Is Mortality a good thing?

KourtneyVT09 said:
We ARE immortal. Death is not the end. Most of us think that it is. Death is simply when our bodies can no longer function properly. Hahaha. When our earthly ties to this world break, our soul goes on to Heaven, of course!

There we live happily, forever. Green velvet grass, warm breezes, the endless sunset above the bottomless ocean. Billions of colors we haven't seen or imagined, food we haven't tasted growing on every tree, music that never sounded so beautiful.

And it will never get boring because there is SO MUCH to do. Even I wonder how it couldn't get boring. Eternity sounds depressing. But think about it, we do the same thing all the time EVERY SINGLE DAY and call ourselves happy. We never tire of the same old same old. So how can we tire of something that never ends and is always new?

And theres more . . .the Coup' de 'Grace of it all. . . theres Him!
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That sounds simply fantastic, but forgive me for not being sold on the idea.

Anyway...

The idea of living forever is intriguing, but I couldn't handle it. Watching as everyone I love dies, leaving me behind in eternal limbo. I could find more people to care about, but the same thing would just happen again. They'd die, and I'd keep on living. Eventually, the pain of loss would become too great and I'd probably choose to live in isolation.

Or maybe I'd go into the army. I could be an invincible super commando or something. Put Rambo to shame, I would,

...yeeah, it's a good thing that we die. Besides, can you imagine how overpopulated the world would become if we weren't mortal? Crazy.
 
Death, what is your take on it?

So folks, I just want to know what ya'll think of the term death. Do you think it's necessary? If not/if so please comment and make it a good thought process. I don't think.. "just because" suits it.

I've seen many loved ones in my life pass, so I have a bit of a sharp edge on the subject, but I'll let the anxiety set in for ya'll. Ya'll first... do you think death is necessary (repetition with a purpose).
 
Yeah, as painful as it may be for those who have had loved ones die, and as foreboding as not knowing what will happen when you die yourself may be, I think it is necessary.

Whatever any person may say, no-one would want to live forever, and you wouldn't want other people, like Hitler etc. etc. to be able to live forever.

And yes, I may have just used the most widely used clichés about death that there are, but I find these to hold more truth than appears at first. But then this is just my opinion :wacky:
 
I for one don't really think it's neccessary. I've seen way too may people die from an early age and now all 10 of the adults of whom I loved so much when I was growing up has died. Now I live with just one parent and other stingy family members who haven't been so nice to me throughout my life like my now dead ones.

I used to be fine with death, but the more I think about the people who were taken from me way too soon, I can't help to think that it's not fair. Some of us still needed our parents, grantparents, and other loved ones. I needed mine, but yet they were taken away.

Now I live my life with not many friends I can trust, no family members who really care about me and nothing much to hold onto but my own dreams of which I have to carry out alone. I dispise the very thought of death! But I figure that if I were to ever die, I would do it on my own terms.

Death is something that I want to avoid, for all we know, there is nothing else after death...Life could be longer. We don't have to all live forever but I feel that we should all at least live about the same amount of years before we die. With this I mean i believe we should all be able to die, just live out a good chunk of life first before we go. ^_^
 
death is death, its inevitable and expected. I used to be really afraid of Dying, like it was always on my mind, now i really dont care. Ive never lost anyone really close to me so i guess i havent really felt death yet.
 
It happens. It's nothing we can control really. Death isn't frightening, as most people think it is. I've lost my grandpa in '03, and that's it asie from my grandma back when i was like 4 or 5. Death is to be expected, even when things are their brightest. Why? Because the shock value isn't as great. Death can occur at any moment. BEst to accept it.
 
As it's been stated, death is inevitable. What's the point of fretting over something you can't control, or even get away from. Now, I don't really consider death to be the end. I stated in another thread that I don't believe in the afterlife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in an eternity after death. I consider life to be a transition phase. The part that allows you to gain knowledge and abilities that'll allow you to appreciate what awaits you after your body ceases to live (which is why I have a serious problem with people who just sit around and do drugs and don't live their lives). But, I would say that it's necessary. There are alot of people that abused their right to live, and there are more people still who I actually believe NEED to die. But I won't go into that.
 
I believe death is merely a long-term sleep. I don't think it's what "death" is really all about. Death, to me, is becoming non-existant. Like, you literally do not exist anymore. You take up no space, you have no memories/feelings/anything. You're gone. The thing that we refer to as "death" shows signs that it could mean becoming non-existant, but I really doubt it, seeing as how we all remember our "dead" loved ones and, when their bodies decay, they are returned to the earth and don't just disappear. It helps that I believe in God and an afterlife, too. I just don't see our purpose ending 6 feet underground. I think we were meant for much greater things after our "death." Of course, I suppose some people will inevitably become non existant, which saddens me. I wouldn't wish that on anybody :(
 
Death is a naturally process of the world. Everyone dieds so what are you scare of? I never really like the thought of death on my mind when I was younger, but now I don't care much.
 
