaking gameplay. Ofc if it is horrid I wont play it but I will always value the story more. There is not a lot of variety in JRPG'S gameplay and thats not really the point of the genre anyway so thats kind of a bad argument. If it came to gameplay XII is arguably the best in the series.

 

[kratoscar2008]

@kratoscar2008
Well regarding Kefka..Sure its a good point but Kefka wasnt boring and his character was awsome, also he provides more philosofical insight. I used to think that kefka sucked as a villain because he lacked motivation but after reading his background on Ultimania I was pretty satisfied. He also had a troubled childhood, he was abandoned and beaten up and eventually he joined the empire. He had a sort of autistic behaviour and he never had really any significant human connection besides Celes. Also he was experimented on and lost his mind completely. He has reasons to be insane and crazy..His reasons are more believable and the whole "human evil creates exdeath" is boring.

Now.. regarding what you said about gameplay>story.. I have to disagree, when I play a JRPG im looking for story not freaking gameplay. Ofc if it is horrid I wont play it but I will always value the story more. There is not a lot of variety in JRPG'S gameplay and thats not really the point of the genre anyway so thats kind of a bad argument. If it came to gameplay XII is arguably the best in the series.

It doesnt matter, at the time he gets crazy any motivation and rationality goes down the sewer and then he becomes a motivateless villain that only wants to destroy the world for the sake of it, its an Ex-Death section in that Ultimania thing?.

JRPGS are heavy story based BUT is not ENTIRELY story based, until a jrpg comes with Full story and ZERO gameplay AND sell well your argument holds no water whatsoever Visual Novels are the closest thing you will ever have and those games need at least some answers selections to be considered VN (Wich is the gameplay), FFXII had a good story and great gameplay, the characters are the ones that are bland and they dont allow to fully explore the plot but the plot is there and its good, I have 200+ hours in my FFXII playtrought, only FFX comes close with 140+ hours.

 

[Omegadruid]

I didnt say it was entirely story.. I even said that if the gameplay is horrid no matter how good the story is I wouldnt play the game.. And you are really looking for gameplay in JRPGS? They are all almost the same gameplay wise. To me 70% story 30% gameplay, Also if JRPG's are storydriven, they are storydriven, thus story is considerably the most important factor in the game.. But oh well anyone has its tastes and if thats what you value more in a JRPG thats up to you.

Alright now regarding the villain thingy. I also forgot to mention that besides motivations I want the villain to have a good background. Exdeath to me is boring and there is nothing you can say that will change my mind about him. I didnt say in a factual tone that he sucked. I said this based on my personal experience only. If you search in the website final fantasy wiki there is everything about the characters there so maybe you can check out more info on exdeath.

 

[Nocturne]

First FF3 came on NES and FF5 on Snes, FF3 when you choose a JOB (Not talking about the remake as i havent played it) you only get an aditional command and different kind of equipable items and magic and they use some kind of Lv up system in wich the jobs only improve in how many times you can cast magic or hit multiple times.

While in FF5 when you level the job you get an ability from that job and then you can equip it when you are on another job so your black mage can use white magic or Your Melee nut like the monk can use blue magic, and not only that when you equip the ability you receive some stats of the job that the skill is from so when you equip mage based abilities you get increase in magic and Mp. Thats a HUGE improvement, then FF3 DS came AFTER FF5 so the one copying the Job system is FF3 DS (Assuming it uses the same mechanic as FF5), get your Facts straight before jumping in the "Lets hate FF5" Bandwagon.

FF4 has a good story but GENERIC GAMEPLAY wich gameplay is why we play games not for the history, no surprise you like FFXIII, go read or watch movies because games will always be about gameplay first and story second.

I take back of the is not even an RPG, Its not even a DECENT RPG.

You can like a lot of things like for example you like Ice Cream and i like Spaguetti because well its food and there is a lot but if i see someone eanting poo then i have to SERIOUSLY question his opininons
@Omegadruid
Kefka is regarded as the best Villain in FF history and what are exactly his motivations? He went nuts and decided that he wanted everything to return to nothingness, I dont really see the difference with Ex-death.

But it's still the job system. They added a few refinements, but that's essentially it. With FFVII they added limit breaks and the materia system to change how your character develops and fights. In FFVIII they used the junction system as well as going further and making the limit breaks more interactive so you do more than just watch them, FFIX was a throw back and was never paraded as anything but so it makes sense there wasnt much new added, FFX tried an entirely new type of battle system along with full customization of your characters via the sphere grid, FFXII took FFX made the license board and changed the entire battle system up. FFXIII made battles faster (though took away the control of FFXII) and added the whole role switching on the fly and allowed for customizable teams calling for a variety of situations.

