Well, I'd say this was a good I dead if they were actually cutting them off instead of using chemicals to reduce sex drive
I guess it could work.But hey, that's what the Cradle robbers get.
Poland to castrate Pedophiles.
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Well, I'd say this was a good I dead if they were actually cutting them off instead of using chemicals to reduce sex drive
I guess it could work.But hey, that's what the Cradle robbers get.
Well... using chemicals is the humane way of going about it rather than just chopping it off... But is chemical castration really as effective as physical? Then again.. why is this just for pedos? Why not all rapists?
I think that's pretty fucked up. All rape isn't even forcible, sometimes it's just statutory via mistake of age. If I remember correctly, some state in the US (a long time ago) had a similar law in the past but the SC struck it down as unconstitutional.
That's like cutting off a thief's hands for stealing. Why limit it to just rapes? There are better ways to go about doing this than some draconian "eye for an eye" method. But that's Poland's decision.
That's like cutting off a thief's hands for stealing. Why limit it to just rapes? There are better ways to go about doing this than some draconian "eye for an eye" method. But that's Poland's decision.
I'm in 2 minds about this. Of course I don't want other children to fall victim to an already convicted pedophile, but on the other hand, I believe that once you've been convicted and served your term, your debt to society should be considered repaid.
I'm all for chemical castration as a treatment offer to convicted pedophiles upon release, and perhaps even compulsory chemical castration for repeat offenders, but this just seems a bit too excessive.
I'm all for chemical castration as a treatment offer to convicted pedophiles upon release, and perhaps even compulsory chemical castration for repeat offenders, but this just seems a bit too excessive.
I'm against complete castration as I think that is purely barbaric. I'm not sure about chemical therapy either. I mean on the one hand it may prevent them from acting again, I believe prison should exist to try and rehabilitate criminals so they can properly function in society once they get out of prison. Chemical therapy would probably work in favor of this function. But this idea of chemical therapy has two issues imo.
Firstly, this bears an eerie resemblance to A Clockwork Orange. If a pedophile is released from prison with the intention to act again, would this chemical treatment do anything if they ultimately wished to have sex with children. Personally I think if an offender is truly remorseful, they wouldn't need chemical treatment.
Secondly, why is it only pedophiles? Why not murderers etc?
At the end of the day I can't say I'm particularly in favor of this. Prison should serve as a way to rehabilitate individuals so they can function properly in society. Individuals who have served time should be given a second chance to live life how they wish regardless of what they've done. However, I guess I would be in favor of optional chemical treatment where offenders could voluntarily undergo this treatment.
Firstly, this bears an eerie resemblance to A Clockwork Orange. If a pedophile is released from prison with the intention to act again, would this chemical treatment do anything if they ultimately wished to have sex with children. Personally I think if an offender is truly remorseful, they wouldn't need chemical treatment.
Secondly, why is it only pedophiles? Why not murderers etc?
At the end of the day I can't say I'm particularly in favor of this. Prison should serve as a way to rehabilitate individuals so they can function properly in society. Individuals who have served time should be given a second chance to live life how they wish regardless of what they've done. However, I guess I would be in favor of optional chemical treatment where offenders could voluntarily undergo this treatment.
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I was just about to bring that up
They deserve everything they get. As long as it's proven without a shadow of a doubt.
If folk are gunna do shit like that to a child, or indeed anyone really, then I have absolutely no issue with it. It can leave people scarred for life, children especially, it's fucked up and disgusting - if you're gunna do summat like that, then you should accept the consequences when you get found out
Not always the case though. But yeah..
I say go for it, if it doesnt work then it doesnt work. If it proves to be effective then maybe other countries can follow in Polands lead.
Il admit i think it sounds like wishfull thinking. People who do these things arent right in the head, can you really help somone like that by doping them up.........pfffft i guess its worth a try.
Pffft......
Laguna why you gotta be like that dude?
Aint right in the head indeed, if we were to kill them all that would not eliminate the problem either because other people would fill the void with something similar and just as perverse.
What is needed is to identify the genes resposnible for these traits and eliminate them
from the genome and future generations.
Laguna why you gotta be like that dude?
Aint right in the head indeed, if we were to kill them all that would not eliminate the problem either because other people would fill the void with something similar and just as perverse.
What is needed is to identify the genes resposnible for these traits and eliminate them
from the genome and future generations.
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The problem is in the mind, not in the penis.
If a person had previously sexually assaulted and harmed kids, even with a reduced sex drive the person might not necessarily give up exploiting or harming kids. They might still play out their fantasies.
