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If anything, companies are going to lose even more profits on video games if that passes. People see proper footage of the games in action, then they're going to want to actually buy the game if they like what they see. Its unofficial advertising, but its still advertising nonetheless: it spreads the word, and more people will buy it as a result. I don't see the harm in spreading things like Let's Play guides about either: they're considerably more detailed and often easier to understand than official guides; if companies aren't willing to provide a service like that, I don't see why they should bitch at people who are.

Speaking for myself, given how utterly unreliable and biased every single games magazine and "official" review site in existence is towards certain franchises and titles, gameplay videos (not just the snippets trailers give us, REAL gameplay videos) are one of my ways of judging whether or not I want to buy a lot of games that are being released these days. Taking that away is going to make it extremely difficult to know what to buy.

I highly doubt they'll pass that though and, even if they do, I doubt it will change anything. Its just yet another way for the government to pretend they care about copyright that they in reality have no real control over. To censor the internet you'd have to completely remove it from existence. Its a stupid, unfeasible idea and it isn't going to happen.
 
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My opinion agrees with Kaine's. <_< People are paranoid. Politicians are being as they always are, aka stupid and completely out of touch with reality.
 
On one part I don't buy this utter bullshit, but then there's the possibility that it could happen...which is completely dumb. If this bill somehow gets passed, then it's going to do more bad than good, and honestly, I don't see the point in it. If anything, it can prevent piracy(which I shamefully do), but aside that, I really don't see much good it could do. I like my youtube, and not like I not buy my music - which I do.


Meh, we'll see what the congress will do. Those idiots. >.>
 
theres another thing as the guy mentioned in the vid any E3 vids posted by anyone other than the gaming companies will also be included under this stupid bill.

and i agree with all of you and the thing is this bill will be passed probably since they are too out of touch with the outside world and so will do it and after like a few months see the economic and social downturns and then take for ever to either overturn it or ammend it.

not only that but as the guy mentions in the vid a lot of other things will get tacked on to the bill that don't relate to the bloody thing making it even harder to change

i would like to urge everyone to spread the vid around to get this out there to get the dumb ass congress to pull their fingers out of their asses and realise that unless they word this bill correctly its gonna do more harm than good
 
i think its only american but it will probably cause a domino effect of companies in other contries around the world making congressmen support this bill causing the eventual censoring of the internet
 
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i think its only american but it will probably cause a domino effect of companies in other contries around the world making congressmen support this bill causing the eventual censoring of the internet
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Sad thing is that it will probably happen.

Then more than half of the internet will crumble.

life. i hate you so.
 
Hurray for politicians. Hurray for powerful lobbyists always thinking about money. Hurray for the government in general. And ironic as well. In a bid to protect some big movie businesses, they could potentially create a bill that could wreck a lot of other businesses. I do highly doubt that the bill would be passed in its current form though, if it's still early on in the legislative process and most bills go nowhere. There's still time and opportunity for the standing committees to scrutinise it in all kinds of hearings and to amend it, though if that does little to mitigate the bill, then that would be total proof to tell us that Capitol Hill really is full of morons unable to do their jobs properly. With all these possible repurcussions though, you will need an extremely dumb Congress not to spot them and heavily consider them.

If for whatever reason it does get passed, then it's bye bye Youtube for me. I visit Youtube primarily for music videos, film trailers, random TV show clips and game footages. If they go, then what's really left of Youtube worth going on for then? As for games (presumably it will affect us too if a site like Youtube is to suffer), how would I properly know for myself whether Game X is any good or whether Game Y is rubbish or not? Download demos? But then not all games have playable demos, and that's just for my PS3. Buy monthly magazines? Oh yeah, a few screenshots and the words of some dick who probably has no idea what he is on about will be very informative, I'm sure. Then we can also forget about E3 or TGS because we wouldn't really be allowed to watch the live stream coverage. You can forget about that whole freedom of speech/information thing then, we may as well move to a country that enjoys censoring the crap out of everything on the internet. Buuut, I doubt this would ultimately happen - or at the very least, happen permanently. Congressmen value their seats after all...

EDIT: Though I suppose if you were someone like Machinima you can get a foreign host for video hosting if the worst comes. :olivia:
 
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the whole problem is the fact that they don't need to be dumb they only need to be out of touch with the world and right now not one of those douchers is noticing that by letting those few words slip by they could possibly ruin the economy because a lot of people will be all like

"oh i don't know if this game is good this magazine says it is but this website says it sucks and i don't know how the game looks or how you play it oh well i better not risk it, it could be bad"

that is probably what many gamers will be reduced to and not to mention the poor people like myself who can't go to E3 who rely on live streaming and the ability to see many new games through other peoples channels. what would happen to us is that we will be kept in the dark until a game came out hurting the economy even more

one more thing is this will raise unemployment rates dramatically because many people rely on gaming commentary videos, achievement/trophy guides, walkthroughs and reviewing games as their main source of income what would happen to them they'd be left out on there asses unemployed and not knowing what to do in life.

but the worst thing is this will go unnoticed and when they finally realise the affects it would already be too late
 
I don't think the bill will make a major difference even if it is passed.

