[01/08] New Final Fantasy XIII game has entered production

[Razberry Knight]

I agree with most of what juliet starling said except for compilation of ff7. I already find ff13 to be worst than kingdom hearts though.

 

[Starships]

Martel may be negative but she has the right to be. She is postive with the SE games she likes example Final Fantasy XII so she doesn't really loathe everything that SE was made and created. She isn't going around insulting SE and their games just because. Even if she did hate FF XII too; she would still have that right too. Everybody has the right to dislike and like things. Even if the comments are always negative; debating is good if it's done well and doesn't cause heated fights or insults and debates with Martel are always on a leveled and matured head. So personally I don't see the issue here.

I've debated with Martel twice. About FF XII being a terrible game or not and FF IX also whether it's a terrible game or not. Debates are good if you're both on a level head. Martel will be level if you're level. Which makes perfect sense. Martel believes that FFXII is good, FF IX is slow and terrible and that Kuja is a bad villain while however I believe that FF XII is dreadful, FF IX is amazing and Kuja is one of the best villians ever to grace the Final Fantasy series since Kefka. We agree to disagree and it's fine. We both have that right too.:dave:

About FF XIII-3 it's a stupid idea not because whether FF XIII and FF XIII-2 are good games or not but because it's so un-needed. SquareEnix ended FF XIII well when it first came out and it's sequel was un-needed. But instead they brought out FF XIII-2 and while it was good at first it slowly twisted into a messy game with a mess of a storyline. I do admit that I loved FF XIII-2 at first but then it just slowly turned into rubbish as soon as the final battle was over; maybe even before that.


I have a feeling that FF XIII-3 isn't going to be the end either. SquareEnix is going to branch out the series until the FF13 fanbase get tired of the game themselves. SquareEnix have realized that fans are going to buy anything these FF 13 games and are going to play the games until they see the end of Lightning and the others. The FF 13 fanbase get their games and SE gets their cash. Seems like a fair deal.

However even though the FF13 Fanbase want and enjoy these games. I can't help but feel that they're just pieces on the chess board. I mean you're buying $ 80- 100 games + un-needed DLC just to find out nothing and get costumes that not really move the game along. Though SE are laughing to the bank each time somebody buys a White Mage Serah costume and more; because it gives them money.

It isn't really right. It sounds like something Capcom would do these days. Square used to make decent games and sometimes they're branch off the games but it was pretty rare and they would give the players good solid games. Good story, good character development, good music. Good everything that was worth your money. Square these days makes a game that is average and then makes more.

It seems like we're all fools though. Doesn't make sense ? Square makes a crappy game. Square knows this; they made it on purpose. Though some players like it that's okay. Square makes a sequel that Square knows what the players really want and so players will buy this thinking that Square is back on track; then the give it a crappy ending so they can make a 3rd title and therefore make more money.

Yes that makes sense. We have all been Square's puppets since 2008. I'm not calling FF13 horrible but you can bet your bottle of soda that there's going to be more FF13 games than just FF13-3 making SE more money.

I'm not mad or angry at the FF13 games you can like whatever you like; everybody is different. I'm more angry at SE and how they're treating their fans and supporters.

 

[Tucker]

OH MY FUCKING BLAGGERDIFBLUGBOO Can you please just give me Versus and then start working on FF15? I am so sick of all this other random stuff and little hints at what is to come and avoiding direct answers I just want my Noctis, that is all I want. And if SE really DOES make another FF13, I am going to pass out I know if it comes out I will just ignore it, but simply knowing it is there and that the story continues bugs me!

I now end my small rant

 

[Artemisia]

Could it be that SE simply cannot come up with any more new FF universes and storylines and therefore are simply sticking with what they've been building up already? FFXIII has extensive lore and mythology that was barely touched upon in the original game, and only one figure was expanded upon in XIII-2 (Etro). The world of Gran Pulse is huge, and there is great potential for another stand-alone game in the FFXIII universe - I think this is why everyone is so disappointed with the non-emergence of Versus...there are more stories to be told than simply Lightning's. If they took the Fabula Nova Crystallis franchise in the way they originally intended - several installments of seperate stories and characters within the same universe - I think the feedback would be more positive. Now they've changed that into the "Lightning Saga" which immediately seperates the fan base into those who like Lightning as a character and those who don't, leading to threads like this one.

