Serious With all the threads about hate...

[Demon]

I'd like to have one about peace. It's natural to want to exact revenge against someone, or not be a doormat. But Gandhi said "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind."

I don't religiously agree with the quote, but when using logic, I find it a good thing to think about. One of my role models is someone who's very competitive, but a nice guy apparently. I'd tell you who he was, but it'd be too embarrassing. Still, I like to be a little competitive if I have to, or say when I don't like the way things are, but I don't like the idea that people need to return the eye. Peace.

 

[Valvalis]

That's a good Gandhi quote, I hadn't heard that one before For me it depends, I guess; if eye for an eye will resolve the conflict, without you having to do anything that you will regret in the process, then I don't really see a problem with it. However, sometimes it will also just initiate a cycle of mudslinging back and forth, because some people can't take a hint that you're doing "eye for an eye," they think you're just being genuinely mean while ignoring the fact that they did anything. And if that cycle continues on for a while, then you're really not accomplishing anything.

Because everyone on earth has different opinions and needs, peace is unfortunately relative; however, whatever works to stop conflicts as quickly and painlessly as possible is what I would suggest. The only time I would suggest even starting a conflict in the first place is if there's some sort of social injustice going on, and one complacent society is taking advantage of another, less fortunate or less powerful one. Such as, if the government unanimously advocated clubbing baby seals to death, then something would need to be done about that.

 

[coffeecup]

Well if you think about it, most government's do exactly the eye for an eye type of treatment. But I just find that the general reasons that underlie why we have laws and punishments and what not isn't really applicable when it comes down to something inconsequential (as is what that "hate" thread really started from imo).

So I do believe there is a time and place where you can justify inflicting some form of punishment back on the wrongdoer under ideas of retribution (which is similar to revenge but slightly different) or deterrence or whatever, but for the most part when it comes down to a small day-to-day conflict...it's not really worth it. Just shrug off the small stuff, I mean who gives a damn?

 

[Ilyena]

I've heard that quote before and it does make sense to an extent. I've been one to hold grudges and still am somewhat but I've never really wanted to exact revenge. I don't think it's worth my time to get wrapped up in a back and forth feud with someone I don't really care about.

As far as world peace, I'm all for peaceful resolutions whenever possible. I think people should think more about peace rather than blowing the fuck out of each other. Unfortunately, too many people feel that revenge and/or wars are the best way to go about resolving differences.

 

[DeadFantasy]

As much as people want peace well speaking worldly, it's not going to happen at all. But if it's between let's say two people or so then maybe. I mean for the most part, people like to what's the word? One up each other? Human nature compels us to assert our beliefs, and make them known to be better. While I don't like that idea, I do believe it's true. Maybe one day the world can learn to accept one another, but I don't think there will ever be peace. People are just too different, and while that's not a bad thing, the way we go about our differences aren't good. In a one on one situation however, I think people can easily work towards peace, simply because it's on a much smaller scale. An eye for an eye isn't the way to solve problems, I think in most cases, it's immature. The only time payback is acceptable (imo) is if someone killed someone in your family, or something drastic that deserved punishment

 

[Shu]

The only peaceful harmony I have found in my life with other people is music and expression. Music is the only thing that interconnects us male and female, and it is almost spiritual to an extent instead of sexual. (aside from new age Hip Hop and Pop.. GTFO with that stuff[not my cup of tea])

My thing is there are folks who are less looked upon because they have found that slice in life that actually makes them not so discerned about others problems. That small bit of sanity keeps them going in the day, and not lash out at others when problems arise. Music is the only thing that keeps me in sync with the way people are: the way people live, love, breath, make love, smile, cry, angst, and explode in a firey ball of hate.

I don't believe in peace. There is no way of attaining it. People take the head phones off way to much. They try to make everything so about themselves. They are trying to force upon the world what they believe is right. Though it's hard to let the world just go without any guidance. Taking life to seriously is the root of why people are so damn miserable. All these series of rules, that we think are right, when in fact are questioned every day all the way up to the constitution itself..

People will be people.. We start crap with each other on purpose whether it be passive (feminine approach) or in your face (male approach), it's sometimes to get people's rocks off. We are in disharmony, especially since the economy sucks arse. To get us back uniformly on tract, it would take a miracle, that or mass destruction unfortunately.

I just say screw it all... let it be, we are spiraling down as humanity still in my opinion. We have became way to comfortable and complacent and taken care of from our government. Now that this Nation (US) is in debt, they want stuff back.. figures that we would screw our offsprings out of a firm foundation, just to better our own pocket books. /claps hands at corrupt politicians.

