Tifa Rant

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Ok, I just gotta let it out.

Tifa is a sucky female lead. There, I said it. And you know what, it's the way I feel. Here's why.

1. She refuses to face her past. She could've told Cloud everything that she remembered and saved the whole group a bunch of trouble.

2. Her major focal point, or should I say points, are her large boobs. Don't deny it, you were looking at them and not her face.

3. Everybody thinks that she was tough, but I only remember her as being pushy and obnxious.

Tell me how you feel.

Oh, and I'll be back with more, maybe it depends on my sanity level this halloween.

 

[SapphireStar]

Wow. I dont know how I feel regarding Tifa. The boobs are totally OTT and not really necessary. I like her slap match with Scarlett. But as for herself, I dont really know. Its odd, I dont seem to have an opinion on her as a character. She is a tough cookie and seems to care about those close to her. So I cant fault that. But the huge boobs ... NO REAL NEED!!!

 

[Jasmine You]

Tifa, my favorite female Final fantasy character.....lets move on....

1. She refuses to face her past. She could've told Cloud everything that she remembered and saved the whole group a bunch of trouble.

Aerith knew the exact same thing as Tifa, she didn't speak up either so I don't see why you're pushing the entire fault on Tifa. Even if Tifa would have said something, nothing much would have changed, Cloud would still have to fight JENOVA & Sephiroth which is almost the entire point of the game. Tifa was there for Cloud's emotional support and I'd say she did a dman good job at protecting him letting the truth sink in slowly rather than just blurring it out. I'd say that Cloud would have lost his mind if Tifa just told him everything in one shot which would mean so much more trouble for the group.

2. Her major focal point, or should I say points, are her large boobs. Don't deny it, you were looking at them and not her face.

As much as I like large breasts, I am able to see past them, I'm sure I'm not the only one there but either way as it was said before, they weren't needed nor needed to be noticed a smuch. People are shallow I'd say, that is all.

3. Everybody thinks that she was tough, but I only remember her as being pushy and obnxious.

She is rather strong I'd say, in the times where everyone's spirits were down, both her and Aerith were able to push the group and Cloud in the right direction. She remained with Cloud through his hardest times (Mako poisoning) I'd say she did a good job at keping Cloud together.

Those are my vies on my beloved Tifa, she isn't perfect but I think she makes a good female lead. ♥

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

I actually really love Tifa. <3

I think that she's a wonderful character and seems like the one always holding everything and everyone together.

She's very caring and I think that the part that may have come across as pushy was just her trying to keep everyone on track and trying to get peoples minds off certain things that may have been bothering them.

She isn't selfish from what I've seen and yes her boobs are huge but that isn't her fault, it's SE's.

That shouldn't take away from the fact that she's a lovely girl.

Tifa is one of my favourite female leads and maybe I'm not seeing her in the same light as you but I think she's wonderful. =)

 

[John Marston]

Tifa's my fave out of all the female final fantasy girls for many reasons.

No i did not stare at her breasts, but anyway when i didn't have aerith anymore i used her as my healer. She has better stats with magic than Cloud, so i kept most of my magic materia on her.


Sure she kept most of things to herself but Cloud was having trouble figuring out who he was, being kept in the mako tank with zack really affected him. If Tifa had told Cloud what she kept inside it would've made it harder of him to get himself together. Well thats what i think, if i were in Cloud's shoes i wouldn't know what i do.


But had i been in the same situation like Tifa i would've done the same. I wouldn't complicate things that are already difficult to begin with.

 

[poker king46]

i think most people who actually like rpgs in general are able to look past the gigantic boobs thing.

she is even described in bios as "the glue that keeps everyone together" so that might make her seem pushy at times but really how many people with problems do you know that did the right thing by themselves, everyone needs a little push.

as for the not facing the past thing when she found cloud the only thing that brought him back from a state much like the mako poisoning was making him believe that he was cloud and the only way to help him was to do it slowly

don't get me wrong here i rarely use tifa when i play but she does a serve as a major story line purpose

 

[WanderingAesthetic]

With the not facing the past thing, I think she had very legitimate reasons. Cloud perfectly recounted the entire Nibelheim incident, but as far as she knew, he wasn't there. She didn't know which one of them was crazy, but had a little bit more reason to believe she was, so she stayed quiet.

