Rule, Britannia! A Club for the British (but opened up to the Commonwealth and those affected).

Oh no it doesnt offend me or anything like that. Its just funny how big the divide can be in a nation thats been United for hundreds of years. I guess history isnt so easily forgotten. Though thats a good thing. I think its important to learn about your country
 
Big Casino said:
Great so now if the topic of World war 2 comes up wer gunna have all you yanky doodle cowboys comin in like yo dude we totally saved your ass man in ww2!!
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if my irish blood keeps me from walking specific streets in Boston then I am Irish so I have a right to be here! :mokken:

Harlequin said:
Some of the Irish get offended when you refer to Ireland as a part of Britain. Rightly so I suppose.
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that explains a great deal.
 
I concur. Taking pride in your nationality and culture is definitely needed in the unilateral world we're heading towards.


I would also like to attempt to prove certain stereotypes wrong. :lew:
 
Question for you McGee. What do you think of all the Americans who call themselves Irish yet they were born in America? Would you consider them Irish cuz if it was me id still think of them as Americans regardless of where your father was born or moved from etc.

I remember we had a similarish conversation on CoD about how serious they take paddy pride day over there :wacky:
 
Big Casino said:
Question for you McGee. What do you think of all the Americans who call themselves Irish yet they were born in America? Would you consider them Irish cuz if it was me id still think of them as Americans regardless of where your father was born or moved from etc.

I remember we had a similarish conversation on CoD about how serious they take paddy pride day over there :wacky:
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that is like saying african-people do not get to say they are african just cuz they live in america now. it is our heritage. if that irish heritage keeps me from being allowed street access to certain places then i am irish. :ahmed:

although i agree. i consider myself american, not italian/russian/irish :mokken:
 
Hmmm its not that tbh. I just think regardless of skin colour the country your born and grow up in is your home and nationality. Thats it.
If im being honest i find the term African American completely stupid. I think it serves as nothing more than tip toe-ing around the racial divides that has seperated America. Unless your native american then its never ending. Oh im Polish American, im Italian American, Im Scottish American, Im French American....uhm no your just American in our eyes. It maybe a nation founded by immigrants but its fairly stamped out as its own nation with its own culture in todays society.
Maybe people just want some history to relate to. I dont know but i find it completely daft.
 
:hmmm: No. I don't consider them Irish as far as the nationality goes. I would consider them as Americans passing on the Irish culture in the way they see it. Sure, they may have come from two stems of Irish families, but the Irish families they came from probably came from somewhere else, and so on(If you want to play that sort of game). The Ireland that some of these Irish Americans think of is a story-book fantasy. Many imagine us in a light that we don't actually stem from.


Obviously, I love the fact that we're certainly a very well-known nation compared to our size and history, but I don't think that people should be claiming to be Irish through connections. The government began a drive to increase Irish tourism(one of our leading industries) by promoting this sort of thing, named "The Gathering" this year:


"Oh? Your Grandmother was from Dingle? COME VISIT!!! "


This, and many other "OOOOH You had a Grandfather who was 3.167% Irish? Here's an honourary Irish-ness certificate" examples is why I hate the current government on this topic. I personally dislike this sort of money-grabbing scheme. The certificate bullshit is basically whoring out the Irish nationality to any celebrity who has Ireland strike their fancy. Not to mention the connections just cause people to remember the hard times that FORCED those families to leave.


As for St Paddy's day... I don't think I'll be going to the US for one of them. I might be sacrificed on a Pyre for being "PURE BLOOD" at one of the festivals. :lew:


Jokes aside, I respect Irish Americans who believe that they're Irish; but they've crafted their own culture, so I wouldn't class them as "Homeland Irish" in that sense.
 
Just to clarify a bit. People have been moving to Britain long before America was even colonised by the whiteman and we dont have terms like African Brits and Italian Brits etc. Turkish Brits. If you see where im coming from. Its a very American thing.
 
Big Casino said:
Question for you McGee. What do you think of all the Americans who call themselves Irish yet they were born in America? Would you consider them Irish cuz if it was me id still think of them as Americans regardless of where your father was born or moved from etc.

I remember we had a similarish conversation on CoD about how serious they take paddy pride day over there :wacky:
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McGee! :lew:

Question wasn't directed about me but I'll provide some input myself. I never knew why they felt so strongly about their Irish ancestry. Maybe back when the immigrants of NYC were fresh off the boats and things were tribal between communities it was understandable but these days they seem completely American to me.
 