I dont see your hate on FFIV (especially since I never once mentioned it in the thread until now) when the gameplay is essentially the same as FFV except you dont get to switch jobs and they are already pre-set. As said before, I dont jump on bandwagons. I look at things logically and take things as they are and make a decision after I've played the game myself. Not what some gaming site or random poster on a forum says about a game to make my decision about a game for me. Nor do I care how much a game sells. If that were the case I wouldnt have played Nier or the Xenosaga series, or half of the RPG's that come out anymore.

RPG's arent just about gameplay - they focus just as much on story. Which is why I play games to begin with. They tell captivating stories. Im much more willing to forgive a mediocre battle system if the story is amazing. If they story sucks and the gameplay is great, I may stick with it, but I'll find it much less enjoyable. Though that all depends on the person playing. Unlike you, Im not going to be childish and say "Go read or watch movies" or saying your opinion is shit.

 

[kratoscar2008]

I didnt say it was entirely story.. I even said that if the gameplay is horrid no matter how good the story is I wouldnt play the game.. And you are really looking for gameplay in JRPGS? They are all almost the same gameplay wise. To me 70% story 30% gameplay, Also if JRPG's are storydriven, they are storydriven, thus story is considerably the most important factor in the game.. But oh well anyone has its tastes and if thats what you value more in a JRPG thats up to you.

Alright now regarding the villain thingy. I also forgot to mention that besides motivations I want the villain to have a good background. Exdeath to me is boring and there is nothing you can say that will change my mind about him. I didnt say in a factual tone that he sucked. I said this based on my personal experience only. If you search in the website final fantasy wiki there is everything about the characters there so maybe you can check out more info on exdeath.

I really look gameplay over story, why do you think i hate FFXIII?

Tales games, Suikoden games, FF games (X mainly), Persona games, Growlanser games. All those games have different gameplay between each other and thats why i love them, the plot is only to help enhance the experience but by the end its the gameplay what keeps a game floating, wheter you buy jrpgs by the story more than gameplay it doesnt change the fact that the gameplay takes precedence over ANY other feature, at least in the eye of the average consumer.

I will look into Ex-death to have a better idea.

 

[Razberry Knight]

I'd argue being a carbon copy is a huge de-evolution for a series that constantly changes and does something new. And 3/4 of the characters in FF5 were bland and uninteresting, as well as the main villain being so boring and uninteresting he became a void/wanted to bring people into a void of nothingness (which surprise surprise, was essentially the same as FF3)

It's limiting because SE and most Japanese developers were struggling with technology. They havent spent as much time on HD since HDTV's etc haven taken off as quickly as they have in the US. The lack of player control you say? There wasnt much control in ANY of the previous games. You stood in a line and chose attack or various kinds of magic. FFXIII provides just as much control, plus an element of switching roles of each character on the fly during battle. FFXII has the most control out of any of the games due to direct movement during battles.

Saying since we didnt get FF3 before FF5 doesnt matter. It still copied almost everything from it.

The change is gradual. Its not the biggest change after another. The problem was ff13 was trying to be a stepping stone. FF13 was a bigger devolution because it limited more than any other ff.

The difference with 12 isnt that they were limiting. They focus on different aspects. Whats the point of atb with paradig. If you cant switch between characters. Struggling with technology isnt a good reason. They chose to aim for something difficult. Rather than slowly get to it. Reason why Se wants next gen so much.

 

[kratoscar2008]

The job system was a carbon copy from FF3. For a game that felt less heavy on story and more on gameplay, this was a shame. Does it mean it was ultimately bad because of it, no, but if you bothered to get my point from my post, for a series that tries to do something new every entry, it was disappointing. The story wasnt exactly the same, but there were similarities in the final bosses main goals, which is what I said.

But it's still the job system. They added a few refinements, but that's essentially it. With FFVII they added limit breaks and the materia system to change how your character develops and fights. In FFVIII they used the junction system as well as going further and making the limit breaks more interactive so you do more than just watch them, FFIX was a throw back and was never paraded as anything but so it makes sense there wasnt much new added, FFX tried an entirely new type of battle system along with full customization of your characters via the sphere grid, FFXII took FFX made the license board and changed the entire battle system up. FFXIII made battles faster (though took away the control of FFXII) and added the whole role switching on the fly and allowed for customizable teams calling for a variety of situations.