Boobs? Irrelevant, really.

As for being tough, she was one of the hardest hitting characters in my line-up. Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find any playable RPG character that isn't tough, whether it's mentally or physically.

As for being pushy... Depending on what you say during the game as Cloud, Tifa seems to honestly have a thing for Cloud, but if Cloud shows more interest in Aeris, she seems pretty willing to step aside. I can't see that as the action of a pushy person.

I see her as the "team mom" the one who made sure everyone ate and had a place to sleep and etc. I know that's fanon/head canon, but I think it fits with what we saw of her character. I didn't like it much when she dropped out of the party to stay with Cloud, but she was devoted to him. Unfortunately, the sort of people that stop to take care of others aren't much appreciated, in real life or fiction.

 

[Dionysos]

2. Her major focal point, or should I say points, are her large boobs. Don't deny it, you were looking at them and not her face.

If I was to look up, and see her face, I'd still find her incredibly attractive and beautiful to be honest.

Her breasts were not her defining feature for me, though it obviously helps to get people interested in her. I mean.. They are pretty big, but I didn't think there were too over the top to epic proportions so much as they made her look silly. She still looked human etc, and at a size that were not too massive, but brilliant, as opposed to mammoth sized and silly.

But just like many females in RPG's and games in general the breasts were just extra. They aren't part of her personality. Not once does she flaunt them. They're just there I guess because, well she's female and she is a barmaid.. Men love barmaids with short skirts and big breasts. Men / teenage boys that play games will therefore love the appearance of Tifa.

I guess it's the fault of games portraying the perfect human form in the main characters.. It's the same with the males too. They tend to be mostly either muscled action heroes, or feminine (but still action heroes / part-time apple munchers). With female characters they tend to be either busty and hot, or petite and cute. When characters deviate from looking like this they tend to be the games comic relief.

So I don't think Tifa can be blamed on her appearance. It's just the way things went. Even before her AC redesign I didn't think they were big enough to look silly. Massive, yes, but still human and some girls walk around like that.


As for her personality, I rather liked it. She was obviously a very popular girl in her early teens in Nibelheim, but she seemed quite shy too and seemed a very kind and caring person.


And I believe Tifa held back on telling Cloud what she remembered because her memories of those events herself were probably very hazy. She

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had been wounded and wasn't in a very alert state when Cloud arrived and did his thing

with Sephiroth. She was probably trying to make sense of it in her own head too. She had doubts about what Cloud was saying, and knew it wasn't the 100% truth, but I think she probably had some memory of hearing Cloud or something on the day, and this confused her. She seemed very confused about it herself, but that just might be my taking on it.

She might also not have told him to protect him from the harmful memories, waiting for the right point to tell him... She might also not have told him just because the story needed to progress until the right point in the plot for Tifa to tell Cloud. Earlier would have killed the moment.


So yeah, I don't mind Tifa. I can see the points you are saying, but they don't bother me much and I put them aside / explain them to myself when viewing her as a character.

 

[Dragon Mage]

I'm not going to repeat what all the other good people here have said. I agree with them entirely.

Nor am I angry at the immature way you attack a character with obvious little mental effort at understanding the character. Well, with little mental effort entirely, really. I believe this to be a result of limited physical capacity.

I can understand some of your ire. I wish Tifa had been more assertive in the game myself. But then, lets look at the culture producing this game -- a country that heavily borrowed it's cultural elements from China: Including the treatment of women.

And that was quite a while ago. It may not be as bad now, but back then, a strong, independent female lead would be utterly alien to the Japanese. I'm amazed they even made her a successful owner of a business establishment! Seeing as they gave her that much strength as a character, I suppose it's only to be expected that they would make her a timid daisy.