We are greedy selfish pigs.. but I'm a cat calling the kettle black. I live here. I work here. I discriminate on illegal aliens when in fact I was one at one point to American Indians. I don't give my 10% charity as told to do, but I do run a marathon or two here and there. The best I can do is paying most of my stuff forward to better peace. I try to help physically where I can since I don't have much financial wealth. I try to be an ear, but not to personal to some folks since I'm married. That's the best I can do, and I advise you do the same, and look out for yourself and your friends.

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand - A Perfect Circle

 

[blakstang98]

I remain neutral on this matter. There will always be peace in some people and hate in others. We don't live in a utopia society, so I don't really see a sense imagining that it may happen. In an odd and twisted way, hate drives people to sometimes make a good impact. I'd love to think that we can all find peace some day, but there will always be hate to offset it. I won't make myself sound so selfish, but I'm just going to worry about me and the people closest to me. I have enough of my own stress and situations to deal with. I don't have time to change the world.

I think most don't realize that something like war creates peace in the big picture. Sure, people are losing lives, and in some cases many lives are lost. But the result of the war is is ultimately a stop in bloodshed and reasonable solutions to "get along" with other countries. People tend to get wrapped up on the immediate and don't look at that big picture. But sometimes, and eye for an eye is the only reasonable solution. But the eyes are renewed eventually (though never replaced).

As far as individual hate, well that is something that 1 person can help. I've talked with many people about their problems and sometimes my own. I certainly have no issue discussing such matters with others, so long as they're comfortable with it. I'd like to think that on these very forums I've made a difference to some. But even if I relieved one persons hate to help them have peace, then I can be peaceful myself.

 

[Dionysos]

Mankind is a lame and irrational species, and we’re each equipped with different ideals and personalities, and we each have different purposes / take different / are led down different paths as a result. Sure there are general rules laid out by societies which people may conform to, but we’re all different. As a result we will never get along, as sad as that is. People like to create villains out of people and hard-headedly ignore anything positive about a person because it makes them feel better about themselves and what they’ve achieved.

Personally I think that if everyone did their bit to avoid being a hater, and to avoid making people feel like crap then the world will be a lot more peaceful on a day-to-day basis. That’ll never happen though as some people get off on hate, and others just laugh when being told not to be a git because of their own life experiences which have lead them to behave in that way.

I blame Cain for killing Abel. Hate, rage and assholery is never ending because some people are brought up to believe that people are against them and hate them, so they reinforce this hatred in how they act towards others themselves, and each generation is then doomed to be full of haters. Why did Ug the Caveman have to wack Goga the Caveman on the head so rudely with his club, causing Goga to wack Ug’s brother, and Ug’s brother to wack Goga’s son?

I’m aware with more global matters that peace is impossible, because differences and competition here are far too severe after thousands of years of history and development which does not just go away. Some of the main problems can never be solved, only displaced (or shifted from the frontline to create room for a consequent issue only to resurface when other issues are displaced at a later date), and as a result of that the people who attempt to solve the problems themselves are subjects of hate and abuse. It’s never ending.

It will only end if every single person on the planet agreed to make a pact to forget all, start over, and work things out genuinely, and also to teach their kids that hate has long since been abolished and there is no need to fear people being assholes. That is never going to happen, ever.

With personal matters… I can’t ever say that hate is ever a good idea. You can’t ever really criticise someone until you’ve worn their shoes, had their minds, and lived their lives, but by doing that you WOULD be them and would do exactly the same thing as them anyway. We’re all led to behave in different ways for different reasons. We’re all wired in a certain way, and we also are all influenced by our surroundings. All we need to do it accept this of one another and work around it, iron issues out and compromise - or fix people that struggle to fit in society. That’s not simple, and many people would probably just say “shut the f*ck up” and punch you in the face if you ever attempted to say it… But still… It’s a bit of a joke really. The big joke is us.

Since I’ve started to see people like this (though I’ve partially been like this throughout my whole life anyway) I’ve enjoyed people a lot more. I’d rather be understanding and forgiving than a cynic, even if that means that I’ll be vulnerable and setting myself up for harm and manipulation. I’ve always been quite set up for that as it is anyway.

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand - A Perfect Circle

Depeche Mode did that song first. It is also the song which pops into my head whenever I read a thread about hate or peace and other related matters.