Law's entirely based on public expression
Well, in a democracy, anyway.
...at least it should be.
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Is it Pedophilia When someone is attracted to an Anime Character?
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Law's entirely based on public expression
Well, in a democracy, anyway.
...at least it should be.
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I am not going to make a big deal here. But the Japanese love that kind of stuff. Sex is something crazy overthere, Pedophilia also. So are you saying that 24 year olds in anime like 10 year olds in anime. Or are you saying it is wrong when a person in RL is attracted to anime characters? In most animes it is the doctors who like the little anime girls. It is disgusting but unfortunately nothing can be done. I dont know why this is such a big DEAL though. I mean Anime is always perverted and will always be till the end of time. Even animes for children have references to nudity sex and pedophilia. Not going through the other pages. I fucking cba. Anime is really different than other animations from certain Countries tbh. Its a masterpiece by the Japanese. You can not really call it cartoons 
Cali why are you distracted by this anyway? Just ignore it?
Cali why are you distracted by this anyway? Just ignore it?
It's perfectly acceptable and people are like that. You might not like it, but don't go condemning it just because you don't like it. It's the equivalent to throwing your toy outta the pram. People are gonna do things you don't like. And no. It's not paedophilia. It's just a form of fanboying/fangirling. That's all there is to it.
Haters gonna hate.
Haters gonna hate.
Um...yes it's pedophilia. Pedophilia is a term used to characterize older men who have a sexual interest in pre-pubescent girls. Unless the person just has a cartoon fetish (highly unlikely imo since cartoons are just representations of reality), there is no significant difference as to whether the pornography is "real" or "drawn."
But fortunately for them, the law hasn't really caught up to the digital age so having cartoon (and 3D i'm guessing) child porn isn't a crime in the USA. Dunno when this will change; however, I'm fairly certain that some state will pass something about this when it becomes a more pressing issue.
But fortunately for them, the law hasn't really caught up to the digital age so having cartoon (and 3D i'm guessing) child porn isn't a crime in the USA. Dunno when this will change; however, I'm fairly certain that some state will pass something about this when it becomes a more pressing issue.
if they were pedophiles, they wouldnt be looking at anime? way to be close-minded
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I personally agree that for example fancying Sasami out of Tenchi Muyo, and fancying Dakota Fanning are two completely different things since Dakota Fanning isnt fictional. But from a legal point of view, in america now owning "Loli" manga porn is almost as punishable a crime as owning child porn, So to anyone out there who is into that kinda thing, i wouldnt admit it cause its quite illegal now.
Personally ive fancied some anime characters, Like Mokoto out of Ghost in the Shell, mostly for the giant boobs and tiny hips, but i dont collect anime porn or get off to them, cause at the end of the day pictures dont compaire to the real thing.
Personally ive fancied some anime characters, Like Mokoto out of Ghost in the Shell, mostly for the giant boobs and tiny hips, but i dont collect anime porn or get off to them, cause at the end of the day pictures dont compaire to the real thing.
Since you clearly don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about, I'm just going to suggest avoiding areas of debate you have no business arguing in. Did you even bother reading any of the posts in this thread? Pedophilia is used here to describe a criminal act involving older men OR women indirectly or directly sexually abusing children. Cartoon pornography is not pedophilia. There's no "victim" in lolicon, it's not a "moral" issue, and people who want to censor the whole damn world are just making life more miserable for the rest of us.
Pedophilia. A rather touching topic to debate on, tbh.
However. I don't think it's pedophilia for a person to like an anime character who is below the age of consent.
1) It's anime. It's a drawing. That's all there is to it.
2) I like quite a few characters who are below the age of consent. There are characters who are like... 13 in games that I think are cute or whatever. Hope from FFXIII is an example (he's 14, but eh). But I have no interest whatsoever in real children in that manner. Larsa, FFXII. Another example. Even if a real child looked like either of these two characters, I still wouldn't look at them the same way I do as game characters.
It's a psychological thing. You can find an underage anime or game character attractive/hawt, whatever without finding real people of the same age attractive.
Just because you do find a character attractive and they're underage, doesn't mean you feel the same way about real kids. =/
Don't ask for others opinions if they're not allowed one, too.
My opinion on the matter. -shrug;- you don't like it or agree with it... I don't really care.