 

[Linnaete]

Ah, this thread. It's unfortunate that I haven't been popping in as often as I used to in the past, but it's fabulous to see that the charm of the place has been preserved.

What I like about this uhh, poorly-executed "announcement" of an event that will probably feature an "announcement" of a game is how they say the game has just recently entered production, yet they're going to announce it in a month anyway. It's that classic Square-Enix symptom of trigger happy game announcements, except this time, expect apathy on a level that even FFXIII-2 probably couldn't even comprehend, and another sign that they're likely to just rush this out. I mean, what else can you possibly do to fill out a whole new game, assuming they're going to finally finish this incoherent mess of a 'story'*? They should just slash the RRP by half when this hits the shelf, but then I remember that this is Square-Enix.

*that's story with inverted commas. Other Square-Enix games with the pleasure of having inverted commas around the word "story" include Kingdom Hearts and The 3rd Birthday

Meanwhile, I still can't work out why Lightning is so venerated and adored enough that an entire series of game is now named solely after her, and christened a "saga", when she's not even the one single and most crucial pillar of this entire circus. Heck, even FFXIII-2 at times forgot about her. You actually want to know what I think? I genuinely think Serah is the better protagonist. I kid you not. Sure, Serah isn't my idea of a fantastic character either, but there's more to her than Lightning's depth of a playground puddle.

Meanwhile, Dragon Quest X Online has been released in Japan and a large chunk of the consumers is loudly slamming the game for being an MMO (you know, that genre with a very limited popularity and following in Japan) that requires a monthly subscription fee on top of the pricey RRP for a copy of the game itself, is on the Wii for now - a hugely fussy experience to have any MMO experience on, as you need a 16GB memory stick as well - and just looks clunky as heck. You know when even a lot of Dragon Quest loyalists have lost faith and trust in you, Square, you know you've been making some utterly dreadful decisions this generation.

 

[Steve-Dave]

I would welcome that back too. I just hope she is a knight like she was in XIII-2.

 

[Nocturne]

Could it be that SE simply cannot come up with any more new FF universes and storylines and therefore are simply sticking with what they've been building up already? FFXIII has extensive lore and mythology that was barely touched upon in the original game, and only one figure was expanded upon in XIII-2 (Etro). The world of Gran Pulse is huge, and there is great potential for another stand-alone game in the FFXIII universe - I think this is why everyone is so disappointed with the non-emergence of Versus...there are more stories to be told than simply Lightning's. If they took the Fabula Nova Crystallis franchise in the way they originally intended - several installments of seperate stories and characters within the same universe - I think the feedback would be more positive. Now they've changed that into the "Lightning Saga" which immediately seperates the fan base into those who like Lightning as a character and those who don't, leading to threads like this one.

I think they have plenty of ideas, I just think with games costing so much to make right now, SE is afraid, and possibly unable to with their current engine, to put out a brand new game within a reasonable amount of time. They could start a new entry now on the FFXIII engine and take 3-4 years for it to come out and by that time, the successors to the 360 and PS3 will already be here. With the luminous engine, it gives them the ability to work on next gen games, and more than likely they have already started. Now since they have alot of assets with FFXIII already in place, they can pump out a new game to finish things up with half the money and time investment.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Oh SE you really dont learn do you? Well its not surprise to some that i loathe FFXIII and its sequel and its paradigm shit but now im really okay with it if they want to keep killing the legacy that both Squaresoft and Enix settle then be my guests, before FF was everything for me when it came to rpgs but now are other games like Suikoden and Persona that had filled the void that FF left and so i dont care what happens to SE anymore i had little fate that this company would wake up but i guess that was stupid from my part, so by all means keep commiting Hara-Kiri because well the gaming world really doesnt needs you anymore SE.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Well look at all that XIII hate!

I'll be a spectacular hypocrite if I rag on any of you for your opinions. Which you are all entitled to have. But I feel the need to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that it's sad to see some people get nasty over them.

BUT aside from that, I will admit I genuinely liked XIII and XIII-2. I liked the story, the gameplay, the characters.(Bar Snow) and I will not hesitate to buy XIII-3. Unless it's really that bad. I personally felt that both XIII and XIII-2 had more pros than cons and that it's been getting some Unnecessary hate. But once again, that is your opinion.

