Is Mortality a good thing?

Gamingway said:
This is like, my mantra. Well said. People don't realize that having lots of babies is indirectly killing other people over the long term, through starvation, lack of resources, etc. Not to mention all the completely innocent animals and plants who were here before we were :jtc: I don't know who started the whole Theory of Entitlement but they were a douche, pardon my language :monster:
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people are not obliged to give a shit about their neighbours, let alone starving children in africa. personally i dont. im not going to live my life, or expect other people to live their life so the world can live in harmony. theres PLENTY of food in the world. the amount of food that sits on supermarket shelves and goes out of date alone could probably feed all the starving nations of the world. but money makes the world go round, not compassion. if we were to live our lives taking into account all the things that had been here before us we probably wouldnt eat, work, have a roof over our heads etc. this whole overpopulation argument is bullshit, because as i said people arent obliged to, and most often do not give a shit about other people.

ANGRYWOLF said:
It's easy to say overpopulation and make it seem..well to quote supertramp..clinical..intellectual and cynical...
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hahahaha, what a legend (y)

as has been said already, yes death is necessary. it happens to everything...a lot more since we've been around too :wacky: we have to inflict death in order to live so why should we be exempt from it? :lew:
 
I do love the way the concept of death is being bandied around as if we can do something about it.

First of all, there's more to death than population management. What next? Is it reincarnation? An afterlife? Obviously I'm not stating these outcomes as fact but without death these processes couldn't be fulfilled, which makes death essential to mankind.
 
Overpopulation will always be an issue...
What do some of you want ?

More abortions ?

I am all in favor of more birth control but I think you'll have problems with the Catholic Church about that..as well as about more abortions.
Here in the US you would also have the Christian right against you as well..if you tried to promote more abortions as a means of population control.
Enormous political problems for anyone who tries that btw.

We have to get off the planet anyway..we have to go to other star systems.
That won't happen until we have to..and population pressures are one way to force the issue...

As for death personally.....like I have said I hate it.
Some of you may not feel your losses as acutely as I do mine..and I won't hold that against you.
I do have discussions online with people who have lost loved ones and they don't dismiss those losses like some of you do.
Nor do they crouch their losses in abstract scientific terms.

shrugs..

To each his own then.
 
I find death necessary. Without it, to me it would feel like time is frozen and I'd have no where else to go. And yes, there would be that overpopulation issue.

Death to a loved one is a sad thing, sometimes it's confusing and it even gets you mad. Times like that, I feel like no one should have to ever die. But it's necessary, it's as crucial as life. Death is just an ending to your first adventure, you know what I mean? You have to make your life as full as possible, and when you've done that, you die. It shouldn't be looked at as something "bad", it's just one of those things that are there and happen everyday. You just have to accept it. And then who knows what the hell happens to you when you die, I'm not gonna give a theory, there's thousands all over the web.
 
It's often confusing and it often makes you mad or depressed.

Some of you guys obviously have been insulated.

oh well..not your fault...
smile...

We need another Einstein..to prove the theory of FLT.....and a Fermi to build the engine...
That will take care of the overpopulation problem.
Then maybe it won't be used an excuse by some for needless death.
 
which makes death essential to mankind.
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In what way? so that the concepts we come up with have a cycle........
Death is essential to all things, where do you think the molecules came from that make the human?

The death of a 2nd or 3rd generation star.........where they formed.

Death is not essential to anything, its just a part of the existence of all things.
 
When we can transfer our consciousness into machines, or at least take a steady supply medication to revitalize dying organ tissues, death will be all but eliminated. It is merely flaws in human cell design that make it a part of our existence in the first place. Nobody deserves to die, and I'm convinced that humanity will have reached it's peak when people can finally live as long as they choose to.
 
Thats absolutely true Adamant!

Because humans exist outside of nature, we can in time choose to augment our age with advancing technology or cosmetics and even cloning perhaps, but this is Scifi type of stuff
here, but its all possible.
 
It's necessary living forever would not be super fun I think, though sometimes it does seem to come too early and too pointlessly, mainly suicide, genocide, and homicide. That said I wish there was a definite afterlife or at least something, as well as humans having a longer lifespan would be swell.
 
Adamant said:
When we can transfer our consciousness into machines, or at least take a steady supply medication to revitalize dying organ tissues, death will be all but eliminated. It is merely flaws in human cell design that make it a part of our existence in the first place. Nobody deserves to die, and I'm convinced that humanity will have reached it's peak when people can finally live as long as they choose to.
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I'm sorry but I find that REALLY creepy, why would we live as machines if that's what your saying? I don't know surely if we didn't die we wouldn't value life as much perhaps?
 
GalaxyFlare said:
In what way?
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I think what he means that he can't go to heaven and hang out with Jesus and Ghandi and Tupac and Frank Sinatra and Saddam Hussein if he doesn't die.

I think death motivates a lot of what we do, if we didn't die we wouldn't have to eat or drink and we'd stop having children. Because we know that we will die we know that we've only got a certain amount of time to do what we want to do.
 
Bez said:
I think what he means that he can't go to heaven and hang out with Jesus and Ghandi and Tupac and Frank Sinatra and Saddam Hussein if he doesn't die.