I know a lot about it..
I don't want some overly eager mod to edit my post.....
Like happened recently.

I saw a partial autopsy once.
I won't describe it because I don't want to be edited.

and no..I didn't fall out like you see the police officers do on the promo for the old Quincy tv show.
I was shocked though.I think was 20-21 at the time..so it was along time ago.

I've been at a murder scene after the police /medical staff took the body away.

I've lost a lot of people I have loved.
A lot.

I believe the death of innocent people is an evil thing..
I've lost my faith in God because of my feelings about death.

shrugs.

Sure all being die....we're all fragile organic beings...but there's a good way and a bad way to die.
I hate death personally..and whether it's an inevitable thing...or God allows it..satan promotes it..the death angel comes for them...whether it be like the Final Destination movies or the shadowy figures from the movie Ghost...
It's something I really hate because of the losses I have suffered.

On rare occasions you can go to the area outside the Body Farm and see vultures circling.I saw 5-6 of them recently.I guess the anthropology department had put a body out...
I thought how grusome is that...
But then that pretty much says what death is..a grusome thing..shrugs.
 
All things Die, why should Humans be any different?
Because we are aware of it? Because we gave it a name?
Are you suggesting Immortality Shu?

And to you Rawrskx I say this: there is nothing more tragic than when a whole family is pushed to extinction.

For 13.675 Billion years before our existence.........things died.
And our whole species along with all other life on earth will die at some stage......and eventually altogether, because nothing last forever.

When you say is death necessary? It bring to mind The meaning of existence if in the end we are to die anyway,what is the point of life? The truth is there in no "Meaning of Life" (outside of religious dogma anyway) its just that our existence is merely apart of a cycle of death and rebirth.........we just dont know where we go after death is all.

Its hard for me to have an opinion on death when you see it from every POV and not just Humanities, when you can see "death" in the formation of an atom or the last moments of somebodies life, perspective is lost along the way.

I see it as necessary but only as apart of nature.

A fate to be avoided if we can.

The Doom of all Men will get you in the end though.

So just kill me now and let the good times roll............
 
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It's inevitable innit. It sometimes happens to the wrong people, I've seen afew friends buried, and it's not nice and it shouldn't happen to young people, but one way or another it happens to us all whether we like it or not, whether we think it's fair or not

It's how we deal with it, rather than death it's self that is the major issue with folk I think.
 
Death is absolutely necessary for one reason: Overpopulation. Here are some fun facts for you.

  • Number of deaths: 2,423,712
  • Death rate: 803.6 deaths per 100,000 population
  • Life expectancy: 77.9 years
  • Infant Mortality rate: 6.75 deaths per 1,000 live births
  • Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
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Compared to this:

  • Number of births: 4,265,555
  • Birth rate: 14.2 per 1,000 population
  • Fertility rate: 68.5 births per 1000 women aged 15-44 years
  • Percent born low birthweight: 8.3%
  • Percent born preterm: 13%
  • Percent unmarried: 38.5%
  • Mean age at first birth: 25
  • Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm
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If anything, people need to either stop having so many fucking kids, or do the world a favor and go on a couple of murder/suicide killing sprees. :hmph:

Yeah, death sucks, but in terms of population management, it's great. However, it's too fucking bad that for every one person to die about two take his place. We really should find a way to limit the amount of people having fucking kids. :hmph:
 
Raistlin Majere said:
Death is absolutely necessary for one reason: Overpopulation. Here are some fun facts for you.
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[/list]If anything, people need to either stop having so many fucking kids, or do the world a favor and go on a couple of murder/suicide killing sprees. :hmph:

Yeah, death sucks, but in terms of population management, it's great. However, it's too fucking bad that for every one person to die about two take his place. We really should find a way to limit the amount of people having fucking kids. :hmph:
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This is like, my mantra. Well said. People don't realize that having lots of babies is indirectly killing other people over the long term, through starvation, lack of resources, etc. Not to mention all the completely innocent animals and plants who were here before we were :jtc: I don't know who started the whole Theory of Entitlement but they were a douche, pardon my language :monster:

As far as the thread subject itself though, I like to think more in terms of the way a lot of ancient cultures did--that death is a transition to another plane of existence, and that you don't just disappear entirely. If you do, there's no way of knowing right now, and that just creates more fear and stress when you can't do anything about it, so I think it's better to try to think of there as being something else afterward that this lifetime will have been leading up to in some way.




 
I guess I didn't dig deep enough with you folks. I never argued the case of immortality. The main question I was getting at is it necessary..

Overpopulation aside, what if for instance we had access to another planet and we could freshly populate it with our species.