And let's be logical here: Featuring the first 3D graphics of the series, and working with crude polygons, Tifa's substantial assets would appear disproportional because of the very graphics being used. I, for one, did not stare at her boobs. Being female myself, I hold no fascination for Tifa's assets.

Having established this, I conclude that your arguments are coming off as whiny and dismissive, with no solid reasons at their heart. Had you argued something specific, then I might concede you have a point and try to clear the matter.

However, since you've apparently made little effort to delve into character development or understanding character motives (indeed, the longest of your Tripoints was about nothing but graphic design, a superfluous fact of the matter), I hereby dub your points as vague and insubstantial. How can I possibly help you better your understanding of the character when your complaints are so broad and spartan? Specifics! How did you see her as pushy or obnoxious? Examples! Give me something to work with here!

Now, amend your points (or add any more, if you like) and then I might be able to really help you understand the character. I'm assuming that is your goal, correct? Then, considering what I said beforehand, clear up your points, good man! Then we may truly be getting somewhere.

If you just post more generalized points, then I shall sic my flying monkeys on you.

 

[Serah]

Dragon Mage, there was no excuse for the insults you just placed on this person. This person was merely stating an opinion and you did not need to call him a troll because he has a personal opinion on your favorite character. If you can't accept that, then you really shouldn't have even posted in this thread to begin with. I won't tolerate name-calling just because somebody has their own opinion on a pixelated character that's not even real. If the argument continues I will close this thread without hesitation.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Dragon Mage, there was no excuse for the insults you just placed on this person. This person was merely stating an opinion and you did not need to call him a troll because he has a personal opinion on your favorite character. If you can't accept that, then you really shouldn't have even posted in this thread to begin with. I won't tolerate name-calling just because somebody has their own opinion on a pixelated character that's not even real. If the argument continues I will close this thread without hesitation.

Come now! Of all people, you, my good Mandi, know that I have no care if someone disagrees with my opinion! No, he maintain his opinion come hell or high water if he so chooses and I won't try to dissuade him. It is his to keep and I have no argument over that.

No, the problem I am primarily addressing here is the way he chose to express that opinion. His Tripoints (I don't know what else to call them, really) are all very generalized and reveal a lack of consideration on his part. They are, for lack of a better word, elementary.

This leaves me with the feeling that he wanted nothing more to just vent his (arguably unjust) feelings about the character with no real attempt at bettering his understanding. The fact that this thread is titled 'rant' and not something more constructive, like a question or discussion, gives me that impression.

So, by requesting he repost his complaints in a manner that is not so broad and points to an acute problem he has with the character, I intend to better address his problems satisfactorily without making a very long post. Long posts are almost always met with 'tl;dr' sadly.

As for the insults, I meant them to be lightly jesting (thus the frilly word-choice), but I admit they are a bit over the top. I shall edit them. But I know for a fact that if you get someone decently riled up about it, they will actually do as requested and the problem is solved and everyone goes home happy. The best way to do this is to be vaguely mocking without causing real insult. All I was trying to do was to ensure a response and nothing more. My apologies if they have offended -- I was rushing when I posted and didn't have time to carefully edit (which I was hoping to do before anyone else posted.)

Also, I never accused him of being a troll -- merely that if he continued to post inflamatory ultimatums then I'd toss the T-word at him. It was a joke, but apparently the tone is lost in translation. (I was making an allusion to Monty Python, actually.)

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Nor am I angry at the immature way you attack a character with obvious little mental effort at understanding the character. Well, with little mental effort entirely, really. I believe this to be a result of limited physical capacity.

Really quite cruel, and unnecessary. Hurts a lot. However, I'd like to point out that it really says so much more about you then it does me. Anyway, I respect your right to disagree with you.

I might point out to you that in the same game, the other character weren't so "disproportionate", so it's obvious that it was quite intentional.

Really, this thread doesn't so much come from intense hate of Tifa, as it does from intense hate of her being considered the greatest thing to happen to FF. I'm willing and quite able to admit that my points are the most weighty, but I did label this as a rant, and not as some deep look at her character.