I find all your talk of the filthy colonists and their butchering of the Queen's English disturbing :monocle:


Also, I live in Britain, so kindly permit me entrance into this establishment :monocle:
 
I require permission as a brit to enter this little club, now where is our tea and scones :monocle:
 
You live in Scotland. Glasgow of all places :wacky: Wev been butchering the ''Queens English'' for generations :lew:

Ya wee fanny ye:jim:

Though its the British Goverments fault for banning the gaelic in Scotland =/
 
Big Casino said:
You live in Scotland. Glasgow of all places :wacky: Wev been butchering the ''Queens English'' for generations :lew:

Ya wee fanny ye:jim:
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Ya ruin ma argument, ya wee shite :rage:

I used to have a more posh accent until I finally caved :sad3:


Callisto said:
I'll hae thou know I am this club's official U.S. correspondence.:mokken:
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Considering how badly you mismanage your economy I would not be surprised if correspondence also breaks down :wacky:
 
Big Casino said:
I think Dan you considered yourself British. The Saint George only reminds you of the anglo saxons i think you said :wacky:
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That’s true. :argor:

I prefer British because Britain / Britannia (and spelling variations) is an older term, and for a wider area. It was the Roman term, but also possibly the term used by Pytheas, 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Century BC, a Greek from the Greek-colony of Massalia (what is now modern Marseilles in the south of France). He is thought to have sailed to the British Isles, maybe circumnavigated it or sailed a large part of it, recorded his journey, but the Greeks didn’t settle. His work is now lost, so people rely on ancient commentators and attestations of him. He might have used the term Britannia, or Prittania, and the Romans came to use the term.

Imagine how things could have been if the Greeks had settled in Britain though! :O That said, it might have actually have been easier for the Romans to invade, because they’d already (depending on when you are looking at) appropriated Greek culture and the Hellenistic kingdoms into the Roman Empire.

My ancestry are a mixture of northern-English, Irish and Scottish. Rather than the term England, Britain better encapsulates as much of this as is possible under a single term, although Ireland doesn’t really apply there.

England brings to my mind the Anglo-Saxons, who I have no particular care for. I may have some Saxon-blood (who really knows what is mixed in their blood?), but I just don’t feel English, for some strange reason. England also brings to my mind racism and football hooliganism. There are positive things for England too, of course. English history is fairly interesting, and we have great writers such as Shakespeare, etc, etc, so it isn't a horrible thing exactly.

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Also… Regarding Dublin.
I’ve been to Dublin! I quite liked it. It’s not a bad place, but all places have grimy areas. Dublin can at times truly be a fair city.
 
there was a great documentary on a while back about everything the Greeks have did for us. :D

And yeah cuz the Romans called It Britannia thats why Britain is really used as a Geographical term and not as such a name for its citizens. Scots were known as the Caledonians which means Giant strong people or something close to that. The Caledonians and The Picts had no Alphabet so most of what is written about them comes from Roman scholars etc :hmmm: The first real account of the Caledonians comes from a battle they fought against the Romans. Caledonians had no king and rather theyre leader was chosen by the strongest man of the tribe. Its gunna bug me but i cant think of the name of the Roman who led the battle..... You have to love how they portrayed the people who wernt of Rome :lew: Devils and heathens. All of us :wacky: Calgacus was the Caledonian who led the battle. His name means the sword master or something like that.

I guess the Greeks though did have a big legacy throughout the world. Socrates teachings were belived to be fact for many many years after his death. Id say im more interested in Greek history than i am Roman. Im not sure why really. I have no connection to either of them. Theres just something about the Greeks they made everything seem so..fantastic.

I think the catchline of that show i mentioned was. Ancient Greece is not a place you would have wanted to live. But its not something you would want to have lived without
 
Unfortunately, 'those affected' refers to just about every country/people in the world, except for perhaps the Sentinel Islanders. That's why they used to say that the sun never sets on the British Empire, because it was so vast.
 
It would have been awesome if the Greeks had settled in Britain.

I'm a Phil-Hellene for sure. I prefer them to the Romans as well, but I quite like the Romans also (perhaps because they, in turn, appropriated a lot of Greek culture themselves). I'm more passionate about Greece than I am Britain, to be honest, even though I have no known genealogical ties to Greece.

I'm quite interested in the pre-Roman inhabitants of Britain. They're shrouded in mystery, largely.

I'm also interested in the Romano-British mixture, and the appropriation by the Romans of native gods, but mixing them with Roman deities (a practice repeated across the whole empire).

It's something I want to know a lot more about.
 
Harlequin said:
Some of the Irish get offended when you refer to Ireland as a part of Britain. Rightly so I suppose.

Anyway good club count me in!
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This ^

Thanks for this Harlequin. Love your username btw.

Not going to join but wish the club luck ! I was born on the side of Ireland that supports Britain but I don't think I count.
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