To me this is completely the wrong way to go about this problem. They need to find its source, find out why certain individuals are inclined this way and why their minds are structured in such a way and see if there is anything that can be done to help them. As has been said in another thread not all paedophiles act upon their urges, and most would try to deny them even to themselves, acting confused and conflicted for their whole lives, or part of their lives.
Acting on it is different, but even chemical treatment for repeated offenders isn’t getting the root of the problem. They need to sort out the problems in the mind and then they can be released back into society free from what torments their mind and try to live as normal a life as possible (at least under a new identity, and after serving their time if they had indeed raped a child). Not only that but it will also help other paedophiles who have not acted on it, and they wouldn’t need to live in fear of one day getting castrated. Even if any knowledge of how to solve the problem in the mind isn’t possible in the near future I still doubt that this can work as a temporary solution, or even that it is right.
Also, it is dangerous to label people as ‘degenerates’ or ‘creatures’. It suggests that they are no longer considered human, and instead of getting to the root of the problem and trying to figure out what can be done they are separated from the rest of society making some people think that it is ok to do whatever to them as if they no longer matter. If Tusk has been quoted right then that’s unfortunate as it is labels like this that can actually encourage paedophiles to flip out and act upon their urges as they themselves feel isolated from society, may feel as if it had abandoned them and then cease to care about holding back.
If a person had previously sexually assaulted and harmed kids, even with a reduced sex drive the person might not necessarily give up exploiting or harming kids. They might still play out their fantasies.
To me this is completely the wrong way to go about this problem. They need to find its source, find out why certain individuals are inclined this way and why their minds are structured in such a way and see if there is anything that can be done to help them. As has been said in another thread not all paedophiles act upon their urges, and most would try to deny them even to themselves, acting confused and conflicted for their whole lives, or part of their lives.
Acting on it is different, but even chemical treatment for repeated offenders isn’t getting the root of the problem. They need to sort out the problems in the mind and then they can be released back into society free from what torments their mind and try to live as normal a life as possible (at least under a new identity, and after serving their time if they had indeed raped a child). Not only that but it will also help other paedophiles who have not acted on it, and they wouldn’t need to live in fear of one day getting castrated. Even if any knowledge of how to solve the problem in the mind isn’t possible in the near future I still doubt that this can work as a temporary solution, or even that it is right.
Also, it is dangerous to label people as ‘degenerates’ or ‘creatures’. It suggests that they are no longer considered human, and instead of getting to the root of the problem and trying to figure out what can be done they are separated from the rest of society making some people think that it is ok to do whatever to them as if they no longer matter. If Tusk has been quoted right then that’s unfortunate as it is labels like this that can actually encourage paedophiles to flip out and act upon their urges as they themselves feel isolated from society, may feel as if it had abandoned them and then cease to care about holding back.
Shuttup Galaxy, honestly. I never even mentioned killing them, do fff a favour and read my posts first.
Not that im against the idea mind you, but thats a tad off topic.
Well your solution is great.....except for the fact thats just not gunna happen is it?
I would say actual castration is a bit too medieval to practice on prisoners. Nowadays, as shown here, we have drugs for everything. So we don't need to go cutting off peoples' scrotes.
I do think that this punishment would act as a very good deterrent for these types of criminals though, because just going to prison doesn't seem to be enough anymore, people aren't as afraid of it.
I would think though, that even if this was a permanent solution, there would be those who would act again simply out of spite if they were let free immediately after being robbed of their manhood, so that might end up being a bit paradoxical.
I do think that this punishment would act as a very good deterrent for these types of criminals though, because just going to prison doesn't seem to be enough anymore, people aren't as afraid of it.
I would think though, that even if this was a permanent solution, there would be those who would act again simply out of spite if they were let free immediately after being robbed of their manhood, so that might end up being a bit paradoxical.
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To be perfectly honest this is actually a good way at dealing with it. Chemical Castration sounds most excellent. Though I know pedophiles (let's keep the two threads separate) have more of a sexual attraction/ love of kids. So if they act on it, only then should this be applied. Odd how some kids are attracted to much older individuals, and I have a few of these as friends (well that are my age, but at the age of 13/14 they were always saying how hot the older woman/man was etc.. etc..). Not purely for fame, money, but rather for looks.
However, some rapists though, unless proven completely guilty I would think it's harsh. I know there are a lot of whistle blowers (literally now thanks to the rape whistle). When the guy doesn't call a girl back, it's sad that sometimes she says "rape" like the boy who cried wolf, since she felt used, even if at first it was purely consensual. I remember my bud had this happen to him when we were 16 and they had been dating for like... 3 months and having sexual activity. (because he tried to leave her).
So yes to all pedophiles, and no to some cases of Rape.