I suppose I should've said that somwhere in my first post, but I was at my Aunt and Uncles, and wasn't quite comfortable there alone, so my focus was on other stuff.

So, if anyone else has anything to say, please do, but be mature and don't insult someone who doesn't agree with you. I thank all of those who already posted and were quite nice despite my views. As for those who weren't, I don't really care.

 

[Six]

1. She refuses to face her past. She could've told Cloud everything that she remembered and saved the whole group a bunch of trouble.

I disagree. She does face her own past... In fact she does this everyday. She cares for Cloud and is really hesistant, because she's not sure if telling him will help him improve. And she understands that the last thing he needs, is more negativity during their time. She's unsure how to bring it.

Ive been in her position before. She says so herself it's hard to just talk about anything, and finding the right moment. Some might say "Just say it and get it the hell over with.", but some people are thinkers, they over-think the consequences.

Tifa: Cloud... Sometimes being old friends is hard... I mean... Timing is everything...

Moving on to the next...

2. Her major focal point, or should I say points, are her large boobs. Don't deny it, you were looking at them and not her face.

I find this one quite immature... Just because the makers made the girl have a big chest, doesn't make her a bad person at all... Some girls are naturally big chested... So just because she has a big chest, there's nothing to her personality? I don't think that's fair.

Truth of the matter is, her face is gorgeous, and it's what I was looking at. Not her chest.

3. Everybody thinks that she was tough, but I only remember her as being pushy and obnxious.

She is a tough girl. Both mentally and physically.

She won't back out of a physical fight. If her team mates are in trouble, she will fight along side of them.

She's strong mentally. She keeps the mess hidden in her head, and stays optimistic for the people that need it. That's a really hard thing to do.

She's there for Cloud, yes, puts on a big mouth once in a while, but he also needed to realize more things and...

Sometimes you have to make sure someone 'hears' you in their heart, not just in their head.

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I really think it's better if I don't post here beside this though... I mean it's obviously your opinion, against the people who do like her... I do respect that...

I just don't agree with your reasons...

Either way, that's my 15 cents on it.

 

[Fusionist]

I've loved Tifa's character ever since I first played FFVII way back when (well, not WAY back as most others, but before it became a compilation ) and I honestly feel kind of aghast when I see people say that they hate her Dx.

A lot of people made awesome points that I could only parrot, but over-all I really enjoyed Tifa. She's my fave FF female thus far, and is probably my fave female video game character period.

I thought that she was a pretty solid character. Strong, caring, friendly, supportive-what's to dislike? Maybe I'm looking through my memories with rose-coloured glasses, but if Tifa was pushy, I didn't notice it, or I interpreted it to be different *shrugs*

As for the whole breast thing, that is a tad shallow to be picking at. What does attire and design have to do with a person's character? I have nothing against Tifa's hooter-like ensemble (that was designed by a MAN, by the way ;D) and her large breast size.

And maybe it's just me, but I was staring at her feet more than anything else. I mean, they look friggin' huge-all their feet looked friggin' huge

And it's not fair to single out Tifa for her design. Aerith had a rather long cut in her dress that probably wouldn've flashed her sexy panties. Yuffie's running around in short shorts and a tank top. If we're gonna be labeling characters by their design, probably Jenova's the skankiest female. What with her naked mutated body and whatnot

If anything, I love how sharply Tifa's character contrasts with her design. Despite the very risque apperance, she's still more of a country bumpkin than not. Heck, Aerith was more street smart than Tifa xD

So yeah, I don't agree with your points >.<

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

I find this one quite immature... Just because the makers made the girl have a big chest, doesn't make her a bad person at all... Some girls are naturally big chested... So just because she has a big chest, there's nothing to her personality? I don't think that's fair.

Truth of the matter is, her face is gorgeous, and it's what I was looking at. Not her chest.

Ok, Ok, I get the point. I was making a joke about her having hughe boobs. Okay, that's not true, to be honest. It really bothered me because she lives and the nice flat chested girl gets ran threw with a sword. What sort of message is that? I also didn't say that that's why she doesn't have a personality, in fact, if you notice I never said that she didn't have a personality at all. I said I didn't like her personality, and there is a difference.

