Vegetarianism

exception that proves the rule.
and by saying that you are a vegetarian you are saying you eat mostly vegetables, if you didnt call yourself a vegetarian it would be assumed that you eat meat and vegetables equally
 
Darkstar said:
OK, yes, I know, it took me a while to find this. And yes, call me stupid, but the reason I don't eat meat is because, well, I don't find it nice to kill an animal just to eat it. That animal could have had a rich life of eating, sleeping, and mating. Yes, we have diferent standars of living to them, but just because their standards they have makes them lesser than us. (sorry to make this thread an animal war, but this is one of the reasons I became vegetarian)

You know, we could have waited for the animal to die of a natural death, then eat it, sure, then by all mean, I'll eat it, but to kill it before it dies, in my books, that is murder, and thats wrong

In other words, I find death very off putting
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That's fair enough, not everybody feels the same way about things so I could understand you thinking it's cruel.

But at the end of the day, humans are still animals, and we're at the top of the foodchain, we just happen to be more civilised than animals (well, most people anyway...) and can think for ourselves about things like this, whereas an animal wouldn't think twice about eating another animal. (Although I'm not saying that you shouldn't be a vegetarian, Darkstar, that is just my reason for thinking it's okay to eat meat.)
 
I'm fine with vegetarianism 'cause in fact a lot of the people I know are vegetarians themselves. As for me, I'm not. I like eating meat.

The only problem I see with it is that it tends to decrease your overall health despite the fact that what they're eating is healthy in itself. It's just not a balance and well-rounded diet and there's not way to escape that fact.
 
Well is the whole Chain of Life that draws us to eat meat. Grass is eaten by Cow, cow is killed and cut into pieces, we humans eat Cow :)

And, well I love being a carnivorous. I love eating meat, call me an assassin, but I love meat. I just can't live without Hamburgers, and Steaks, and Chicken, and all those delicious products made out of meat.

Besides, if I go to the ocean and a shark eats me, then I say it's kinda fair lol, but I'll try to eat the shark first :P
 
I don't have a problem with vegetarianism itself or vegetarians. I do have a problem with vegetarians who try and tell me what I should eat and why. It's really none of their business whether or not I eat meat. I used to be a waitress and have had that happen on more than one occasion. :dry:

My best friend is a vegetarian now actually. I eat at her house quite a bit and she knows some really good recipes. She didn't become one because she doesn't believe in eating animals though. Her husband is a vegetarian and it's basically more convenient for her.

I don't eat meat that often myself because I like to buy fresh kosher, which can get expensive. Plus I have this thing about touching raw meat; it grosses me out. But I digress. I really have no problem with vegetarians as it's really their choice.
 
I'm not a vegetarian. The only vegtables I eat are the ones that lie in my Big Mac.

I simply don't have the stomach for those things. If you are a vegetarian, good for you. I envy your ability to eat 'em.
 
Im not a veggie. But if you want to be, then IMO thats fine. What I cant stand is when veggies try and force fruit and veg at me. I enjoy meals with veg and meat and do try and eat as much fruit as poss.

I just dont like eating meat and they pull faces at you because youre eating something with a face.
 
I'm a veggie, and have been for some seven years or so. I'm the only vegetarian in my family and I respect the fact others want to eat meat. I'd never encourage someone to turn vegetarian on my behalf; someone once tried. It's wrong to enforce one's opinions and principles on another.

What annoys me is people who call themsevles veggies but eat chicken, fish or gelatine, or anything else not vegetarian. I don't believe in these semi veggies who are veggies because of the ethics! You're either a veggie for health, 'cause someone you live with is, 'cause you don't like meat or for the ethics of it. If you're a veggie for the ethics of it, you should be willing to give up sweets and lovely chocolate desserts with gelatine in too. It's not about picking and choosing.

When it comes to people who call themselves veggies and aren't veggie 'cause of the ethics, I'm not fussed about it if they eat gelatine. It's just the people who say they hate the idea of animals get killed and then go and buy Haribo. >_< Why be a veggie for that reason if you're still gonna eat other parts of the animal in another form?
 
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The Young Knives said:
actually its much healthier to be a vegetarian than an omnivore of carnivore.
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That is not true. Humans need complex organic matter from other animals for proper brain development, etc. And children especially cannot grow properly on a vegan diet.
Supplements? Not natural stuff, and it's much better and much tastier to eat foods naturally containing what you need.
All other (known) species are inferior to humans, and whilst we should treat nature with due care and respect, we have every right to feed upon other animals, as is the natural human diet. Though I do think that unneccessary cruelty, etc, should be outlawed, including cosmetic tests, but not medical experimentation.
It's understandable that some people can't stand the thought of eating what used to be a living creature, and I suppose I respect their choice, but not when vegetarians/vegans claim moral superiority and rub it in the faces of others. I think it's also cruel for parents to force their children to be vegetarian.
 
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Iron_Legion said:
I think it's also cruel for parents to force their children to be vegetarian.
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thats irrelevant to the question of vegatarianism

And children especially cannot grow properly on a vegan diet
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vegan and vegetarian are two different things.

and im right actually, vegetarians are about 3 times less likely to suffer from any form of heart illness and diabetes ect.