However. I don't think it's pedophilia for a person to like an anime character who is below the age of consent.
1) It's anime. It's a drawing. That's all there is to it.
2) I like quite a few characters who are below the age of consent. There are characters who are like... 13 in games that I think are cute or whatever. Hope from FFXIII is an example (he's 14, but eh). But I have no interest whatsoever in real children in that manner. Larsa, FFXII. Another example. Even if a real child looked like either of these two characters, I still wouldn't look at them the same way I do as game characters.
It's a psychological thing. You can find an underage anime or game character attractive/hawt, whatever without finding real people of the same age attractive.
Just because you do find a character attractive and they're underage, doesn't mean you feel the same way about real kids. =/
Don't ask for others opinions if they're not allowed one, too.
My opinion on the matter. -shrug;- you don't like it or agree with it... I don't really care.
Careful that sounds like an invitation for an argument.
Not from me though, I'm vexxed on this subject!
This is not so clear cut as you would think and is a futile thing to engage each other with opinions when there is so much grey area.
Not from me though, I'm vexxed on this subject!
This is not so clear cut as you would think and is a futile thing to engage each other with opinions when there is so much grey area.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with the law. It has to do with the preference of an adult. I probably misspoke about the legality of non-real porn and child pornography (did a little outside reading and realized that the rationale behind the illegality of child porn is very different from what I thought), but I don't see how a person enjoying child anime pornography wouldn't find a similar preference in real life.
From a morality standpoint (not legality), the "no victim" rationale doesn't really hold up. So it's okay to be sexually stimulated by scenes of children as long as victimization only occurs upon an unreal character? What? A non-pedophile would not be sexually aroused in either case.
Additionally, I don't find a very large disconnect between anime and reality when it comes to what the observer is being sexually aroused by. It's the same idea but just in a different form. I wouldn't enjoy watching child pornography regardless of the medium, and this isn't due to the fact that I don't enjoy hentai or anything.
If you enjoy watching child pornography via hentai, good for you. I think it's walking down the same thought process of a pedophile. The only reason it isn't illegal is because there is no victim, thus they won't need to restrict the "underground market" as a preventative measure. But as a classification that relies upon how an individual is sexually aroused...it's very similar.
Edit: As an additional point (since people here are apt to use it) comparing this to a murderer vs. killing people in games is an inaccurate analogy. The type of enjoyment received by a murderer is of a very different nature than that of the enjoyment of a person playing an fps or grand theft auto. But in child pornography vs. anime child pornography...the sexual arousal is derived from a very similar type of pleasure. Again, this isn't a discussion about an overt act of pedophilia...just the thought process that defines someone as such. Not acting doesn't necessarily make you immune from being categorized as a "pedophile."
From a morality standpoint (not legality), the "no victim" rationale doesn't really hold up. So it's okay to be sexually stimulated by scenes of children as long as victimization only occurs upon an unreal character? What? A non-pedophile would not be sexually aroused in either case.
Additionally, I don't find a very large disconnect between anime and reality when it comes to what the observer is being sexually aroused by. It's the same idea but just in a different form. I wouldn't enjoy watching child pornography regardless of the medium, and this isn't due to the fact that I don't enjoy hentai or anything.
If you enjoy watching child pornography via hentai, good for you. I think it's walking down the same thought process of a pedophile. The only reason it isn't illegal is because there is no victim, thus they won't need to restrict the "underground market" as a preventative measure. But as a classification that relies upon how an individual is sexually aroused...it's very similar.
Edit: As an additional point (since people here are apt to use it) comparing this to a murderer vs. killing people in games is an inaccurate analogy. The type of enjoyment received by a murderer is of a very different nature than that of the enjoyment of a person playing an fps or grand theft auto. But in child pornography vs. anime child pornography...the sexual arousal is derived from a very similar type of pleasure. Again, this isn't a discussion about an overt act of pedophilia...just the thought process that defines someone as such. Not acting doesn't necessarily make you immune from being categorized as a "pedophile."
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Johnny Gat begs to differ
In Saints Row 2, Johnny Gat (Voiced by Kim Dae) was a criminal who was convicted of over 300 Murders. Shortly before he was sentenced to the electric chair, his nameless homie who was also mute in the last game busted his ass out of there.