All in All, I liked XIII/-2 and I will be getting XIII-3 and that I think the games are getting too much hate but that's your opinion so I can't do anything about it. (>'.')>

Now that I'm done beating a dead horse with opinions. I will be off. Cheerio~

 

[Razberry Knight]

Well look at all that XIII hate!

I'll be a spectacular hypocrite if I rag on any of you for your opinions. Which you are all entitled to have. But I feel the need to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that it's sad to see some people get nasty over them.

BUT aside from that, I will admit I genuinely liked XIII and XIII-2. I liked the story, the gameplay, the characters.(Bar Snow) and I will not hesitate to buy XIII-3. Unless it's really that bad. I personally felt that both XIII and XIII-2 had more pros than cons and that it's been getting some Unnecessary hate. But once again, that is your opinion.

All in All, I liked XIII/-2 and I will be getting XIII-3 and that I think the games are getting too much hate but that's your opinion so I can't do anything about it. (>'.')>

Now that I'm done beating a dead horse with opinions. I will be off. Cheerio~

There are a lot of cons and once you consider all of them, then you can see the issue.

Personally i felt it had no form or consistency within the world. It simply wasnt a world i comprehend. Like i been saying. The game is an acid trip.

Ithe sequel did a 180 but lacked in story. The mythos was barely relevant. Only etro seems to be the feature. If ff13-3 comes. I hope it becomes the end.

 

[Nocturne]

There are a lot of cons and once you consider all of them, then you can see the issue.

Personally i felt it had no form or consistency within the world. It simply wasnt a world i comprehend. Like i been saying. The game is an acid trip.

Ithe sequel did a 180 but lacked in story. The mythos was barely relevant. Only etro seems to be the feature. If ff13-3 comes. I hope it becomes the end.

Now here, when you explain your reasoning, I definitely see your point. I actually agree with these points. The first game's world did lack exactly that: Consistency. I think the mythos and the world/characters/gods/ect, have alot of potential and backstory (which there are some things explained in the encyclopedia, but you kind of have to go digging for it) which could be very interesting. But they rarely go into it and focus on other things which makes it feel like you arent getting the whole picture.

As you said with XIII-2, the story lacked. I think once again, I would have liked to see how everything developed, the new societies and technology, and what was going on with the world. It would have made for a very interesting political and societal struggle if they wanted it to. I can sort of understand why you had it focused on Etro since alot of the gods were destroyed or mindless at this point in history, though some still did exist.

Nonetheless, I still enjoyed the games. They arent the best in the series but they arent horrible either. I also hope, if FFXIII-3 comes, it's the end. I dont see what they could do beyond a third game.

 

[AuronX]

Final Fantasy XIII is one of the few cases where I think IGN's video review got it spot-on.

"If you're looking for a great JRPG, look no further...just don't expect it to be the best of the Final Fantasy name."

This I agree with completely, and it doesn't lessen my enthusiasm over XIII and XIII-2 at all. If I only played perfect games, I'd have a very, very small library. Every game has its cons, and the larger a series gets, the more chance for cons it has because things have been done in so many different ways already there is much to compare to. Players develop preferences for one system over another, especially considering how many hours they can spend with some FF titles.

So yes, it's true: XIII, XIII-2, and the potential XIII-3 are not perfect games.

That does NOT mean they are automatically worthless games. Accept them in the way that IGN did and you'll enjoy them. Endlessly moan about the few things the games actually do lack and suddenly you'll have only contempt for the whole thing.

 

[Nocturne]

Final Fantasy XIII is one of the few cases where I think IGN's video review got it spot-on.

"If you're looking for a great JRPG, look no further...just don't expect it to be the best of the Final Fantasy name."

This I agree with completely, and it doesn't lessen my enthusiasm over XIII and XIII-2 at all. If I only played perfect games, I'd have a very, very small library. Every game has its cons, and the larger a series gets, the more chance for cons it has because things have been done in so many different ways already there is much to compare to. Players develop preferences for one system over another, especially considering how many hours they can spend with some FF titles.

