I myself am fifteen years old. Do I not know anything about life, just because I'm underage?
Also, if it is a consentual relationship their body isn't being "used".
Pedophilia - Is it wrong?
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I myself am fifteen years old. Do I not know anything about life, just because I'm underage?
Also, if it is a consentual relationship their body isn't being "used".
i know what youre getting at. for instance you are in a relationship with a 22 year old (just an example), its not legal but its not paedophilia since you're not prepubescent. i dont know the legal differences but i think thats what youre getting at?
in britain the legal age (for females) is 16, though some would argue that you dont just suddenly mature when you hit 16. underage sex is rife everywhere i think and it's a completely different kettle of fish even if you're talking about 15 year old girl with a 22 year old guy.
performing any sexual act on a prepubescent child is definitely wrong, not that i'd condone it with a person who's going through puberty but isnt of legal age, but like i said, different kettle of fish.
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Pedophilia is kind of a vague term. If we're talking people targeting prepubescent kids, it's totally wrong. Their bodies aren't fully developed for proper sex, and so they shouldn't be used for it to any degree.
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I understand your veiw being fifteen as you are ,but it is being used if it is by an older person.....You think waiting a few years is going to kill someone?
It wont.
Ive never agreed with an older person being with someone who's so young it immoral and indecent.
How do you think your parents would react if a man 40years old wanted to date you?
My dear its just not right.....anyway I look at it.
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In the situation posted in the OP, to me it's obviously wrong. Not because it was a young child but because it was sexual assault so it's wrong regardless of age. I wouldn't go as far as some people do saying things like cutting their hands off and shooting them but I would definitely want them brought to justice.
As for whether pedophilia is wrong... then I'm unsure. Most of the time we see examples of sexual assault on young children and so most of them time we assume it's like that all the time. I can see where Sakura is coming from... if they were consenting then I'm not sure what grounds I could say it was wrong... I would basically be saying it's wrong because it is, which isn't an argument. One for prepubescent children would be stronger I think.
If you're going to say a child can't consent because they don't know enough about the world then you could say that about many people. It's not like when you turn 18 some flip switches which gives you the ability to make good judgements.
As for whether pedophilia is wrong... then I'm unsure. Most of the time we see examples of sexual assault on young children and so most of them time we assume it's like that all the time. I can see where Sakura is coming from... if they were consenting then I'm not sure what grounds I could say it was wrong... I would basically be saying it's wrong because it is, which isn't an argument. One for prepubescent children would be stronger I think.
If you're going to say a child can't consent because they don't know enough about the world then you could say that about many people. It's not like when you turn 18 some flip switches which gives you the ability to make good judgements.
I was just asking that since it seemed like Ether was saying that just because someone is young they don't know anything about sex, or life in general.
I wasn't trying to use myself as an example, because you're right, a 22 year old man being in a relationship with me wouldn't be pedophilia.
This thread isn't about rape. I'd say "using" someone's body is a better term used in an argument about rape. Just because someone is older than you doesn't mean that they are using your body for sex.
Really, by posting so much in this thread, I'm just trying to get someone to explain why pedophilia is so "disgusting". I haven't seen a valid reason in anyone's posts. Apparently, just because it isn't legal, it's not right or natural.
Æon Flux
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Pedophilia is disgusting because in general it brings to mind a man in his 40's having sex with someone who's 7 and if you cant find the wrong in that you need help
An older teen is a highly different topic.
When I think of a pedophile I think of a child not a teenager.
Perhaps people think of their own situations befor others?
But yeah for the most part when I think of a pedophile I think of an actual child.
A 15 year old getting freaky with their significant other is an entirley different topic than a thirteen year old getting freaky with someone.
But when the term Pedophile springs to mind I think "Child"
Yes it is about age.Entirely
We're not getting anywhere with you just saying that you think it's disgusting. As for that insult... I don't "need help", I'm trying to get a reason out of someone here as to why it's so "disgusting".
Pedophilic relationships aren't always going to be 40 year old men and 7 year old girls. The older person in the pedophilic relationship could be as young as 18. That is considered an adult.
Didn't I just say that I wasn't using myself as an example? I know someone older than I having a sexual relationship with me is not pedophilia. I understand that.
Which is why I bring up the example of cartoon pornography as a suitable replacement for the actual deed. If it wasn't for that industry I'm sure the incidents of child molestation would skyrocket. People don't "choose" to have these fetishes, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with pedophilia if it doesn't involve actual sexual relations/interactions with children.
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the term pedophilia just implies a disorder within a person where they are attracted sexually to pre-pubescent children, not necessarily sexual abuse against children; that is child sexual abuse but it is getting more and more known as pedophilic behavior which is why people are getting misunderstood with the definition.
it's worth pointing out that not all child offenders, after tests, meet the standards of a pedophile, so the two aren't 100% linked together.
and every example I'm seeing in here is of old men; women pedophiles do exist as well.
My opinion is that sexual abuse towards children is wrong and disgusting as there is a great likelihood that they will be traumatized. pedophilia is a psychological disorder; I don't know whether to call it right or wrong as it's not that person's decision, but once they abuse a child they should be punished.
it's worth pointing out that not all child offenders, after tests, meet the standards of a pedophile, so the two aren't 100% linked together.
and every example I'm seeing in here is of old men; women pedophiles do exist as well.
My opinion is that sexual abuse towards children is wrong and disgusting as there is a great likelihood that they will be traumatized. pedophilia is a psychological disorder; I don't know whether to call it right or wrong as it's not that person's decision, but once they abuse a child they should be punished.