You even know what a carbon copy is? It means that EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYTHING is the same, there is no difference to set them apart not in the slightest. By your logic FF4, 5, 6, 7, 8,9,12,XIII havent improved because they use the ATB system and the other things you mention arent enough to set them apart so FFX was the last evolution of the series? Sacrilege!

And you said that FF5 is a carbon copy of 3? Then 6 is from 5, 7 from 6 and so on. FFXIII is the one that devolutioned the genre because it took control from the player as Wada said "Its hard to tell a compelling story when you give too much freedom to the player" thats is BS.

The goal of the villain is the same? 99% of the goal of the villain is either destroy the world, universe, town, continent whatever or Conquer it, wheter is because its fun because humanity deserves it, it doesnt matter is the same so if you dont like that dont play games because you are bound to dissapointment.

I dont see your hate on FFIV (especially since I never once mentioned it in the thread until now) when the gameplay is essentially the same as FFV except you dont get to switch jobs and they are already pre-set. As said before, I dont jump on bandwagons. I look at things logically and take things as they are and make a decision after I've played the game myself. Not what some gaming site or random poster on a forum says about a game to make my decision about a game for me. Nor do I care how much a game sells. If that were the case I wouldnt have played Nier or the Xenosaga series, or half of the RPG's that come out anymore.

So what tittle is exactly that made FF5 a devolution when it comes to story? FF1 i dont think so, FF2 a slight maybe, FF3 obviously not so what other tittle remain that would make you bash FF5 ? .......I know its..... FF4 wich is the VERY reason people bash at FF5.

RPG's arent just about gameplay - they focus just as much on story. Which is why I play games to begin with. They tell captivating stories. Im much more willing to forgive a mediocre battle system if the story is amazing. If they story sucks and the gameplay is great, I may stick with it, but I'll find it much less enjoyable. Though that all depends on the person playing. Unlike you, Im not going to be childish and say "Go read or watch movies" or saying your opinion is shit.

Again no wonder why you love FFXIII, utter shit gameplay with an story that require you to be a bookworm to get interested and at the moment you reply to me you are being as childish as me.

 

[Razberry Knight]

The problem with ff13 compared to the rest is that it couldve been better gameplay wise and story wise. The world is an acid trip. The characters dont have compelling back stories.

Another diference is ff13 was a stepping stone, a revolution to ff. You cant compare ff5 to ff13. Which is why the hate is so strong. Also why people want versus. To be the true stepping stone for ff.

Also ff doesnt change drastically. It changes slowly (up until 13). 7 and 8 had strong similar features. If ff5 came out before ff4 people would be more accepting of ff5. Lets not forget tthe game came later. Its like getting ff1 after ff7. We wouldve hated the heck out of it

 

[kratoscar2008]

The problem with ff13 compared to the rest is that it couldve been better gameplay wise and story wise. The world is an acid trip. The characters dont have compelling back stories.

Another diference is ff13 was a stepping stone, a revolution to ff. You cant compare ff5 to ff13. Which is why the hate is so strong. Also why people want versus. To be the true stepping stone for ff.

Also ff doesnt change drastically. It changes slowly (up until 13). 7 and 8 had strong similar features. If ff5 came out before ff4 people would be more accepting of ff5. Lets not forget tthe game came later. Its like getting ff1 after ff7. We wouldve hated the heck out of it

It wasnt until FF7 that the FF series began to break the previous mold:

FF1: Job System.
FF2: No Job system
FF3: Job System
FF4: No Job system
FF5: Job System
FF6: No job System

As you see the FF series followed a mold wich concisted in offering a classic experience and then something new and that was exclusive from the Nes and Snes era while in FF7 onward it became a new trend wich concisted of enhancing gameplay and story.

So basically ANYONE that says that the FF series has been about experiencing new things (Looking at you Nocturne) since its inception is FULL OF BS.

FF5 ONLY gets bashed because isnt FF4 related.

 

[Nocturne]

I really look gameplay over story, why do you think i hate FFXIII?

Tales games, Suikoden games, FF games (X mainly), Persona games, Growlanser games. All those games have different gameplay between each other and thats why i love them, the plot is only to help enhance the experience but by the end its the gameplay what keeps a game floating, wheter you buy jrpgs by the story more than gameplay it doesnt change the fact that the gameplay takes precedence over ANY other feature, at least in the eye of the average consumer.

I will look into Ex-death to have a better idea.

