Pedophilia: The Next Legitimate Minority?

[Channizard]

So I was watching Law and Order: SVU and it was an episode on a pedophile suspected of rape. Well, he admitted to it.. but he admitted to having a 'relationship' with the child. Then when in contact with another child and talking with them, he said something along the lines of "Don't worry, I would never expect you to cheat on your dad." Cheat? Relationship?

Later on the episode brought in a previous relationship of the pedophile, however she admitted that she knew what they were doing, even though she was very young, but that they loved each other.

He later went on to try and justify their relationship. It was somewhere along the line, that he made a twisted point. 50 years ago, black and white people couldn't intermingle.. they couldn't get married. Well, not only that but it was almost unheard of to see any interracial relationship. Up until a couple years, and still ongoing right now, The US is legalizing gay marriage (slowpokes, we already done it ;D). That doesn't leave anything much else of a minority for us, as humanity to get over... except for Pedophila.

My question to you, forum-goes, is this. Do you think, eventually maybe somewhere in a few years, it's going to be okay for a grown man and a young boy to have an open relationship with each other? Will we accept this (atrocious) minority one day, because maybe simply, we're just a 'close minded' generation, like our forefathers before us?

If pedophiles are in a relationship with children, who are aware of what's going on, is it wrong?

 

[Noize]

You're kidding right?

....No, i don't think pedophilism will be legallised and accepted as a minority anytime soon.....that is, unless the prez develops some funky fetishes....

 

[Terra Branford]

Will we accept this (atrocious) minority one day, because maybe simply, we're just a 'close minded' generation, like our forefathers before us?

I have a feeling it will be....Sadly.

NAMBLA is already trying it and many other Pedophiles.

People have no idea how this effects and harms a child. NAMBLA uses the fact that the little boys trust them and whatnot, as a reason for the little boys to love them in a relationship, when this isn't true at all. The child trusts, as all children do.

Argh! It just ticks me off thinking about it! Argh! :C

You're kidding right?

You do realize many, many other countries have this legalized right? Yes, yes, I know, the USA is different.

But you never know.

South America has the age of 9. Its only a matter of time (20+30 years?) before we lower the age from 18 to 16 > 15 > 14 > 13 > 12 > 10 > 9.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Thats FORUM GOERS!

Yes.

Because children dont have the experience to know what is wrong or right, out side of the fact that its wrong, the whole idea of relationships is between to adults/people who choose to be there.

Children dont seek out grown ups for relationships.

They are put in those situations by people who take advantage of the naivety, and often brainwash them to that end. Pediphilia is not a minority, its a blight on humanity. Ypu cant at any rate justify the acts involved with this horrible thing.

At no rate will this be acceptable.

Its the worst thing about humanity, well its up there, and if this becomes acceptable WTF is next? Some lines can not and should not be crossed.

 

[Terra Branford]

Thats FORUM GOERS!

Yes.

Because children dont have the experience to know what is wrong or right, out side of the fact that its wrong, the whole idea of relationships is between to adults/people who choose to be there.

Children dont seek out grown ups for relationships.

They are put in those situations by people who take advantage of the naivety, and often brainwash them to that end. Pediphilia is not a minority, its a blight on humanity. Ypu cant at any rate justify the acts involved with this horrible thing.

At no rate will this be acceptable.

Its the worst thing about humanity, well its up there, and if this becomes acceptable WTF is next? Some lines can not and should not be crossed.

I've seen people who have had this in their childhood. Its...not good. It hurt them beyond anything I can think of. They no longer trusted adults, especially their fathers (I don't mean for this to come off badly) and their parental life was just shattered, even if it wasn't a parent that did it.

I pray that this will never come to be, but I have a feeling, which I hope is wrong, it will be. Someday in the future.... :wtf:

I agree wholeheartled with your post, Galaxy. Especially the end bolded.

Raping/Touching a child in any way, I think, is the worse thing a human can do. The worse about humanity.