So yes, it's true: XIII, XIII-2, and the potential XIII-3 are not perfect games.

That does NOT mean they are automatically worthless games. Accept them in the way that IGN did and you'll enjoy them. Endlessly moan about the few things the games actually do lack and suddenly you'll have only contempt for the whole thing.

Great post. I feel the same way. I come to expect highs and lows from the FF series. They try new things essentially every time so they are bound to have some really great ideas and some not so great ones. Plus I try to enjoy games the best I can since it's my favorite hobby.

 

[Razberry Knight]

Personally its the worst in ff....its the only series that seems lost and not know what it is.

It may not be bad but have we seen worst in the ff evolution? Im saying no.

 

[Nocturne]

Personally its the worst in ff....its the only series that seems lost and not know what it is.

It may not be bad but have we seen worst in the ff evolution? Im saying no.

Worse? I'd say FF5 is the worst. It was essentially a carbon copy of 3 with a different, but still horribly mediocre story. At least with FFXIII they tried something different.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

Some could argue II was the worst with it's rather unorthodox leveling system. And some might say X-2 was the worst. People were certainly saying that before XIII came out. Prior to XIII, X-2 was the most hated. And then XIV came out and that bombed horribly. But hopefully the second version will be better.

So it really is a matter of opinion.

 

[Razberry Knight]

Worse? I'd say FF5 is the worst. It was essentially a carbon copy of 3 with a different, but still horribly mediocre story. At least with FFXIII they tried something different.

Ff5 is at least tolerable and stays true to ff given the current time. The carbon copy of ff3 gameplay isnt bad nor devolution in ff timeline.

Just because ff13 tried to do something diffrent but it also remived what makes a good rpg.


I can forgive the limiting gameplay, the lack of world interactivity, half of the characters being annoying and having no unique aspects that are likable. I can forgive it all if i knew what i was looking at half the time. Scratch that. 20+ of pure linearity would kill me either way. Its like thegame was meant to be limiting. To the lack of exploration, to the lack of player control during battle, it all looks like the game was meant to have players give it 30% effort for 20+ hours.

Im asking which was a bigger let down? As the series moves on the expectation gets higher. So i dont think Ff5 is the worst in the sense that it was the biggest dissapointment. It was still interesting and ff5 came before ff3 internationally. So theres no room for us to use carbon copy of ff3. And copying that isnt a bad thing. However ff13 although tried to be different it also limited more than what ff5 failed.

 

[Nocturne]

Ff5 is at least tolerable and stays true to ff given the current time. The carbon copy of ff3 gameplay isnt bad nor devolution in ff timeline.

Just because ff13 tried to do something diffrent but it also remived what makes a good rpg.


I can forgive the limiting gameplay, the lack of world interactivity, half of the characters being annoying and having no unique aspects that are likable. I can forgive it all if i knew what i was looking at half the time. Scratch that. 20+ of pure linearity would kill me either way. Its like thegame was meant to be limiting. To the lack of exploration, to the lack of player control during battle, it all looks like the game was meant to have players give it 30% effort for 20+ hours.

Im asking which was a bigger let down? As the series moves on the expectation gets higher. So i dont think Ff5 is the worst in the sense that it was the biggest dissapointment. It was still interesting and ff5 came before ff3 internationally. So theres no room for us to use carbon copy of ff3. And copying that isnt a bad thing. However ff13 although tried to be different it also limited more than what ff5 failed.

I'd argue being a carbon copy is a huge de-evolution for a series that constantly changes and does something new. And 3/4 of the characters in FF5 were bland and uninteresting, as well as the main villain being so boring and uninteresting he became a void/wanted to bring people into a void of nothingness (which surprise surprise, was essentially the same as FF3)

It's limiting because SE and most Japanese developers were struggling with technology. They havent spent as much time on HD since HDTV's etc haven taken off as quickly as they have in the US. The lack of player control you say? There wasnt much control in ANY of the previous games. You stood in a line and chose attack or various kinds of magic. FFXIII provides just as much control, plus an element of switching roles of each character on the fly during battle. FFXII has the most control out of any of the games due to direct movement during battles.

Saying since we didnt get FF3 before FF5 doesnt matter. It still copied almost everything from it.

