Wakka, that's enough Wakka!

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Wakka was a believer in yevon only to find all that he believed to be a phellacy, the dogmatic nature of the Yevon religion stifiled the Technological advancement of spira all for the grandure of Yu Yevon....the poor Guy Had his world crushed by a truth so far from what he believed that you have to feel sorry for the man..... or maybe not?
 
LOL Nah I didn't feel sorry for him anyone dumb enough to follow blindly really does need to get a nice little faith shake.
 
I agree with Dark Jecht. People who follow a religion to an obsession and reject other beliefs deserve to have their world tumbling down around them.
 
LordEternal said:
I agree with Dark Jecht. People who follow a religion to an obsession and reject other beliefs deserve to have their world tumbling down around them.
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Just like arrogant atheists?

Wakka believed in something that turned out not to be true. That's hardly a negative thing.
He was involved in any violence towards the Al-Bhed. So he didn't do anything wrong, and quite franfly deserves a break.
 
The fact that he believed in it was not why he deserved it. It is the fact that he did so blindly without actually having seen the wrong first.
 
Dark Jecht said:
The fact that he believed in it was not why he deserved it. It is the fact that he did so blindly without actually having seen the wrong first.
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Well no, as he was brought up with that religion and it was all he knew. When there's a big giant deformed whale tearing a world to pieces with no way of truly beating it, people are going to look for faith. That just happened to be Yevon, around for a thousand years and effecting 90% of Spira's population the same way. If you were raised in such a society you'd be the same. Personally I feel sorry for the bugger. Now if he was to grab Auron's sword and mutilate Rikku as soon as he found out she was Al-Bhed then my view of Wakka would be slightly different....
 
What about the crusaders? They didn't follow completely blindly like Wakka did yet they were raised the same.
 
Wakka's hatred of the Al Bhed had nothing to do with his religion. It was because his brother Chappu took an Al Bhed weapon over Brotherhood into battle and died. His religion did present a bias against the Al Bhed but it was because he lost his brother that he hates the Al Bhed.

I don't know if I ever really felt bad for Wakka though. He was constantly disappointed with Yu Yevon as he found out more and more. He always had a hard time believing what he found out... but it presented to him gradually so he was never truly crushed. Always disappointed, never crushed.
 
Tidus had a bigger mind fuck to be honest :p

But yeah, I did feel abit bad for Wakka, in a way it would've effected Yuna the same, I mean, she didn't hate the Al Bhed or anything but being a summoner aswell as having a father who was a High Summoner, Yevon must've been just as big a part in her life as it was in Wakka's. If not more.
 
You are correct Yuna did have to have a large faith to follow it, but by being raised by the temple she would have been tought more about Yevon's downsides then Wakka would've.
 
DLFlux said:
Tidus had a bigger mind fuck to be honest :p

But yeah, I did feel abit bad for Wakka, in a way it would've effected Yuna the same, I mean, she didn't hate the Al Bhed or anything but being a summoner aswell as having a father who was a High Summoner, Yevon must've been just as big a part in her life as it was in Wakka's. If not more.
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Agreed. Considering that Yuna was willing to give her life for Yevon and to secure peace (which they assumed Yevon had allowed), discovering all of it was a lie and that hundreds of summoners (including her father) had died just as part of Yevons sick cycle of giant whale destruction.

I feel sorry for all of the followers of Yevon in that game. They all believed it. Wakka's intelligence shouldn't come into it when Yuna, Lulu, Kimahri and practically the whole world believed in the relgion of Yevon also.
 
The thing is, the "teachings of Yevon" and the actual institution of Yevon based in Bevelle don't quite coincide with each other. The "teachings of Yevon" are that Sin is humanity's punishment for the use of machina to kill people, and possibly for other sins as well; that Sin will be gone when humanity has atoned; and that it can be removed temporarily through the pilgrimage. The institution of Yevon is a descendant of the original Bevelle, which was in fact all in favour of using machina to kill people: they only spread the "teachings" so that they would not be opposed. They didn't actually care anything for Yevon - they used his name just because of the bargain they made with Yunalesca. This would suggest that the inhabitants of Bevelle are not as Yevon-faithful as the rest of Spira.