 

[Martel]

I can see this happening in the future. It doesn't matter what we as a society think of it right now - a few years ago, homosexuality was frowned upon by society as a whole as well. Ultimately, morality is totally unimportant. Morality can be shifted to suit your needs, and if pedophiles can justify their acts so that they satisfy the authorities - which I believe that they will, eventually - who is to stop them?

Humanity as a collective is always going to be close-minded, its how we are. We shun and hate anything different, or anything we don't understand. But in the desire to be more open-minded and "fair", we disgard such concepts such as morality in favour of the even-shakier concept of "human rights".

I think that, eventually, morality will be done away with entirely collectively and when it comes to relationships, anything will go. Collectively, nothing will be frowned upon. Incest, pedophilia, you name it. Because really, there isn't that much of a difference between those two and homosexuality and heterosexuality, asides your perspective, and perspective changes.

 

[Noize]

Terra, Pete.

You just warped my view on the world.

I had no idea other contries already do Phedophilism and are accepted as a minority.....

 

[Rydia]

As a victim, I sure as hell hope not. I won't say anything more about that.

Too often the pedophile lures the child in, brainwashes, and soon abuses. The child is left feeling scared and dirty. Pedos threaten children that if they ever tell anyone, they will either be hurt, in trouble, abandoned by parents ect... In worse cases, children are kidnapped for someone's sick pleasure.

Children themselves do not need romantic relationships. They need time to be children.

And I don't buy the BS that the pedo can't help it. We don't find it acceptable for men to kidnap and rape women. And if I find someone attractive who is not interested in me, I don't kidnap and rape or brainwash. so why excuse a pedo for this behavior?

 

[Terra Branford]

Terra, Pete.

You just warped my view on the world.

I had no idea other contries already do Phedophilism and are accepted as a minority.....

I could not detect sarcasm in this post if there was sarcasm in it. Otherwise, if not, then at least you know it.

Down in some parts of South America and east of that, the age limit is 5-6.

 

[Noize]

I could not detect sarcasm in this post if there was sarcasm in it. Otherwise, if not, then at least you know it.

Down in some parts of South America and east of that, the age limit is 5-6.

I was serious...I don't watch too much Television, or read newspapers or any sort of news source unless it comes from ninemsn.....

That's just....urgh i don't have a word for how psycologically debilitating that would be...

 

[GalaxyFlare]

They must figure................ugh you cant stop you it might as well try and put some kind of control on it?

Ridiculous!

 

[SaShman]

I think it will never be accepted within Western civilization. However many past societies have accepted or at least tolerated it, so the idea of a society accepting pedophilia is not necessarily beyond comprehension, but I don't see the West accepting it any time soon or ever for that matter.

 

[Gaige]

Children are developing. From birth until about 16 or 17, a child is going through constant physical changes in height, weight and hormones. Hormones influence emotions to a great degree, and what a child considers a good idea then, they probably won't when they're older.

Fortunately, I've never experienced paedophilia first hand, although I've helped friends and others through it. But it's like Rydia said. Kids need time to be kids. Kids have this forced on them and it affects them negatively for their entire lives. If that can be avoided, why shouldn't it be?

 

[Channizard]

All very good points, specifically Terra who brought up other countries who have already legalized this, as I wasn't aware.

A debate with pedophilia is that psychologists, victims and victim family members all consider it a disease, something that is thrust upon them not by choice. It's a sickness of one man (or woman) who has a deranged and twisted way of looking at life and love, and makes a victim out of a child.

However pedophiles will argue that this is a lifestyle choice, a way of life, no different than being gay. They don't victimize children, they're just finding life partners. And to some extent (as in the example that I used in the OP) where some children are aware of what's going on, it's kind of true.

I'm talking about mainly children (or young adults) who get into knowing relationships with adults, who may or may not brainwash.. but there's no threatening if they leave (because eventually once puberty hits, the adult gets bored anyway). Does that make it, any more okay?

 

[CassinoChips]

Because really, there isn't that much of a difference between those two and homosexuality and heterosexuality, asides your perspective, and perspective changes.