I think death motivates a lot of what we do, if we didn't die we wouldn't have to eat or drink and we'd stop having children. Because we know that we will die we know that we've only got a certain amount of time to do what we want to do.
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That does remind me of the whole using 'you only live once' to make decisions thing which is a pretty good way to live and you know wouldn't work with immortals
 
Zzyzx said:
That does remind me of the whole using 'you only live once' to make decisions thing which is a pretty good way to live and you know wouldn't work with immortals
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What about doing everything fulfilling in life? You don't have time to do it all in one lifetime. Without death we could be free to accumulate a virtually unlimited amount of knowledge of the human race, and reach our true intellectual potential. That, in my view, is an ideal way to live.
 
I have a slightly abstract view on death. Don't get me wrong, when I thought my mom was going to die of heart problems or when I buried my best friend at age 14, I was sad. I cried, wondered why, etc. The only thing is that from the age of 3, I was told that with my epilepsy, I could die at any time if something went wrong. I have grown up with the constant thought that I have a higher likelihood of dying naturally than other people just because of a brain misfire. I was also technically a still-born for roughly one and a half minutes. Then there's the fact that when my mom had to go on ambulance runs as an EMT, since she had no money for baby-sitters, me and my brother went with her and I saw many deaths. I grew up with death all around me and consuming me. The knowledge, however, made it easier to bear I think and gave me a different outlook on life.

If you need to know, of those close to me, I have lost 5 uncles, 6 grandparents, 4 friends, and 4 aunts. Most of my family died of cancer except for 2 uncles who died of unnatural causes. All my friends were unnaturally taken away, but I still keep my belief on death. Death to me, is inevitable and much needed as many others have stated, but I don't think I agree with their reasons entirely. I don't look at death as the end, but as a part of life. I look at death in the same light as food, drink, sleep, bathroom breaks, etc. All of those are a part of life. Death is just another step. Nobody knows what happens after death, so why should it be so scary. I have never understood why people fear what they don't understand. Just to be clear, I don't fault anybody on their beliefs, just don't always understand.

Anyway, I would like to add that over-population will never happen because, whether you like it or not, this planet was designed to sustain life the way it sees fit. The planet has always dealt with over-population without us before, why do we need to try to take over now? I think people are a little vain and naive to think that the planet needs our help when it's us who cannot survive without it. Earth can survive without people, but people cannot survive without earth. But even the planet must die someday, so death is going to happen anyway.

I guess, what I am trying to say is that death is a touchy subject because nobody wants to lose someone they care about, especially not to death. Death takes a lot away from us, and usually leaves us wanting just a few more moments with those lost. But death isn't definitely bad, just the last piece to the puzzle of life. I do think, however, that the deceased should be honored, but not dwelled upon. I know, personally, that I deal with death best with a good joke and that when I die, everyone is invited because it will be a great party filled with booze, loud funny (possibly annoying, depending on your sense of humor) music, games, and laughter. As I always say, if you can't laugh at life, you might as well be dead.
 
Death for me it is something natural,as meaning that "I live-I die someday".I don't know the hour,year or exact Time.It will happen eventually.I am not that scared of it or something around there,just that I do think of how it will feel "to be dead" ..what happens exactly?Those are the only two questions in my mind regardless this aspect. :)

I don't want even to make a "call" to my religion as after death we go to either hell or heaven,cause I..stopped believing in that a long time ago.We live to die.We do die so we live.Nothing more or less,nor beyond it it's not like something Does really expects us.It's just another journey,but in Death and not in life.I can call it the "second life".I don't expect anything form it..just passing over into a different form of Living.but as well,being dead.
I don't know if I make sense here..but oh,well! ^^
Life is sh!ty..so does dead.Also,death itself can trick us. :x3:
 
To live is to die, life is pointless to me, i can't wait until i die, but i don't have the balls to kill myself.
 
Being Christian, my personal belief about death is that if you believe and are baptized you are saved.

Tomorrow is promised to no one. You never know when your time will come as you could be in a severe MVA (Motor vehicle accident as we use excessive abbreviations in the medical field) and could die on impact...or you could be diagnosed with cancer and try and fight it and be fighting a losing battle and end up dying...

In my experience, it happens at ages where it is sad, however appropriate. For instance when my grandparents died when I was in High School and early college. It also happens at times when it is not appropriate in our eyes and people can feel completely robbed by it-As I've seen much younger people die from it (Newborns, babies yet to be born)...and therefore there is no rhyme or reason for it.

Having a near death experience will change your life. I've had two close calls in my life. One when I was REALLY SICK for two weeks before staying in the hospital for a week. I didn't think I was going to make it....and the end result was me losing a ton of weight (100pds down to 80pds)...and being literally on death's door. My second brush with death was my near run in with someone who decided to run a red light going 50mph in a 30 zone...who would have hit me right in my driver's door. After these experiences I have learned how valuable my life really is. I try not to waste the time I'm given, love the people I have in my life to the best of my abilities every day, and cherish the day...you never know when it could be your last.
 
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Life is what it is: A list of expected, unexpected and planned events culminating in the big finish from whichever one it inevitably falls under. It is whatever you can try and make of it, but there is no certainty it will be the exact picture in which you forsee you wanting it to be no matter what you do to it. Thats not to say that applys to all, just most. Generally you make do, hope you get a good break and get to do most of the things you want, thats all.
 
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Without death, we wouldn't be motivated to achieve shit, seeing as we would have all the time in the world. I can't say it's necessarily fair the way it comes about sometimes. People can get taken from you in the most unexpected manner, but it also helps to put alot of things into perspective. Life is precious, we need to treasure every moment. Don't burn your bridges and don't hold grudges, it's just not worth it
 
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