Which Gender Suffers Worse?

[Relient A]

My mistake for not making it clearer in my first post. Had I know you don't have the ability to pick up on small context clues I definitely would have zeroed in on them a lot more. I assumed that the "but I have yet to meet them" would have been your biggest clue. So no, I am stumbling over nothing, and you are simply being a bitch for the sake of being one.

Bez, the way you state that means that even women themselves cannot make a judgment on this because there is no way they know enough other women. That being said, NOBODY here can be right or wrong, so the entire point is moot. So I guess that no more can possibly be said here.

 

[Donald Trump]

My mistake for not making it clearer in my first post. Had I know you don't have the ability to pick up on small context clues I definitely would have zeroed in on them a lot more. I assumed that the "but I have yet to meet them" would have been your biggest clue. So no, I am stumbling over nothing, and you are simply being a bitch for the sake of being one.

Bez, the way you state that means that even women themselves cannot make a judgment on this because there is no way they know enough other women. That being said, NOBODY here can be right or wrong, so the entire point is moot. So I guess that no more can possibly be said here.

No I was pointing out the logical fallacy in your arguement. It's an appeal to authority that you know women who have periods means that you know about periods. See it is a logical fallacy.

Also a warning, do not insult other members as that is flamming. I won't infract you this time though.

 

[Saga]

My mistake for not making it clearer in my first post. Had I know you don't have the ability to pick up on small context clues I definitely would have zeroed in on them a lot more. I assumed that the "but I have yet to meet them" would have been your biggest clue. So no, I am stumbling over nothing, and you are simply being a bitch for the sake of being one.

You know, that can technically be classed as flaming. This is a debate thread now, you have to make your points clear or they are going to be picked at. Don't start calling me names because you didn't come up with an argument intelligent enough to counter my point. And love, if I was being a bitch, you'd definately know about it. But I tend to refrain from calling others names as it's not a very nice thing to do.

And Ninja'd by Bez. :stare:

 

[Serah]

My mistake for not making it clearer in my first post. Had I know you don't have the ability to pick up on small context clues I definitely would have zeroed in on them a lot more. I assumed that the "but I have yet to meet them" would have been your biggest clue. So no, I am stumbling over nothing, and you are simply being a bitch for the sake of being one.

Bez, the way you state that means that even women themselves cannot make a judgment on this because there is no way they know enough other women. That being said, NOBODY here can be right or wrong, so the entire point is moot. So I guess that no more can possibly be said here.

I acknowledge Bez has already warned you but I will intervene on this. I will not and I mean NOT tolerate you nor anybody else going around this site calling people names and insulting them. That is breaking a direct rule on this site, I don't care how angry you are. If you feel you're being personally attacked, PM a moderator before you go throwing around insulting swear words.

I will also not sit by while you call Neliel Tu a bitch either. I'm quite set on infracting you, but as this is Bez's section and he has no intention on it, I'll let it go unless he gives me permission. If I ever see you or anybody for that matter call somebody a name like this on the forums ever again, I will not hesitate to infract you WITHOUT prior warning.

 

[Bun]

For the purpose of the discussion at hand, disregarding issues such as gender identity/confusion, this topic is automatically biased by the fact that no woman can be a man and no man can be a woman. So obviously guys are going to either think they have it worse because they have to "suffer" both what men have to go through and what women project at them, or they're going to feel empathetic and say that women have it worse if they're not so self-centered. The same goes for a woman who might think that a man will never know the pain she has to endure; therefore, he will never understand what it feels like and or, in turn, feel sympathetic ('cause we women are just so much more nurturing, caring and understanding

).

As a woman, I'm going to say we have it pretty bad, but not exactly the "worst". I can't say that because I don't know what it's like to be a man, so it's really not my place. However, being a woman that's not as emotional as some other women can be. I generally like to think of myself as being in control of my emotions and all the stereotypes that come along with being a woman. Although we have been assigned different tasks related to our genders, we all have to deal with the results some way or another at some point in our lives. Frankly, I think it's unfair to ask which gender suffers the worse. But as humans we are equally vein, pretentious, selfish, blah blah blah I could go on.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

lol Bun, you're not wrong in your first paragraph but everyone is always biased no matter how objective they try to be. We understand there is bias. Always will be in every subject. Using that logic, we shouldn't discuss any topic because everyone's perspective is always flawed. I'm just asking for your opinion... not necessarily the truth.