Think of it this way, if Death was not present, and we never knew about the concept, would religion exist? Wouldn't this take away the whole Heaven aspect for some religious folks?

I believe death is absolutely necessary due to the fact that it instills more than just mortality. I think it instills purpose. If you had never ending life, would life mean as much to you? To me I'd be the biggest procrastinator. I also think there would be no sense of time, unless merely for night and day.

Just think of how many charity organizations would be gone though if Death wasn't here. How many folks would get scholarships from these so called dead folks anymore. Would there be such thing as a life time reward?

It's really hard to think about, because we've never known life without death.

I'll leave this thread with a quote from Our Lady Peace - RK on Death.

"Take death for example.
A great deal of our effort goes into avoiding it.
We make extraordinary efforts to delay it and often consider
its intrusion a tragic event.
Yet we'd find it hard to live without it.
Death gives meaning to our lives. It
gives importance and value to time.
Time would become meaningless if there were too much of it.
If death were indefinitely put off, the human psyche would end
up, well, like the gambler in the "Twilight Zone" episode."
 
Death is Death. The final destination. It is the inevitable fate for all living creatures. There is no use fretting over something that has to happen to us. I believe that it is the bridge to new possibilities. When someone we know dies, it changes us. Death brings change, depending on your point of view.

I don't await Death, but I don't ignore it, either. When the Horseman or angel or whatever comes, he comes and that's that. I am interested in whether anything comes, though :hmmm:
 
It's easy to say overpopulation and make it seem..well to quote supertramp..clinical..intellectual and cynical...

Until it touches someone you love or care about....

Then it's not so cut and dried...

shrugs...

I'm kind of disappointed in the recent responses...

shrugs...

Maybe in time the people who made them will understand things a bit better.
 
I'm still young...like 20, but I've seen the movies and experienced some things in my life to tell me death kinda needs to be here. The longer we live, the more experiences we get, but along with experiences some sadness, and of course happiness...But since we're all human we tend to look on the negative. Personally, I think death is a way of finally resting from the hardballs life throws at you. I guess that's why they call it 'resting in peace' .

Also, if it helps a bit...I've lost some important people from this world and it pains me dearly so...But I'm glad I don't have to worry about them getting hurt.
 
Shu said:
Overpopulation aside, what if for instance we had access to another planet and we could freshly populate it with our species.
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I don't like the concept of screwing that planet over as much as we've done ours.

ANGRYWOLF said:
It's easy to say overpopulation and make it seem..well to quote supertramp..clinical..intellectual and cynical...

Until it touches someone you love or care about....

Then it's not so cut and dried...
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Only... That it has happened to people I'm close to. It's happened to friends, and family, and I still look at it the same way. At the end of the day, it's necessary, and yet still in vain because people are still having kids like jackrabbits.

People die, shit happens, SS;DD. :mokken:
 
ANGRYWOLF said:
It's easy to say overpopulation and make it seem..well to quote supertramp..clinical..intellectual and cynical...

Until it touches someone you love or care about....

Then it's not so cut and dried...

shrugs...

I'm kind of disappointed in the recent responses...

shrugs...

Maybe in time the people who made them will understand things a bit better.
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But overpopulation kills people too. There are plenty of people in third-world countries who starve to death because they don't have enough resources; let's face it, if you have to split a potato three ways it doesn't go nearly as far, and if there's only enough medicine for one person and ten are sick the same thing applies. And while it would certainly be better if people had less children in the first place than for them to have to be born and then die, the truth is that if people didn't die, then thanks to overpopulation, they would eventually physically pile up on top of each other and become emaciated and suffer from all kinds of pain and also transmit contact diseases more easily. The technology to expand to other planets (whether it's morally right or not) is not presently keeping up with this planet's birthrate; it would take thousands of years to terraform another planet, and an immense amount of resources to transport and sustain even a small colony of people on another planet. So if the population wasn't thinned out by people (or any living things, really) dying, then they would be so miserable that they would wish they could perish. So, essentially, if death were in a courtroom looking for justification, it would absolutely, ultimately choose overpopulation. And for people (I know in my case anyway) to bring up the topic of overpopulation in a conversation about this is not necessarily to defend death, but to condemn the way many people don't make the connection between overpopulation and suffering/death in general, and continue to blindly perpetuate the problem by having more children.

 Now, if we were all still hunters and gatherers, we probably wouldn't be having these kinds of problems :wacky: I for one would rather spend my days picking wild berries than get trampled to death in a Wal-mart :monster: We can thank the farmers in ancient times who needed lots of children to work their lands for all this; or even more so, the people in later time periods who retained large families as a cultural thing even after it wasn't necessary for survival :mokken: I'm still waiting to see pictures of Octomom's massive wheat fields :jtc:
 
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