Epic lags of fail

.Meredy said:
If the RPG is contributing anything to lag it's only doing so when in use, in the early hours of the day there is practically no lag, save the odd hiccup or two.
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So, basically, you're saying that by not using the RPG, it would prevent the lag? :wacky:

I keep getting this "cannot connect to FFF" thing on Firefox like everyone else does, I had it for a while before I logged on today.

When we had our last wave of ridiculous lag, I suggested something similar to the above - deleting old threads (post count would decrease but who caaaaares?) and even taking pictures off of the Member Picture Thread and only posting links to Photobucket, but I was informed that both of these would have only miniscule effects on the site's performance.

The lag is definitely worse when the RPG's online and in use (part of the reason why I don't go near it is because it's so unbelievably slow on my end), and every time this lag happens we always come back to the RPG and the Shoutbox. We established ages ago that both of them are the 2 major causes of the lag, the RPG slightly moreso than the SB. Unless LG manages to miraculously find a new option that we've yet to have heard of, the only thing I can see is one of two extremes: getting rid of the shoutbox or the RPG.

About the Photobucket thing, the reason why pictures don't take up space is because they're "being hosted from Photobucket and only being shown here, so it's their bandwith and not ours", or something to that effect. Not sure on the technicalities but if this is true then it's fair to say that the same should be true for the SB and RPG. We know that hosting the SB from another site is possible and works (we've done this before, along with the Chatrooms, waaaay back in the day), and since both the RPG and SB come from Inferno technologies, would I be right in saying it shouldn't be too difficult to host the RPG from another site? We wouldn't be taking up our own bandwith and no one loses out on aspects of the site.

Turning off the RPG is out of the question in my eyes (that is, if our main concern is activity) - how many people join on the basis that we have the RPG? Those people stay on the forums and become active members, we can see it everywhere. Turning off the SB is equally unwanted because it's a massive seat of social interaction on the site, great for advertising threads, convenient and such.

So, if it's physically possible, and the technicalities of hosting them from other sites are the same as posting pictures, I think this is our next best bet.
 
The RPG Inferno places quite a strain on the Server due to the fact that it works on AJAX and it must constantly connect to the server asking it to update whenever it is used. The Shoutbox also works on AJAX, since I believe both were designed by the now offline Inferno Technologies. Sadly, both the RPG and the Shoutbox are the major anchors the site has when it comes to member attractions. Yeah right, people love to talk about FF but we must be realist, FF game discutions are not as popular as they used to be.

I believe that in the past, the auto-iddle feature was added in an attempt to reduce the strain placed on the server. According to LG, the current server in which FFF is located is one of the best he can find.

Oh and Kerrigan, back when I was in staff (same time around yours xD) I asked if the RPG could be hosted in a different site and then connected here. However, the idea was shotdown...>.>

If we could get another hack similar to the RPG (since we have to admit....we can't have the same old RPG Inferno for all eternity) that does not depends so much on AJAX then the strain placed on the server would be lowered. That or getting a more simple SB. Chat Rooms never worked in the past....will never work anytime >.>
 
So the RPG's at fault here? I don't play it, so obviously I'm all for disabling it or whatever if that's what will actually let me log into the forums, but I guess that wouldn't be fair to the dedicated players.

And anyways, the RPG has been in full use before and didn't 'cause lags. Is it really the RPG at fault here? o_O
 
I recently did some tests and found out that at certain points if the RPG was to have a line misplaced it could lead to massive amounts of feedback. These amounts of feedback would deplete the bandwidth and eventually lag the server to high hell.
Basically the Inferno might be causing the site to run the same formulas over and over until the server just drops.
It does kinda explain why the lag got really bad when the inferno started, and why it continues to get worse.
All that is really needed to be done is a intense sweep of the coding to check and find the missing line, and then find where it went to. After that it is a simple repair job.
 
Eric Draven said:
I recently did some tests and found out that at certain points if the RPG was to have a line misplaced it could lead to massive amounts of feedback. These amounts of feedback would deplete the bandwidth and eventually lag the server to high hell.
Basically the Inferno might be causing the site to run the same formulas over and over until the server just drops.
It does kinda explain why the lag got really bad when the inferno started, and why it continues to get worse.
All that is really needed to be done is a intense sweep of the coding to check and find the missing line, and then find where it went to. After that it is a simple repair job.
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I thought you did some tests and found out that it was the fault of bots and guests?
Actually why not ask George Bush to zap the lag like he did Xenocreation? Or would that not work?