And mods, I appreciate you trying to keep this topic clean and focused... but couldn't you have done it in PMs? This place looks like a train wreck. Big bolded ranting paragraphs everywhere that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

 

[Bun]

lol Bun, you're not wrong in your first paragraph but everyone is always biased no matter how objective they try to be. We understand there is bias. Always will be in every subject. Using that logic, we shouldn't discuss any topic because everyone's perspective is always flawed. I'm just asking for your opinion... not necessarily the truth.

That's kinda like saying that just because it's true means it cannot be someones opinion. I thought I was giving my opinion despite it being quite obvious. In case my "opinion" wasn't clear enough, I said I think it's unfair to say one gender has it harder than another because we can't really know unless we've experienced it for ourselves.

 

[Gaige]

I think both sides have it badly.

Men, even today, often feel obliged to project an image of strength and masculinity which they cannot permanantly live up to. They also see themselves or are seen as the more physically strong sex, and as a result physical perfection becomes a must.

Women, however, are even more affected by the growing need for beauty. Plastic surgery and breast jobs are on the up, and less women-and men- are happy with who they truly are. Also, even now, many women are expected to be the mother and the housewife figure, and I have seen them ridiculed in the workplace more often than I would like to recount.

Overall, however, I think women have it worse, for a simple reason; teen pregnancies. If two fifteen year olds ended up as parents, the male is often left out of the horrific insults and often alienation and social separation that follows. The mother, who only wants the best for her child, is labelled with disgusting words.

 

[Serah]

And mods, I appreciate you trying to keep this topic clean and focused... but couldn't you have done it in PMs? This place looks like a train wreck. Big bolded ranting paragraphs everywhere that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Sure, we could have, but we chose not to. I'll thank you not to tell us where to do our modding in the future. We'll do it wherever we please, thanks.

 

[Shu]

How the heck did this turn into such a debate in the first place?

I mean I see how it can be very biased as I last posted, but to be honest how much can one argue about it? If you are a guy, ask yourself.. have you ever dated a girl/lady past 2 months?

If so, how can you make even the most logical of points that men have it rougher than women as a whole?

I mean I already sited how men can and will have it worst in some departments but as a general whole.. how the heck can you argue that men have it worse?

I mean the living hell I've seen girls go through when they break down from the pressure while around their period. The type of psychological, self-enforced pressure that one puts herself through is like HOLY CRAP MAN! If I ever lived a day in those shoes I'd feel like as if I needed to take a bunch of pills to keep me even leveled.

Here's the thing though.. if you are with the girl, it is more rewarding for her to have someone to take it out on (this is a joke, laugh) than to put it all on herself. When you are actually there for her.. from what I've seen it's like a god send: 1) someone to talk to 2) someone to get close to 3) someone to yell at (har har, laugh). 4) someone to clean up when she needs rest..

I can only say this about us guys when it comes to mentality. We only need three things to survive..

1) Food
2) Our Rest
3) Our appetites quenched (sports, alcohol, sex every now and again)

We are simpletons in the emotional category.

As for the physical factors.. well yes we do have it harder sometimes.. but hey I would rather work 50+ hours a week at a dead end job than ever give birth or go through a period.. sorry.. but you can keep it. I love my manhood.

 

[Bun]

I'm quite surprised at the sheer number of women that you men have dated who experience these psychotic bouts of mood swings during that time of the month. Honestly, not EVERY girl out there has these ridiculous emotional break downs, and I am one of them. If I do experience any symptoms, it's usually that I'm just tired or in an incredible amount of pain (one time it got bad enough that I nearly fainted and had to be carried--literally--to the nearest hospital facility), and of course you're probably not gonna feel so hot after experiencing something like that. But I don't become a mega super bitch and make life for everyone around me a living hell.

Lol, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I feel rather sorry for you guys.

 

[M1ghty Mous3]

But you also have to remember, people vary. I myself, need to know that im not alone and isolated. Seeing as how depression runs in my family, mentaly i need more then your average person, in a way. But I suppose for your average man those needs are all thats required.

 

[The Witch]

Women suffer more. Why? 28 DAYS LATER it'll be a week of red, cramps, uncomfortable back aches, bloating, food cravings, and all the lame things you can think of.

But to be honest, I think both suffer just as much. I see what happens to men and stuff and realize I'm lucky to be able to wear such cute clothes, to give birth (when it's time), love boys (Yummm<3). But women are usually pressured to do stuff, while men seem to have it easier. But, I'm sure men are pressured just as much as we are. I just don't see it as much, that's all.