Supplements? Not natural stuff, and it's much better and much tastier to eat foods naturally containing what you need
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tastier?
you cant always eat what you want, and many people regardless if they are vegetarian supplement their diets with pills ect.
you may find it unnatural for some vegetarians to take iron supplements, however, many non-vegetarians die of heart related sicknesses each year, so which is really more 'natural'?
 
I'm neither for or against Vegetarianism because though I like vegetables and eat them regulary it personally doesn't feel natural to me not eating meat. The only reason vegetarians are 3x less likely to suffer from heart diseases is because they don't expose themselves to the crap put in fastfood meals from places like McDonald's, Burger King etc.
 
I would have to agree, though vegetarianism is good for your heath, it does not mean its better then other diets. Actually, eating meat gives you protein which is necessary for your body, though you may take vitamins and supplements,

none of that is tested by the fda.Also, as long as you eat properly, which includes serving sizes and the corrects amount in each food group you will still be healthy and have a better chance of avoiding all of the diseases out there. So really, vegetarianism is not the best way to go, because you won't be getting in enough intake of iron and protein and the pills, though help, like I said, aren't tested.There really is no better way, as long as you avoid greasy and processed meats like they serve at fast food restruants, you will be fine. Not to mention exercise.
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What Bunnylover said.
"Substitutes", such as Quorn and Soya are nowhere near as good as meat in any way, either. Soya actually harms male sexual development and increases Oestrogen levels. It is not a good substitute to the real thing. Quorn has been known to cause nasty reactions, and is artificial in the first place. Blargh.
Vegetarianism is not good for you overall. If you want to avoid heart attacks, exercise properly.
Humans are supposed to be omnivores.
 
To be honest, I think the health benefits, and the disadvantages, depend on who you are and how your body reacts. Most statements made are general; I eat Quorn often and have never had a bad reaction, but some will be allergic. There are also people who are allergic to meat.

I've been veggie for 6/7 years and haven't suffered as a result; I'm as healthy as I was back then. I'm less active, but that's because I have less opportunity to be; I moved from the school where I was made to do 1 - 2 hours of sports a day.
I will say, though, that I gained 1 stone a year at first (the first 3 years), but that was 'cause I had so much pizza and pasta rather than Quorn. But I've almost all the excess weight now, and was probably underweight before.

However, my friend, who became a veggie shortly after me, had to go back to eating meat for her dancing; her body needs those vitamins to stay healthy. She was suffering as a result of her vegetarianism.

It's really about the individual case.
 
This is a dumb answer, but I like meat too much.

Which makes me think that if you eat eggs, are you still vegetarian. 'Cause technically you aren't killing the egg, so...
 
Fusionist said:
This is a dumb answer, but I like meat too much.

Which makes me think that if you eat eggs, are you still vegetarian. 'Cause technically you aren't killing the egg, so...
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Yeah, you are. Not all eggs are fertilised, and chickens will actually eat their own eggs; we have chickens, which roam our garden most of the time; we put them away at night so the foxes can't kill them.

Eggs are potential life, true enough, but they're not yet life. Some people tell me I shouldn't eat eggs, but the fact is I'm not killing something. Killing animals causes them pain, and they're often made to live in harsh conditions. People don't like to face the truth; I did, and that's why I became veggie. I don't and won't preach though. So no lessons from me. :P
 
I'm not a vegetarian, never did attempt to become one. I just can't stand not having meat, I guess (although I try to avoid pork as much as possible and been successful for about a year now). Being a vegetarian depends on what your own body needs, so that should certainly be taken into consideration since it varies case by case. Some people are successful with it, while others are badly affected.

My husband tried it out for a few months where he only ate the vegetarian products you can buy at the store. He tried to keep his protein levels up but in the end he suffered major weight loss, to the point where he was actually underweight. So he stopped and went back to a regular diet slowly. I remember he ate a bunch of chicken right after he got off the vegetarian diet and started puking like crazy. Now he's happy and healthy and has increased muscle mass. So being a veggie was evidently not for him, but then again he may not have done it properly either (self-admittedly), who knows?

But yeah, I don't think this will work out for me either. I'm too content with my regular eating habits.
 
I would become a vegetarian but I think it would be a wrong thing to do. Since humans are grass-eaters. Our organisms need everything in little portions. I don't mainly eat meat, only when I need it (or I'm forced to eat it).
 
Up until a month ago or so, I still had a very childish mentality, in the sense that any kind of vegetable was poisonous and I'd pick them out of every meal given to me. Truthfully, I don't think I'd actually tried the majority of vegetables until recently - now, in a bid to eat much more healthily, I've tasted a number of vegetables and ... they're really good. :wacky:
 
^ You big kid xD

I was always abit weird with my food, as a kid I'd eat any salad or vegetables that came my way, but I was proper fussy with meat. Rarely if EVER had any at all. On the odd occassion I might have had fishfingers but I voiced my disgust alot. It wasn't that I was or wanted to be a veggie, just meat didn't appeal to me

I still don't eat alot of it and I hate beef (unless its minced in summat) I pick apart meat and potatoe pies, Bacon is vile...I do like lamb sausages cod and chicken though :monster:

I think I could quit eeasily live without meat, but then I could quite easily eat it everyday if it was stuck infront of me on a plate......as long as it wasnt summat mentioned above :wacky:

What bugs me is peoples reactions to one or the other, who gives a monkies what people eat. Not affecting you is it?
 
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