 

[Starships]

Whoa Whoa Whoa how is FF 5 a copy from FF3 ? Sure it has the job class system, but so does FF1 and FF 10-2 in a way. So are they direct copies of FF3 as well ?

FF5 is about some evil tree wizard who was locked away in a prison by the main character's dad long ago and he's trying to escape from his prison so he uses people, monsters and the crystals to try and break free. Halfway through the game he does so Bartz and the group travel within his castle which is filled with people who tried to double-cross Ex-Death stuck zombie like inside the castle walls to try and defeat him. This angers Ex-Death so he sends the main character's hometown and other people to this void like zone.

FF3 is about a group of orphans who are chosen by the crystals to save the world from some bad guy named Xande and Xande screws up and ends up summoning somebody who is ten times mightier than him named Dark Cloud so she gets in Dissidia instead of him. Making him totally unimportant and useless.

FF 5 has a great battle system, a great and cheerful main character, great music- Ex-Death's main theme omg it shivers down my spine, and a great storyline that doesn't borrow from FF3. It improves the job system from FF3 which is a good thing.

FF5 is NOT the worst Final Fantasy game ever. In fact it's sadly underrated.

And 3/4 of the characters in FF5 were bland and uninteresting, as well as the main villain being so boring and uninteresting he became a void/wanted to bring people into a void of nothingness (which surprise surprise, was essentially the same as FF3)

How in the chocobo Calm Lands Sonic Hill Zone 2 is characters like Faris, Bartz and Galuf bland are uninteresting ? Did you play through FFV or just jump on the "" FF5 sucks because it's FF5 " bandwagon ?
Galuf ? Bartz ? Bland and uninteresting ? In what world ? Not this one.

Saying since we didnt get FF3 before FF5 doesnt matter. It still copied almost everything from it.

Okay so who is the old man with the granddaughter in FF3 ? Arc ? Arc I didn't know that you were that old AND a Granddaughter ? So that's why everybody bullies you. For shame.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Whoa Whoa Whoa how is FF 5 a copy from FF3 ? Sure it has the job class system, but so does FF1 and FF 10-2 in a way. So are they direct copies of FF3 as well ?

FF5 is about some evil tree wizard who was locked away in a prison by the main character's dad long ago and he's trying to escape from his prison so he uses people, monsters and the crystals to try and break free. Halfway through the game he does so Bartz and the group travel within his castle which is filled with people who tried to double-cross Ex-Death stuck zombie like inside the castle walls to try and defeat him. This angers Ex-Death so he sends the main character's hometown and other people to this void like zone.

FF3 is about a group of orphans who are chosen by the crystals to save the world from some bad guy named Xande and Xande screws up and ends up summoning somebody who is ten times mightier than him named Dark Cloud so she gets in Dissidia instead of him. Making him totally unimportant and useless.

FF 5 has a great battle system, a great and cheerful main character, great music- Ex-Death's main theme omg it shivers down my spine, and a great storyline that doesn't borrow from FF3. It improves the job system from FF3 which is a good thing.

FF5 is NOT the worst Final Fantasy game ever. In fact it's sadly underrated.



How in the chocobo Calm Lands Sonic Hill Zone 2 is characters like Faris, Bartz and Galuf bland are uninteresting ? Did you play through FFV or just jump on the "" FF5 sucks because it's FF5 " bandwagon ?
Galuf ? Bartz ? Bland and uninteresting ? In what world ? Not this one.



Okay so who is the old man with the granddaughter in FF3 ? Arc ? Arc I didn't know that you were that old AND a Granddaughter ? So that's why everybody bullies you. For shame.

Well to nocturne that he says that XIII is good then i wouldnt take his opinions of games seriously if he likes craps like FFXIII, your my hero FF5 is GREAT but like FF8 is bashed just for not being the next FF4 (Wich i played before 5 and i dont think is that great) wich is as overrated as FF7.

XIII is a lame Sci/fi interactive movie with horrendous gameplay while FF 5 gives us a classic FF setting with great characters my vote goes to Galuf as he endure everything that X-death toss at him while Aerith died with a single Blow i cried more for Galuf than Aerith.

XIII is terrible while FF5 is not the greatest but is very good (My favorite actually) and worth the FF name while XIII is not worth to even call it an RPG.