So the institution of Yevon is effectively in league with Yu Yevon and Sin, in a three-way deal in which Bevelle benefits by being the only city that Sin avoids, Yu Yevon benefits by being able to summon Dream Zanarkand forever and Yunalesca benefits by having her father's name honoured throughout Spira. But the teachings of Yevon are effectively true: Yu Yevon did use Sin to crush Bevelle's army, as a direct result of their machina-fuelled assault on Zanarkand, and the pilgrimage does indeed remove Sin from the world for a short period of time. The atonement idea is not correct, though. So the situation is quite complicated. The party discovers that the institution of their faith is corrupt, doesn't believe in their own teachings, and only exists to perpetuate the cycle of Sin. That's the big upheaval in the party's beliefs - and as people have said, it wasn't just Wakka.
 
i don't feel sorry for him are you kidding, Wakka's an incompetitent moron, if he's so easily convinced in stupid stuff like what Yevon was feeding him then hes a moron, I mean I would kinda figure it out after like 4 summoners died defeating sin and they just came back every decade or so, its ridiculous. I mean I feel bad that sin killed his family, but he's a moron for believing in what Yevon had to say

-My Sacrificial Paradise
 
Kitab makes a very, VERY good argument. When something like that is discovered, it tends to cause a lot of upheaval not just for one person, but for everyone that discovers said problem. You can focus on one person, but the entire party was affected, so this argument needs to be expanded to incorporate that.
 
Wakka believed in the teachings but he now he hates them.

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I don't think Wakka really liked the Al Bhed to begin with. Since they go against the teachings. No hate was involved until Chappu used the machina. He needed something to blame so he blamed the Al Bhed. Which is unfair of course, but who else could he blame. So it turned into hate and thats how I think it is. Naturally Yuna doesnt hate the Al Bhed. That would be ridiculous seeing as she's part Al Bhed herself. Wheter she goes on the pilgramage for yevon or just because it has been proven in the past that it will give the people a time of calm, I'm not sure, perhaps its both.
I myself have been brought up by my parents in a Catholic way. Not by going to church every sunday thank god, but there's alot of things I see the way I see because of that upbringing. I think it's the same for the people of Sprira. It is unfortunate that some people, like wakka, think everything outside of that religion is wrong.

So I don't believe its entirely Wakka's own fault for believing in Yevon, but I do believe that he should've been more open minded about things. You don't have to believe the same things, as long as you respect the people that believe different things. I don't think he deserved all that, but he's a grown man, he'll be fine. In the end at least he discovered it was all wrong. In the real world nobody knows wich is the 'right' path to follow.
My god this has become a much larger post than I intended.. Oh well.
 
I do feel sorry for him...
although he is just a video game character :D
he seemed happier until he was killed by the truth...

but wait wa sit the truth?
I remember at the end of the game a Yeavon
 
Krysta said:
I don't think Wakka really liked the Al Bhed to begin with. Since they go against the teachings. No hate was involved until Chappu used the machina. He needed something to blame so he blamed the Al Bhed. Which is unfair of course, but who else could he blame. So it turned into hate and thats how I think it is. Naturally Yuna doesnt hate the Al Bhed. That would be ridiculous seeing as she's part Al Bhed herself. Wheter she goes on the pilgramage for yevon or just because it has been proven in the past that it will give the people a time of calm, I'm not sure, perhaps its both.
I myself have been brought up by my parents in a Catholic way. Not by going to church every sunday thank god, but there's alot of things I see the way I see because of that upbringing. I think it's the same for the people of Sprira. It is unfortunate that some people, like wakka, think everything outside of that religion is wrong.

So I don't believe its entirely Wakka's own fault for believing in Yevon, but I do believe that he should've been more open minded about things. You don't have to believe the same things, as long as you respect the people that believe different things. I don't think he deserved all that, but he's a grown man, he'll be fine. In the end at least he discovered it was all wrong. In the real world nobody knows wich is the 'right' path to follow.
My god this has become a much larger post than I intended.. Oh well.
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Your right he didn't deserve all that, but he still was idiotic enough to blindly follow an organization that never told them a damn thing. And Wakka's never liked the Al Bhed hence why Lulu told Tidus not to tell Wakka about Yuna being Half Al Bhed

-My Sacrificial Paradise
 
Wakka's silly. I could never find myself feeling sorry for him because everything he says is just so ridiculous. XD blah blah blah Yevon blah blah Sin blah blah Must atone. Silly religious nut.
 
Wakka? "Stoopid Shoopuff" xD.

Anyways, Wakka was so freaking stubborn and hard-headed. He never wanted to just accept his brother was gone. I know it has to be super hard for one to do but...you have to accept it to get over it, right? Then when ever he heard something slightly wrong about Yeavon he pretened to ignore it.

When his bubble was busted, he didn't know what to do...so, na, I didn't feel sorry for him really.
 
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