It's only a "disorder" if it's unhealthy to the person affected by it. Schizophrenia is a disorder, manic depression is a disorder, for the most part sexual attractions are not. Most pedophiles do not want to change and have no good reason to. By calling it a disorder you might as well label homosexuality/transexualism in the same category, which we know as a society is completely ridiculous.
i spose it depends on the culture but i think for the most part western cultures reserve certain things for adults (because we're supposed to be wise and know not to abuse stuff) like sex, alcohol/smoking/drugs in general i dunno if this is some attempt to distance ourselves from animals (certainly with regards to sex since for most species i think incest is normal, but thats just a term we made up for relationships between human family members because we're special...er than animals? 
so i dont imagine age would come into the equation.)
but from a biological point of view sex is for procreation and the chances of a 7 year old getting pregnant are very slim so its obviously about an older person taking advantage of a person who has no possible reason to be having sex or even to desire it. its preying on someone who in all likelihood doesnt understand sex and almost definitely cant deter you from forcing them into it...i think that all makes sense?
so i dont imagine age would come into the equation.)but from a biological point of view sex is for procreation and the chances of a 7 year old getting pregnant are very slim so its obviously about an older person taking advantage of a person who has no possible reason to be having sex or even to desire it. its preying on someone who in all likelihood doesnt understand sex and almost definitely cant deter you from forcing them into it...i think that all makes sense?
It depends entirely on what moral code you follow and why you believe these things. Not that I'd ever imagine condoning paedophilia, but in some countries, religions, cultures and societies the involvement of a nine year old girl in sexual relations isn't wrong nor frowned upon.
There was a documentary on the Taliban I watched recently detailing their influence over middle eastern communities in which there was a man sitting in a circle surrounded by other prominent members of the community detailing how he had just married his 3rd wife and that she was only eight years old. When the presenter questioned the moral integrity of such a decision the entire circle promptly pointed to quotes in the Qu'ran (Islamic holy scriptures) justifying it.
So I suppose it's about what you believe to be right and wrong. In which I firmly believe in the latter, but not everyone does :dave:
I couldn't agree more.
And that is what we're talking about.
Pedophilia is disgusting and wrong because it's usually children under the age of 13. A child under that age limit cannot fend for themselves nor know right from wrong. If a pedophilia relationshop is wanted by both or not, it's still wrong.
The child's body is immature and cannot take the sexual acts of of an adult. They do not understand the meaning and body changing affect sex has. Pedophiles get off on kids because they love thinking about taking their innocence.
Asking me to explain why pedophilia is wrong is like asking me to explain why murder is wrong. It's wrong because it harms someone.
Yes there is something wrong with it. No way around it. Even Japan is banning the "Lolies". If a person fantasizes about something they're going to act on that attraction and fantasy.
It's the thought of taking away the child's innocence most pedophiles are attracted to.
And that still doesn't explain it. If it's consentual, it's not harmful. End of.
Pedophilia is not just the acts of raping a child or getting off on taking their innocence. Pedophilia can be used in a situation where an adult is sexually attracted to a child but doesn't do anything about it. Now, is that harming anyone?
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There's a difference between paedophilia and having sex with children. It's no different from people who love inanimate objects. Having sex with kiddies is different. It's usually considered bad etc etc but it doesn't necessarilt make you a paedophile. Geoffrey Leonard is, for others it could just be a crime of opportunity rather than deliberately targeting children.
So no, I don't think paedophilia is necessarily bad, as long as they aren't fucking kids I have no problem wit them.
So no, I don't think paedophilia is necessarily bad, as long as they aren't fucking kids I have no problem wit them.
Oh, yea. You're right. If it's a 16-18 year old with an adult willingly, there isn't anything wrong with it. Because both want it.
But if it's some guy watching a 7 year old girl(the age most pedophiles like most)play in a swimming pool, then acts on that attraction to either the little girl or by themselves--they're a freak.
Æon Flux
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Then they are yet to be a sexual preditor and it is still wrong.
Would YOU care to explain how its right for a person to be sexualy attracted to a prepubesent child? And since the term encomapsses the WHOLE category of pedophilic behavior please explain why its ok to have sexual urges toward a child between the ages of birth and legal age.
Not quite. Consent can allow someone further in than one could ever have imagined. The idea that underage participants can't give consent is that they can't fully understand the emotional effects of the act and how it could effect their subconcious.
The same ideal has been implemented in Republics across human history, based on the idea that you have to 'earn' a vote, as it were, seeing as there were usually more ignorant voters than non.
The same 'ignorant' principle is the main factor behind the nannying of the younger generation in western laws today.
But whether it's wrong is an entirely different ball game. Spartans found the grooming and indeed sexual involvement of the younger generation (we're talking child soldiers here) would improve loyalty to one's fellow Spartan and would boost trust and humility in their ranks and in fairness to them, it worked a treat. :dave:
Well, since you asked so nicely I'll share my opinion.
I don't think that pedophilia is wrong as long as they are not commiting voilent crimes. Once a person with pedophilic thoughts rapes or sexually assaults a minor, then I lose the respect/trust that I would have in them. Only at that point have they gone too far.
I don't have a problem with a pedophile who doesn't commit acts of voilence on an innocent child. People who have pedophilic thoughts have committed no crime, at least in my eyes.
It's all a matter of sexual preference. Some younger kids are attracted to older men/women. Is that wrong?
I see where you're coming from. I worded what I was trying to say wrong.
However, I still am not convinced that a consentual relationship between a young child and an older adult is wrong. If somewhere along the line, the adult goes too far and the child isn't comfortable with it, then yes, it should stop. Merely having pedophilic thoughts (and thus being a pedophile) isn't wrong.