 

[Fusilli]

Well physically I'd say that women suffer the most, but that's no surprise to any of us.

I know that for all men don't suffer from this directly, some still do indirectly as they get the receiving end of women's mood swings. However, that is not to say that men obviously have it worse because they have to put up with us women, because when you're in a bad mood everybody that you talk to has to put up with you, men AND women, so it's not a valid argument.

I think guys sometimes have it worse though on the personal side of things. There's so much pressure for them to be all macho all the time and never show any weakness. Obviously as people get older they realise who they are and become more comfortable in their own skin, but it's got to be pretty difficult growing up. And girls have more freedom as well in the way that they dress and act, whereas if a guy dresses or acts flamboyantly then people would just call him a poof.

And then there's the whole gender equality thing as well. Women have come a long long way in the past few decades, but I think that feminism is sort of getting out of hand in ways. Now yes, I am a feminist myself to certain extents. With some people though it seems that they think you can bully men and make them feel inferior, and get away with it if you label it as feminism. Whereas men can't do this without the Feminist Brigade attacking him in return and giving an argument as to just why exactly all men have penises for brains etc.

And I think it kind of sucks that men get stereotyped as paedophiles or rapists so easily, they don't even need to do anything, if they so much as talk to a child they don't know then he clearly has some kind of agenda with it. People these days are just far too paranoid, I can't say I blame them mind you, but where do you draw the line between looking after your child and denying it any kind of freedom to make mistakes?! That's a completely different topic though. >_>

Although on the subject of stereotyping, everyone knows how guys can sleep around and be a 'stud' or whatever, but if a girl does then she's a slut. It's kind of crazy though (besides the obvious reason) because if girls didn't sleep around then there would be nobody for the guys to sleep around with...


So to sum up, both genders have it pretty shit so we should all kill ourselves and be done with it.

 

[Dark Tidus]

Being a guy, I voted women. I know they have periods and pregnancy to deal with, and I know guys are easily stereotyped and labeled. I'm sure we all know exactly how the argument goes. I'm pretty sure, at least in high school, that most guys are really terrible people and try to manipulate, exploit, and abuse each and every girl they can. I really think girls have it worse because they have to worry constantly about what they could be getting into. I've never been out in the real world so I don't know how that goes but in school guys suck, period.

 

[Southside of Bombay]

Both, life screws us all at the end of the day; we just get it all in different forms.

Apart from the select few that have plenty of Benjamins and family/friends to spare I suppose. And the typical household cat, I envy those bastards!

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

First a list of things women have to do:

* Give Birth
* Menstruate
* Get Papsmears
* Getting used to sex
* Menapause

Those a just a few things I can think of, off the top of my head at 4am in the morning.

But yeah I understand men have to put up with crap from girls such as myself Not all girls are complaining little bitches and I don't consider myself as such. However I can be unpleasant to live with at times and guys are definitely more easy-going in my opinion.

That's what shits us off e.g: I always have to initiate the tidying of the house

But yeah putting up with our annoying ways is a little price to pay for everything we do in my opinion.

we can get much more itchy and unconfortable than women can in the ol' pubic region...

Shave/wax it

 

[Kei]

Women in my honest opinion.

I mean women suffers from rape because apparently some of the men, are sick enough to just come at them and rape them, because they are weak compared to their physical strength.

Another thing, they are the ones who get pregnant and carry a baby in her belly for 9 months, I mean just imagine it Nonetheless when she gives birth to the child, it's almost as if she's wishing her death. <_<

I would go on about things but I don't like to post much. <.<

 

[Dolores Haze]

Women. Not only is there rape, menstruation and childbirth, but we have to deal with shit like self-image (which I know for a fact is worse than how men are affect by it, if at all). We're expected to have perfect hair and clear skin, and look like the people in the magazines.

I'd like to see a man get his legs, armpits, pubic region and bot-bot waxed and tell us we're whiners.

Although, I think men are getting a lot of shit about being sexist to women, which I think is happening less. Prejudice against women is becoming less frequent, and we're starting to wail on the men. But I still vote Women.

 

[Seed]

Men definitely have it worse. Our penises our so ugly compared to female parts.
(I'm just playing around...of course you women have it harder.)
Btw momo...I don't expect any woman to be perfect.
Men that think that way are idiots.
Big fat retards, and they deserve to get fat and die by choking on a donut.
(I'm making things up to sound interesting or something)
(I'm failing epically aren't I?)