During his case, the following script was played:
Judge: You've been found guilty of over 300 counts of murder, Mr. Gat.
Johnny: Now honestly your honor, with the statute of limitations it should really be closer to 250.
Judge: There is no statute of limitations on murder, Mr. Gat!
Johnny: Why the fuck not?
Near the end of Saints Row 2, the 3rd Street Saints took down Dane Vogel and fucked up the Ultor Company. After which, Shaundi, Pierce, and Namless Homie took a 'copter home.
Nameless Homie called Johnny to see if he was ready to go. His reply was "Do I really have to? It's not like I'm gonna run out of ammo anytime soon" and continued to kill many cops.
but in retrospect
I imagine jacking off to naked children does not really give the same feeling as raping/manhandling them does
but you know what
if i could be like in saints row 2, I'd go kill people all the time
shoot the guy in the gas station, take all the dr. pepper i want, eat their shitty greasy pizza, call someone to bring me my ferrari or completely restored camaro with nitrous and guns planted on the car, pulll a rocket launcher out of my ass and blow stuff up
I will neither be in favor or against any side and I will focus on the concept of "right and wrong". In a group of people who share similar beliefs (like a society), a set of rules is made in order to promote the existence, stability, and health of the society. The ideas of Good and Evil vary from one society to another, implying that what could be wrong for us could be deemed as acceptable on another society/culture.
What does this has to do with the thread?
Everything. You see, it is in human nature to feel some sort of attraction to what's forbidden. For example, some people who steal have admitted that they do it simply for the thrill of the moment and not because they actually needed the money or were in difficult economical situation. They do it because they've been told is wrong and they just want to break the rules to feel the excitement of doing something that is prohibited.
Pedophilia is wrong, not because of what society has said, but really because it could be dangerous to the affected children. At such an early age, they are not sexually and psychologically prepared, their organs are still far from being developed, and getting involved in sexual intercourse could be harmful for their immature bodies.
Not only it can damage their reproductive organs, but the fact of being used can also mentally scar them forever. I daresay this to be worst than death, because a dead person doesn't feel, but a live person who was raped is haunted by the memories forever.
Now back on the line I intend to follow...
You can't punish someone for something they have not done. If they want to watch Hentai/Lolicon/Porn, their problem, not ours. What's illegal is the action, not the thought. Of course, real Child-Porn is illegal because the children used in that porn are real and the one who watches it is a complete psycho/bastard.
Loli hentai, well they aren't real. At least nobody got hurt. If they want to fantasize about Lolis then let them fap all they want so long as no real children get hurt. It's a fucking drawing...at least it wasn't a real child.
Of course, I see the point of a few people here. Desire is only a step away from action. The feel of desire is what drives humans to do things they wouldn't normally do. Of course, people have a choice of not to give in into such desires.
Again, you can't take legal actions against anyone just because they thought of the crime yet have not done anything. It's like sending someone to jail just because in their mind the dream of killing that annoying prick who makes his/her life a living hell at work. Oh that reminds me of that movie with Minority Report...
Now on a different topic. Why talk about the same topic if everyone has stated their points and they insist on remaining firm in their beliefs? It's like running in circles: pointless and stupid.
What does this has to do with the thread?
Everything. You see, it is in human nature to feel some sort of attraction to what's forbidden. For example, some people who steal have admitted that they do it simply for the thrill of the moment and not because they actually needed the money or were in difficult economical situation. They do it because they've been told is wrong and they just want to break the rules to feel the excitement of doing something that is prohibited.
Pedophilia is wrong, not because of what society has said, but really because it could be dangerous to the affected children. At such an early age, they are not sexually and psychologically prepared, their organs are still far from being developed, and getting involved in sexual intercourse could be harmful for their immature bodies.
Not only it can damage their reproductive organs, but the fact of being used can also mentally scar them forever. I daresay this to be worst than death, because a dead person doesn't feel, but a live person who was raped is haunted by the memories forever.
Now back on the line I intend to follow...
You can't punish someone for something they have not done. If they want to watch Hentai/Lolicon/Porn, their problem, not ours. What's illegal is the action, not the thought. Of course, real Child-Porn is illegal because the children used in that porn are real and the one who watches it is a complete psycho/bastard.