To conclude, it's a matter of prefrence, isn't it? In the end, I don't really mind Tifa at all, i was in a terrible mood when I posted the first post, and had had a lot of candy, it was Halloween after all. It's a dangerous combination.

I'm going to say something I shouldn't. This was really a bad response to Rinoa hate over on the FF8 board that had the same sucky points, and I wanted to see what happened over her. I've come to the conclusion that Tifa fans are much toughter then us Rinoa Fans, and probably twenty times tougher then me, the Rinoa/Rikku/Quisty fan. I love Quisty *sigh*. Oh, I forgot my fave FF7 character is Aerith, so that probably was one of the things going though my candy inebriated mind.

 

[.SEPHIROTH.]

I personaly didnt care for Tifa as a character, not ger personal character she had a great story i just didnt use her from the minute i got Yuffie, she was the reason Cloud came to his senses and came back from the mako poisoning she was a strong female lead stronger than Ashe or Rinoa without the bad attitude, and as far as the breasts go i was honestly indifferent she's a pixelated character and i have better things to do with my thoughts, all in all she wasnt a bad character but thats just my opinion

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

No, the problem I am primarily addressing here is the way he chose to express that opinion. His Tripoints (I don't know what else to call them, really) are all very generalized and reveal a lack of consideration on his part. They are, for lack of a better word, elementary.

And what about the way you chose to express your opinion? The obviously reveal a lack of consideration on your part. They are, for lack of a better word, elementary. (Works both ways doesn't it?)

As for the insults, I meant them to be lightly jesting (thus the frilly word-choice), but I admit they are a bit over the top.

While sarcasm is awesome, sadly, it hardly ever works on the internet. (Damn shame too.)

Back on topic. Everyone here should know by now my views on FFVII. While most people think that it's epic, I think that it's over-rated and just... average.

My opinion on Tifa isn't a bad one, nor is it a great one. She came off as annoying throughout most of the game, however, she does have points in the game where she does redeem herself.

She eventually does face her past, although it does take quite a while for her to do so.

Like most characters in the game, she gets a 3/5. I don't like her, but I don't hate her, but like most of the other characters and themes in the game, it just passes off as emo crap.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

No, the problem I am primarily addressing here is the way he chose to express that opinion. His Tripoints (I don't know what else to call them, really) are all very generalized and reveal a lack of consideration on his part. They are, for lack of a better word, elementary.

This leaves me with the feeling that he wanted nothing more to just vent his (arguably unjust) feelings about the character with no real attempt at bettering his understanding. The fact that this thread is titled 'rant' and not something more constructive, like a question or discussion, gives me that impression.

Um, feelings are spur of the moment things aren't they, so I don't think they have to just. The fact that I posted it at all should be a huge hint that I was interested in what people had to say, um otherwise I would have talked to wall, as it couldn't talk back.

Anyway, I'm past the candy, so let's see if I can get some good points out.


1. Tifa isn't the type of female character that I think is good. I find her to be pushy and overbearing. While this could just be an assumption I make of tough women in general. I like understanding people who like to solve things with words and not their fists.

2. Okay, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the boobs, but I have to point out, get it point, anyway that they are there, and are part of her character. Of course, it's slightly immature to mention them, but I think it's even more immature to pretend they don't exist.

3. Tifa could've told Cloud about his past, and it could've saved everyone alot of trouble. This is my largest problem with her. Sure the past is hard, and it's never easy to face it, but at some point you have to, and if she had done it earlier, well alot of bad things wouldn't have happened. To me, this makes her toughness nothing then face deep, as she wasn't really willing to face anything.

I welcome different opinions then mine, and in fact I love to read other people's opinions. If you don't agree with me, tell me, but please be polite about it. I understand that Tifa is a favored character. I would never dream of intenionally starting some sort of fight or something, I just thought it interesting that I seem to be one of the few who felt this way about Tifa.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Daenerys]

Guys, you don't need to use personal attacks to argue with their opinion, if you don't like what they say, that's fine, but there is no need to call them immature and such, debate all you like, but don't get personal please.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Nor am I angry at the immature way you attack a character with obvious little mental effort at understanding the character. Well, with little mental effort entirely, really. I believe this to be a result of limited physical capacity.