On a more serious note, this is the third? fourth? fifth? time we've had catastrophically bad lag. There seems to be an underlying problem that hasn't been resolved. When the lag goes away, as it invariably does, we forget all about it, until it returns.
 
I REALLY do not think its the RPG causing the lag AT ALL. We've had the RPG on FFF since I joined. and NEVER has it caused much lag, especially not on this level. I think the problem here is the SERVER. When we were on the old server, FFF ran fine for me, never once did I have a single fucking problem. Since we moved to this server however, I have been getting Database errors and Page load errors out the ass. Right now, for some reason I cannot access the site AT ALL on either Firefox or IE, even though several other people say its working just fine for them. I tried pulling FFF up in a proxy, and it works just fine though. I think we all need to take a step back and stop blaming the RPG for the lag, when this was going on before the RPG was even reopened. Think back and realize that "Hey, The RPG was open before, and this has never happened." and realize there is something else at fault here.
 
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The RPG isn't causing the lag. It's been tested numerous times before to see if it HAS been the cause and it HASN'T. I don't understand why people are blaming the RPG when there's the site/server itself to blame. And I agree with Busta completely, an increase of activity is most likely to blame.
 
The increase of activity is probably the cause, or part of it at least.

I notice that I can NEVER get into this site in the mornings and it's when a lot of people in America and such log on.

At night here it's better because there aren't too many people on this side of the world who log on and everyone else on the other side of the world is in bed. >.<
 
One thing I have been thinking of is that it could be a hardware issue. There could be an issue with the memory cards. It seems to work fine after the sql has been shutoff and turned back on. Which tells me that the memory may not be working properly.

Why, because when the sql is shutoff, the database is disabled and memory is cleared. So when the sql is turned back on the server is fresh. So its possible either there is an issue with the database or the memory is not clearing properly while database is on.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Eric Draven said:
Cept for guests and bots. Hell maybe changing what they can see should be considered as well. It could come out as a double positive. If by changing the areas visible to the guests and bots to the ff section and the areas we want them to see it could cause more people to join the site, while also reducing lag for a while.
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I don't see how that would help, all you would be doing is changing a guest into a member. It's still be the same person and the same amount of hits, just with a different usergroup :S It could also work the other way as well, you put a permission on sections to allow members only and people may just steer away from the forums and look elsewhere. So then LG could end up losing hits, and as far as I'm aware the more hits the more he earns.
 
hihi thats all troublesome indeed ;p , and I am using a wireless connection which fluctuates often as well...combined with this lag here...i can not even look at threads ..lol
 
I had the RAM upgraded a couple days ago. Things have been smooth since then, there was a hiccup earlier today due to more table fragmentation, which keeps happening every so often it seems. Things should be mostly smooth though.

Can't figure out why this table fragmentation stuff is happening with the new machine when the old one was OK, but servers just work in mysterious ways I guess.
 
Any ideas as to why a handful of us (me, Amanda, Justin) can only access the site through a proxy server? It's been going on 5 days of that for me now. Amanda and I were talking on MSN, and came up with the thought that it could have something to do with us all being in Virginia (or in my case, virtually in Virginia).
 
Lord Golbez said:
I had the RAM upgraded a couple days ago. Things have been smooth since then, there was a hiccup earlier today due to more table fragmentation, which keeps happening every so often it seems. Things should be mostly smooth though.

Can't figure out why this table fragmentation stuff is happening with the new machine when the old one was OK, but servers just work in mysterious ways I guess.
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Cheers bud', there's definitely been an improvement over the past few days! :awesome:
 
CassinoChips said:
Any ideas as to why a handful of us (me, Amanda, Justin) can only access the site through a proxy server? It's been going on 5 days of that for me now. Amanda and I were talking on MSN, and came up with the thought that it could have something to do with us all being in Virginia (or in my case, virtually in Virginia).
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Hmm, might have to do with the firewall automatically banning IPs. If this continues PM me your original IP.
 
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