That's all fine and dandy, but saying whether you buy for the story more than the gameplay and then saying gameplay takes precedence over any other feature, isnt true. Thats where preference comes in. As with what Omegadruid stated, I also play RPG's for the story more than any other aspect. So gameplay wouldnt take precedence for me. But all the other series you mentioned are pretty top notch

 

[Razberry Knight]

That's all fine and dandy, but saying whether you buy for the story more than the gameplay and then saying gameplay takes precedence over any other feature, isnt true. Thats where preference comes in. As with what Omegadruid stated, I also play RPG's for the story more than any other aspect. So gameplay wouldnt take precedence for me. But all the other series you mentioned are pretty top notch

It depends. Compared to other games they didnt show more potential gameplay wise. Story comes girst buteven then that couldve been done in a more original fashion. And the world looks like a koleidascope. Constantly seeing something different.Rpgs also have gameplay that doesnt get tedious. Thats the main issue with 13. It provided the minimal. So gameplay can get in the wah of the pursuit of interedt if it doesnt really engage. That and for such a lacking system for 20+ the person would need an extra ammount of patience and interest.

 

[TheRealTrxd]

Anybody who says Lightning or Cloud have one dimensional personalities have paid almost no attention to those games, the entire point of those characters is that they are more than what they appear to be, and yet some 'fans' just pay attention to their outward stoic style and label them one dimensional. The most obnoxious part of it is these people think they have an uncommon and intelligent opinion.

I'm excited for XIII-3, the gameplay of the original was pretty shit lets be honest, but I enjoyed the story enough to go through it, and I loved every bit of XIII-2! People complaining about having to read in XIII, LMAO, if you're stupid it's not our problem.

 

[Nocturne]

You even know what a carbon copy is? It means that EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYTHING is the same, there is no difference to set them apart not in the slightest. By your logic FF4, 5, 6, 7, 8,9,12,XIII havent improved because they use the ATB system and the other things you mention arent enough to set them apart so FFX was the last evolution of the series? Sacrilege!

And you said that FF5 is a carbon copy of 3? Then 6 is from 5, 7 from 6 and so on. FFXIII is the one that devolutioned the genre because it took control from the player as Wada said "Its hard to tell a compelling story when you give too much freedom to the player" thats is BS.

The goal of the villain is the same? 99% of the goal of the villain is either destroy the world, universe, town, continent whatever or Conquer it, wheter is because its fun because humanity deserves it, it doesnt matter is the same so if you dont like that dont play games because you are bound to dissapointment.




So what tittle is exactly that made FF5 a devolution when it comes to story? FF1 i dont think so, FF2 a slight maybe, FF3 obviously not so what other tittle remain that would make you bash FF5 ? .......I know its..... FF4 wich is the VERY reason people bash at FF5.



Again no wonder why you love FFXIII, utter shit gameplay with an story that require you to be a bookworm to get interested and at the moment you reply to me you are being as childish as me.

Actually, the more freedom you give in a game, the harder it is to tell a compelling story. If you give someone freedom to do whatever you want, the narrative will suffer. That's just common sense.

There you go on your FF4 rant. Did it steal your car or something? You seem to be the only one talking about it.

Also, where did I say I loved FFXIII? No where. I said I thought it was a good game. Not bad, but not great. Talk about getting over emotional.

Ah and so now people who are bookworms are labeled as something derogatory? Wow, you literally stopped discussing the games and are just throwing out all the stops to be a huge jerk. It was all fine when your main point was to discuss the games and your opinions on them but you seriously have spiraled out of control and have shown your true colors. I will no longer be debating a single thing with you again.

I may not see eye to eye with Razberry Knight at times, but at least he/she doesnt resort to insulting anything you may have some small problem with.

Actually the last few posts by Razberry Knight are pretty understandable. He/she has given points of why they dont really care for FFXIII. Which is fine, it doesnt deter from the enjoyment I got from the game and shows why they didnt.

 

[Starships]

Ah yes, since I like one game you dont, let's not take my opinions on games seriously. How mature of you. Funny thing is, FF8 is my favorite game in the series, which agrees with your whole "It's underrated" jargon.

Final Fantasy VIII isn't really underrated compared to the likes of Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy V. FF II suffers because of a different and unique leveling system and FF V gets hate because it just does. FF VIII is not even close compared to the FFII and FF V fanbase.

I've beaten FF5 three times and have done EVERYTHING in that game. Having a cheerful lead didnt work for the game, In FFX, Tidus was a cheerful lead for the most part and it fit well. In FFV, the game took itself like a joke half the time. That's the other big problem I had with it. For what was going on, it was way too lighthearted.