Really quite cruel, and unnecessary. Hurts a lot. However, I'd like to point out that it really says so much more about you then it does me. Anyway, I respect your right to disagree with you.

Oh damn! I thought I edited that out! What the hell!?
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Yes, I did edit it out. I save all my posts before posting (in case the browser does something wacky and decides to die) so that I won't lose anything. I'm staring right at it right now and that isn't in there.

Bloody computer. >(

Well, damn. I'm truly sorry, my good man. I hadn't realized that I hadn't copied the completely edited/final version of the post before I posted it. You see, when writing something jestingly, I just scrawl out any basic 'pokes' immediately, so I don't forget them when I go back and edit. Somehow, this one was weeded out (deemed too insulting), but it still snuck in. Damned if I know how it did! As I explained to Mandi, I was rushing when I posted and tried to hurry back and edit it before anyone had time to post (she beat me to it) and I guess when I hit ctrl+c the 'c' button didn't get enough pressure. It happens occasionally on this darn laptop.

Well, I don't know if you'll believe me or not, but I am sorry. That wasn't supposed to be there and I just got lazy and didn't read it after posting to check.

I

might point out to you that in the same game, the other character weren't so "disproportionate", so it's obvious that it was quite intentional.

Ah, actually there's a few that are a bit... off. Take Cloud's hair, for example. Quite a flag he is flying there, no? Look closer in some cutscenes and his 'hair-spike' isn't as jutting as the mini-avatar would have you think. Other examples would be Barret's gun-arm, Vincent's shoes, and Red's hind legs (they appear smaller when they're actually not supposed to.)

It's small things, but they add up nonetheless. Also, Tifa is wearing a white shirt. I mentions this because, well, we all know that black is 'slimming' right? White is the opposite. Wearing white makes you look bigger. Considering this, Tifa's prominences would appear bigger than they really are, when it really is just an optical illusion.

Um, feelings are spur of the moment things aren't they, so I don't think they have to just. The fact that I posted it at all should be a huge hint that I was interested in what people had to say, um otherwise I would have talked to wall, as it couldn't talk back.

Really, this thread doesn't so much come from intense hate of Tifa, as it does from intense hate of her being considered the greatest thing to happen to FF. I'm willing and quite able to admit that my points are the most weighty, but I did label this as a rant, and not as some deep look at her character.

These quotes contradict each other. I can honestly say that I'm quite confused now.

Well... then I must say, what was the purpose of this thread? Did you really mean to just... er, rant? On many forums that is considered bad form. Since I'm not a representative of this forum (i.e. staff member) I can't say that it holds true here. But I thought you should know for the future that rant's without any purpose are not generally welcomed.

Anyways, from the way you ended your post 'Tell me how you feel' felt like a opening to discussion. To me at least. I appeal to the forum at large on this matter. Is a rant appropriate?

I suppose I should've said that somwhere in my first post, but I was at my Aunt and Uncles, and wasn't quite comfortable there alone, so my focus was on other stuff.

I think I understand.

So, if anyone else has anything to say, please do, but be mature and don't insult someone who doesn't agree with you. I thank all of those who already posted and were quite nice despite my views. As for those who weren't, I don't really care.

Already established that I was playfully jesting and I never intended to do any actual harm. I'm mature enough to admit that I was wrong and apologize. Does that tell you anything?

In any case, I think it's time you (or someone at least) moved this thread along; introduce a new talking point. The posts are getting somewhat repetitious. <.<

And what about the way you chose to express your opinion? The obviously reveal a lack of consideration on your part. They are, for lack of a better word, elementary. (Works both ways doesn't it?)

I agree, it was elementary since I didn't have sufficient time to modify them appropriately. So glad you noticed!

And, well, I did make the National Sarcasm Society club, you know.