However, some rapists though, unless proven completely guilty I would think it's harsh. I know there are a lot of whistle blowers (literally now thanks to the rape whistle). When the guy doesn't call a girl back, it's sad that sometimes she says "rape" like the boy who cried wolf, since she felt used, even if at first it was purely consensual. I remember my bud had this happen to him when we were 16 and they had been dating for like... 3 months and having sexual activity. (because he tried to leave her).
So yes to all pedophiles, and no to some cases of Rape.
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Cunt!
I think, after first trying therapy and any other techniques, and after determining the probability for the individual offender to repeat their offense, that it's fine to consider. Reducing testosterone levels by removing the genitals that cause the chemical produced in the brain has been shown effective for quite some time now. And the percentage drop is immense (look it up).
Now, I'm not terribly sure what the evidence says about how much testosterone comes into play in regards to sexual deviancy, so I can't really lean more towards one way or another. There is also chemical castration.
Now, I'm not terribly sure what the evidence says about how much testosterone comes into play in regards to sexual deviancy, so I can't really lean more towards one way or another. There is also chemical castration.
Laguna.....the hell?
I didnt say you suggested killing them all, that was my point buddy!
And why wont it happen?
Splicing in and out of the genetic code of people "afflicted" with these problems may help them lead productive lives, Clearly imprisoning them does not work and some kind of mental or genetic manipulation may need to take place.
Look at how many of these sick fucks re-offend when they are released, get rid of it from there minds and the effect they have on children who sometimes go on to commit these acts will drop.
Leaving the only cause of its existence to be born in new generations, because it is either caused by mental, environmental imbalances or having been pushed from an outside source.
And with advancements in the study of Neuro Psychology, it will be possible to eliminate this disgusting strait of humanity from the world.
Sorry for the misunderstanding........
I didnt say you suggested killing them all, that was my point buddy!
And why wont it happen?
Splicing in and out of the genetic code of people "afflicted" with these problems may help them lead productive lives, Clearly imprisoning them does not work and some kind of mental or genetic manipulation may need to take place.
Look at how many of these sick fucks re-offend when they are released, get rid of it from there minds and the effect they have on children who sometimes go on to commit these acts will drop.
Leaving the only cause of its existence to be born in new generations, because it is either caused by mental, environmental imbalances or having been pushed from an outside source.
And with advancements in the study of Neuro Psychology, it will be possible to eliminate this disgusting strait of humanity from the world.
Sorry for the misunderstanding........
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Here is a source on that subject: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf (If you can't be stuffed reading it all just go to page 41 which details the rearrest rate for Child molesters) Basically it states that out of 4,295 child molesters who were released from prison in 1994 only 1.3% of them were rearrested for rape and only 4.4% for sexual assault.GalaxyFlare said:
and there is also this guy; http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060516_predator_panic.html Unfortunately he doesn't cite his evidence but he still raises some interesting points.
Since the recidivism rate for sex offenses is significantly low amongst child molesters I don't think compulsory chemical therapy is necessary.
On a side note this article presents some interesting theories on rape in general: http://www.insideprison.com/Sex-Offending-and-Offenders.aspGalaxyFlare said:
I find the part at the end where he talks about cognitive-behavioral therapy particularly interesting. I think this kind of therapy should be offered in prisons (not just for sex offenders either). One of the main things it focuses on is victim empathy. I think this would do significantly more good than forced chemical castration because cognitive therapy aims to give offenders a new perspective on their crimes so offenders will be less likely to re-offend. Chemical castration on the other hand is naively trying to make it impossible for them to re-offend.
If you take away a man's tools to commit a crime, it won't mean shit if this man still desires to commit the crime.
I think what I was saying is more of an end game kind of result.
When we think about the desired outcome of cognitive behaviour therapy, its is to put the offenders on a path to some form of recovery. But when it comes right down to it, its a label that people will never be comfortable with both the offender,victim and Parents of children.
Parents are going to care about there children first everytime and the struggles of these people(Pedos,Rapist) will mean little to nothing, how will CBT help stop some guy from beating the living crap out of a released offender if they are near his children.
Its not and nor should it, its right to want to stamp it out its natural. As normal as it is for them, its normal for Men and Women to protect there children.
When we think about the desired outcome of cognitive behaviour therapy, its is to put the offenders on a path to some form of recovery. But when it comes right down to it, its a label that people will never be comfortable with both the offender,victim and Parents of children.
Parents are going to care about there children first everytime and the struggles of these people(Pedos,Rapist) will mean little to nothing, how will CBT help stop some guy from beating the living crap out of a released offender if they are near his children.
Its not and nor should it, its right to want to stamp it out its natural. As normal as it is for them, its normal for Men and Women to protect there children.