Tidus was annoying and too obnoxious for most FF fans. Tidus's VA didn't do a good job of him and did annoying screams, said silly things and even said things that didn't make sense sometimes. Tidus was annoying, Bartz isn't. Bartz feels like a REAL cheerful character., he may not have the development of Tidus but he feels more human and less annoying.

It's called comic relief and how can you say that FFV doesn't take itself seriously when moments like Galuf's falling happening, Bartz loosing his hometown and Bartz feeling miserable next to a grave ?

Way too lighthearted ? Man we must of played different FFV's because I remember seeing tragic crap like a young girl being tortured while she was screaming while Bartz and the group are paralyzed.

The job system was a carbon copy from FF3. For a game that felt less heavy on story and more on gameplay, this was a shame. Does it mean it was ultimately bad because of it, no, but if you bothered to get my point from my post, for a series that tries to do something new every entry, it was disappointing. The story wasnt exactly the same, but there were similarities in the final bosses main goals, which is what I said.

No No ! SquareEnix did something GOOD they took a well-created and well-working battle system- The Job System and made it BETTER. That should be cheered and celebrated upon. Because of this FFV has amazing and deep gameplay that makes you want to play the for hours. I applaud SE for doing this. They improved the FF3 battle system and made it deeper and better- that is something that should be cheered and clapped for.

Okay ExDeath was the badguy throughout FF V through and through and he caused trouble and pain throughout the game, Dark Cloud is just a woman monster that was summoned by Xande. Xande's goal was to cause darkness throughout the world by summoning DC- ExDeath wanted to cause chaos without calling out a she-monster.

I do take back saying it's the worst though. I would rather play it than 1, 2, or 3 overall but that's mainly because (besides 2), the characters werent fleshed out at all, and the stories lacked for the most part. But I'd say it comes in close after those. Granted that's all opinion. To say FFXIII isnt even worth of being called an RPG is a gross exaggeration and sounds more like you are the one who has jumped on the hate train bandwagon against the game. I've said time and time again that it isnt perfect but isn't terrible.

Final Fantasy I-III were made on the NES when things were limited and it was also almost impossible to create something deep and huge like a Final Fantasy game on that console at least 25 years ago. Of course character development and storyline is going to be limited !

I'm not jumping on any hate-wagon lol. I'm defending a game that doesn't deserve to be thrashed and beaten down. And I and a few others here are just at lost of words on why you beat down on a game that has better character development and better gameplay than a game that you support and think is better- FF XII I

Speaking of FF 1-3 I don't think that they're any worse than FF XIII. Because at least they have better battle system and ten times better gameplay. FF1 gives tons of freedom, something that FF13 doesn't do and control of all your characters and you can even choose and pick what type of characters you want in battle. FF1 is better than FF13 because it gives the game player freedom, choice and that wonderment to explore and discover a whole new world. FF13 ties you down, only gives you control of ONE character and FORCES you in.

Yes I am saying that even FF1 a game that was made on the NES 25 years ago is ten times better than FF 13. Now that is TRUE DE-evolution. A MASSIVE one. Not FF V being the worse Final Fantasy.

But then biased parties like yourself come in and act like I say it's the second coming of all gaming.

Whoa what ? How are we [ the FFV supporters ] being a biased party ? What what ? We're supporting FFV- one of the most underrated FF games next to FF 2 and FF3. I'm supporting a game that people like yourself usually find terrible and complain how bland it is, but instead we find it fresh and improving.

I don't like FF13 or it's sequel but I'm having good reasons why it's bad and not just trying to change the subject or ignore it. FF13 is bad because like said before it focused way too much on graphics and it's appearance like a shallow 13 year old trying to impress a boy. It has a terrible linear world and a battle system that holds you down and doesn't give the player much freedom. Also annoying drama like a TV soap included, and average characters minus a few.

FF13 is bad because it IS BAD. Though if you enjoy it and like the characters then that's fine, but the game is terrible same with it's sequel and SE are wasting their times thinking about making a 3rd title.

FF13 was a bigger devolution because it limited more than any other ff.

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I'm excited for XIII-3, the gameplay of the original was pretty shit lets be honest, but I enjoyed the story enough to go through it, and I loved every bit of XIII-2! People complaining about having to read in XIII, LMAO, if you're stupid it's not our problem.

Okay I really hope that you enjoy Final Fantasy XIII-4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 and wasting your money on pointless DLC like kitty anime ears for Serah. You really need to learn how to troll harder seriously. Oh and enjoy countless cheap in sequels and prequels on the 3DS and Vita which will explain nothing and get nowhere lols.