Loli hentai, well they aren't real. At least nobody got hurt. If they want to fantasize about Lolis then let them fap all they want so long as no real children get hurt. It's a fucking drawing...at least it wasn't a real child.
Of course, I see the point of a few people here. Desire is only a step away from action. The feel of desire is what drives humans to do things they wouldn't normally do. Of course, people have a choice of not to give in into such desires.
Again, you can't take legal actions against anyone just because they thought of the crime yet have not done anything. It's like sending someone to jail just because in their mind the dream of killing that annoying prick who makes his/her life a living hell at work. Oh that reminds me of that movie with Minority Report...
Now on a different topic. Why talk about the same topic if everyone has stated their points and they insist on remaining firm in their beliefs? It's like running in circles: pointless and stupid.
Depends. There's two issues been thrown about, whether someone is attracted to an anime character which, there's nothing wrong with, it's just weird, or if someone gets off over it (literally). The latter could have a case, a ridiculous one, but a case nonetheless. You won't find anything in law filed under pedophilia because it's all broken down into specific issues.
The fact is it harms nobody. It might be weird in your eyes, but just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it should be forbidden. Are you gonna put cameras in people's homes to ensure they don't start wanking over an underage anime character? It branches into Communism.
At the end of the day it harms no one. If it branches off into real pedophilia, lock em up and throw away the key, but all it comes down to in the end is you not liking something and wanting to get rid of it as a result.
At the end of the day it harms no one. If it branches off into real pedophilia, lock em up and throw away the key, but all it comes down to in the end is you not liking something and wanting to get rid of it as a result.
Are you kidding me?.....
The concept of of preventing the action of enjoying Anime/Hentai in ones home is not the topic, the topic is at what point does infatuation with an Anime character, become un-acceptable based on the legal description of actual pedophilia and said characters age. In Reality.
Stopping people from partaking in such acts does fall under the same umbrella,
but an individuals right to do such things is not the discussion point, weather its morally acceptable is also not what we are here to discuss.
Its all about interpretation, does fantasy transfer to reality at some point?
what are the legal ramifications of such a transfer, does the law apply the same IRL
to the world of Anime?
Harms no one? really?......if people have to do these kind of things would you prefer it
not involve images of children? I think alot of people who have expressed opinions dont have kids of there own......and maybe dont understand what kind of feelings such acts, regardless of there nature, imply.......anger, frustration.
FANTASY IS NOT SO SEPARATED FROM REALITY.
If people can justify it as being right in one, not much lies in the gulf between to stop it from crossing over from 1 to the other.
I was done here.....sed ignorare vita et omnis!
One of you (idk who) was talking about making cartoons of Pedophiles or Child Porn in some other part of the world to try to deter people from committing such acts (which I for one think is stupid).
Making those things is JUST as bad as doing it, in my opinion. Because you are essentially promoting it and saying "It's A-O-K" by putting it out there.
Why do you think they don't have Joe The Camel anymore?
Making those things is JUST as bad as doing it, in my opinion. Because you are essentially promoting it and saying "It's A-O-K" by putting it out there.
Why do you think they don't have Joe The Camel anymore?
I believe it is pedophillia due to its depiction of children in sexually implied positions and partaking in sexual acts. Cartoon or not, children really shouldn't be shown in such a situation in any sense.
Although Japan has tightened its laws, they still allow child pornography and cartoons like so to be legal in their country: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors
I'd prefer for this to be illegal... But obviously, I'm not Japanese or a political activist, so my opinion is generally unimportant.
Although Japan has tightened its laws, they still allow child pornography and cartoons like so to be legal in their country: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors
I'd prefer for this to be illegal... But obviously, I'm not Japanese or a political activist, so my opinion is generally unimportant.
I'll have to disagree, I don't see how it's pedophilia to be attracted to what simply doesn't exist. They're cartoons, they aren't real and heck, even the ages can be subjective, y'know, not being real and all.
And purely based on attraction to an anime character it's just a pointless argument imo, it's quite a stretch to compare attraction of a 2D cartoon to sexual molestation of a child
And purely based on attraction to an anime character it's just a pointless argument imo, it's quite a stretch to compare attraction of a 2D cartoon to sexual molestation of a child