There is a huge.... HUGE difference between Pedophilia and homosexuality. Pedophilia is an emotionally traumatizing and scarring event, perpetuated by an adult upon an underage victim that is incapable of fully understanding the ramifications of what they are having done to them. Homosexuality is a sexual preference that is biologically driven, and manifests between two adults, or between two teenagers/young adults of a similar age group.

South America has the age of 9. Its only a matter of time (20+30 years?) before we lower the age from 18 to 16 > 15 > 14 > 13 > 12 > 10 > 9.

Some states' age of consent is 16. I don't think you would find any politician that would support a bill lowering the age of consent below 16, because probably 99+% of Americans would run him/her out of office for doing so.

But more importantly, why would the U.S. do something just because a South American country did/does it?

Also, South America is a continent made up of several individual countries, none of whom, in what little research I just did, have an age of consent lower than 13 (save Bolivia, which defines it as "upon reaching puberty").

 

[Gaige]

I'm inclined to think not, because the child has probably been brainwashed. Sex is supposed to be a beautiful thing, and something you do by choice, because whether or not it's a physical act, it connects two people, and just consider someone playing with dolls and action men having sex with people 5 times their age and above. They won't come out of that intact. They might still act like kids, but that moment has been taking by someone who has brainwashed them, and when they grow up and realize that, they won't be in a good place. Dramatic yes. But also true.

Britain has an age of consent of 16. Ireland has 17.

Imma bring Geography into this.

Most Third World countries or developing Third World countries tend to have a high birth rate. Why? Because the age of consent is low. South America, Africa. All are Third World or developing into a more resource healthy nation.

Developed countries like Western/Central Europe, East Asia, North America and Australia have this higher age of consent. Hence, development. No nations to my knowledge have gone up then down again. It's all a part of development.

 

[CassinoChips]

Most Third World countries or developing Third World countries tend to have a high birth rate. Why? Because the age of consent is low. South America, Africa. All are Third World or developing into a more resource healthy nation.

Developed countries like Western/Central Europe, East Asia, North America and Australia have this higher age of consent. Hence, development. No nations to my knowledge have gone up then down again. It's all a part of development.

To add on to both this point and my own, Guyana raised its age of consent in 2005, from 13 to 16. Peru raised theirs from 14 to 18 in 2006, then in 2007 tried to move it back down to 14, but the bill was so ridiculed that it was quickly withdrawn, and the age of consent remains at 18.

 

[SaShman]

However pedophiles will argue that this is a lifestyle choice, a way of life, no different than being gay. They don't victimize children, they're just finding life partners.

To counter argue, the idea of a pedophile finding a life partner is contradictory. If a pedophile is exclusively attracted to children and starts a relationship with a child then what happens when said child grows up? Is that really a life partner? Because pedophilia is inherently based on physical attraction it is inherently superficial, thus the whole life partner argument is invalid imo.

In my opinion pedophilia is not a disease or a choice it is merely a sexual attraction. The obvious problem is that the recipient of this attraction (ie the child) is in a naive and vulnerable state. As far as the idea of a child being able to develop a relationship with an adult out of their own free will is concerned, I don't really believe a preteen is emotionally developed enough to be in such a relationship. I remember me and some of my class mates had crushes on teachers and various celebrities but I don't think any of us would have been able to actually pursue a meaningful relationship with these people.

 

[Channizard]

Well if we're bringing Geography into this...

All of Canada is the same, the US seems to vary all over the place (God damn, make up your mind?) but I'm actually shocked at the 'no law' blacked out part of the world... Where is that?

To counter argue, the idea of a pedophile finding a life partner is contradictory. If a pedophile is exclusively attracted to children and starts a relationship with a child then what happens when said child grows up? Is that really a life partner? Because pedophilia is inherently based on physical attraction it is inherently superficial, thus the whole life partner argument is invalid imo.

Ahh, you caught me. You're right though, so maybe they're not 'life' partners... More like, agism partners. But my point still stands that they try to take the word victim out of it, and place in partner, as if it's a mutual decision of both parties (like most relationships are.)

 

[Gaige]

That's mainly Saudi Arabia from what I've seen on an African Map. They reserve the right to execute homosexuals and cross dressers, and have often done so in recent years.