But you know we are the stupid ones while you go to the gamestore and waste thousands of bucks on future FF XIII games, pointless DLC and spin off titles but you- know we are the stupid ones !

 

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Final Fantasy VIII isn't really underrated compared to the likes of Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy V. FF II suffers because of a different and unique leveling system and FF V gets hate because it just does. FF VIII is not even close compared to the FFII and FF V fanbase.



Tidus was annoying and too obnoxious for most FF fans. Tidus's VA didn't do a good job of him and did annoying screams, said silly things and even said things that didn't make sense sometimes. Tidus was annoying, Bartz isn't. Bartz feels like a REAL cheerful character., he may not have the development of Tidus but he feels more human and less annoying.

It's called comic relief and how can you say that FFV doesn't take itself seriously when moments like Galuf's falling happening, Bartz loosing his hometown and Bartz feeling miserable next to a grave ?

Way too lighthearted ? Man we must of played different FFV's because I remember seeing tragic crap like a young girl being tortured while she was screaming while Bartz and the group are paralyzed.





No No ! SquareEnix did something GOOD they took a well-created and well-working battle system- The Job System and made it BETTER. That should be cheered and celebrated upon. Because of this FFV has amazing and deep gameplay that makes you want to play the for hours. I applaud SE for doing this. They improved the FF3 battle system and made it deeper and better- that is something that should be cheered and clapped for.

Okay ExDeath was the badguy throughout FF V through and through and he caused trouble and pain throughout the game, Dark Cloud is just a woman monster that was summoned by Xande. Xande's goal was to cause darkness throughout the world by summoning DC- ExDeath wanted to cause chaos without calling out a she-monster.



Final Fantasy I-III were made on the NES when things were limited and it was also almost impossible to create something deep and huge like a Final Fantasy game on that console at least 25 years ago. Of course character development and storyline is going to be limited !

I'm not jumping on any hate-wagon lol. I'm defending a game that doesn't deserve to be thrashed and beaten down. And I and a few others here are just at lost of words on why you beat down on a game that has better character development and better gameplay than a game that you support and think is better- FF XII I

Speaking of FF 1-3 I don't think that they're any worse than FF XIII. Because at least they have better battle system and ten times better gameplay. FF1 gives tons of freedom, something that FF13 doesn't do and control of all your characters and you can even choose and pick what type of characters you want in battle. FF1 is better than FF13 because it gives the game player freedom, choice and that wonderment to explore and discover a whole new world. FF13 ties you down, only gives you control of ONE character and FORCES you in.

Yes I am saying that even FF1 a game that was made on the NES 25 years ago is ten times better than FF 13. Now that is TRUE DE-evolution. A MASSIVE one. Not FF V being the worse Final Fantasy.



Whoa what ? How are we [ the FFV supporters ] being a biased party ? What what ? We're supporting FFV- one of the most underrated FF games next to FF 2 and FF3. I'm supporting a game that people like yourself usually find terrible and complain how bland it is, but instead we find it fresh and improving.

I don't like FF13 or it's sequel but I'm having good reasons why it's bad and not just trying to change the subject or ignore it. FF13 is bad because like said before it focused way too much on graphics and it's appearance like a shallow 13 year old trying to impress a boy. It has a terrible linear world and a battle system that holds you down and doesn't give the player much freedom. Also annoying drama like a TV soap included, and average characters minus a few.

FF13 is bad because it IS BAD. Though if you enjoy it and like the characters then that's fine, but the game is terrible same with it's sequel and SE are wasting their times thinking about making a 3rd title.



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Okay I really hope that you enjoy Final Fantasy XIII-4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 and wasting your money on pointless DLC like kitty anime ears for Serah. You really need to learn how to troll harder seriously. Oh and enjoy countless cheap in sequels and prequels on the 3DS and Vita which will explain nothing and get nowhere lols.

But you know we are the stupid ones while you go to the gamestore and waste thousands of bucks on future FF XIII games, pointless DLC and spin off titles but you- know we are the stupid ones !

Again you are my hero, you shouldnt take him seriously he obviously loves the take that FFXIII did as he AGREES WITH WADA in every way possible. He showed me that people just hate the game just because the sake of it and for not "surpassing" FF4 wich is OVERATED.

People want more story and thats fine but Gameplay is the thing that will never be overlooked and for that im thankful to FFXIII it showed that you must NEVER take control from the player.

I will deal with your last post later Nocturne.