Let's suppose it does get passed; banning all copyrighted gaming footage from being uploaded without permission.
If the live streaming of tournaments, E3, independant reviews etc etc are effective advertising tools then gaming companies will probably grant people permission to upload this stuff. Why would they not want people to promote their products for free?
 
the whole problem with that is the scale of people who do this and so every gaming company in the world will need to give individual permission to everyone as each person is different and it will give games more power to make any reviews more biased and get rid of any cheats or glitch footage for those gamers that use them

cheats i can live without but glitches for zombies is something i need cause its hard enough as it is but without glitches altogether it just becomes much harder still not really important

another thing is gaming companies will need to check each person who wants to do any gameplay footage to make sure they won't abuse the power to upload footage this overall increases the time it'll take to get the videos to start coming back

another thing is if the bill is passed they will strip away all gaming vids and either delete them or secure them so as they cannot be accessed meaning any vids before the bill will be gone and we will need to start from scratch. now normally i wouldn't think anyone would be stupid enough not to keep a way to put all the vids back where they were if the bill gets overturned or ammended but then i'd be assuming that those mindless douchers in congress who are debating about this stupid bill actually had a brain. if they did then they would probably notice the wording of the bill is wrong

even if they kept a copy of all the vids how long do you think it would take to put back basically half the internet
 
I think all of this is extreme BS. I am in no way thinking that the politicians and government are good guys because this has to be one of the most stupid and atrocious things I ever heard of. Watching gameplay on youtube or anywhere else of a game I like in hopes of buying DOES NOT hurt others. I love to watch E3 and TGS, comicon etc. Now because of this crap all that will not be able to be watched. Which also means that the only way of seeing the new games would be to go to the event itself which is extreme bullshit. Honestly I do not see how the hell this hurts anybody. Video game streams are nothing but baits to help you buy a game. I can not watch somebody kicking ass in a game because I feel like it? BS! If for whatever reason.. this does go through. It will have a huge effect on everyone. Gamers or whoever. Downloading Demos is shit. Honestly we do not have to waste time on a demo when we could find a simple gameplay video of a game we look forward to. Also I agree with Livi on the monthly video game magazines bit. That is absolutely shit and will not help. Martel said most of it as well. The government is just frickin lame. They are always doing shit. Really? How the fuck can video game streams hurt people?
 
It almost certainly won't go through, and if it does it will be almost unrecognisable. The US has loads of nonsense bills proposed all the time, which is why such a small number ever go through (about 2 - 5 % in most terms), and there have been a lot of bills in both the US and the EU recently concerning internet censorship, copyright laws, net neutrality, etc. which have been mostly extremely unsuccessful. Due to the fact that this would likely hurt corporate interests a lot more than it would protect them, I can't see this getting past a policy specialist standing committee without becoming very very watered down, so much so that no one would take notice of it even if by some miracle it did get through. Building upon that, I disagree with the idea that this would create some sort of domino affect in other parts of the world, certainly not in developed Asian countries like Japan, Taiwan or South Korea judging by their cultures, and not in Europe, because of numerous practical issues and opposition groups, mostly European Citizen Rights groups who have traditionally been very much against policy influenced by the US Government or industry.
 
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true enough

i think you missed the whole reason the bill is going up its primary function is to remove movies, TV shows and all copyrighted footage from the internet to help prevent piracy (which i would support cause pirating does need to stop as it does fuck with the economy). Now the whole problem is with the wording of the bill, the part where the wording is fucked is the "all copyrighted footage" bit which basically means any footage of a copyrighted item is subject to the effects of the bill (not exact words of the bill).

for this reason this bill has a great chance of passing because the only people in the ears of the congressman are basically every person that has a hand in this. these people being movie companies, TV broadcasters, producers, etc.

the whole problem is the congressman are so busy listening to them that they haven't noticed the mistake in the bill.

they may notice it but knowing them they won't. the other problem is a shitload of other things unrelated to the bill might be tacked on to it make it harder for this bill to either be rejected or at least fixed

not to get all selfish but knowing australia if this does go through australia will follow america and try the bill on australians and since gaming doesn't make up that much of our economy will probably go past unnotice.

hooray for australia kissing america's fucking ass
 
Congressmen never know the full details of every bill they vote on, it's not realistic to expect them to considering the amount of bills that go through constantly. That's what the senior legislative staff and assistants are for, as well as workers in constituency offices. And considering the level of awareness concerning this particular bill, I would say the chances of such implications in the bill going unnoticed are minuscule. There are also businesses and groups who stand to lose from this, so don't think they haven't made their views heard either. The point still stands that the odds of this bill getting through are stacked extremely heavily against it, and the chances of it getting through in an unamended fashion are yet even smaller. Ultimately I wouldn't expect it to affect gameplay footage or streaming on the internet in any noticeable way, since video game companies are no where near as stingy as music companies are concerning copyright claims, so I wouldn't expect that to radically change.

About Australia, I'm not sure, I don't know nearly enough about Australian politics to comment on how they would react. I know that Australia and the US have a FTA which prompted copyright amendment by introducing laws similar to the US's DMCA, so I suppose it's equally possible for this bill to carry over. All the same, I wouldn't worry about it, I still think this bill will amount to nothing.
 
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