Octomom - To the Economy's Rescue!

[Mitsuki]

I'm sure some of you have heard of the infamous 'octomom', Nadya Suleman who has 14 kids and has no income, whatsoever. Her mom was helping her take care of her six children and that was an exhausting task for her. Ah but wait! She's not done yet! She wants eight more kids and so Nadya decided it would be a very bright idea to have another in-vitro fertilization...and yes, her other six kids were the result of that as well. Her other eight kids were born less than a month ago. She did it because 'she wants to be loved', and so voila, she now have 14 kids in total. Oh and let's not forget - her first three kids are disabled and receiving federal assistance.

All right, let's examine this situation. First, where would she pull that kind of money to support her kids? Ah, the government, of course! (state and federal). I mean duh, can't really track the father of those 8 kids because of the nature of her pregnancy. I honestly think the doctor who implanted the embryos should be fired and all his medical license taken away because it's a no-brainer that she obviously wouldn't be able to support 8 kids all by herself. A news outlet had even estimated the amount of money she would have to spend to pay for her babies' formulas - a whooping $16,000 a year! That's just formulas - not even funny. She'd still have to pay for the medical bills, the clothes, the diapers, the food, everything! How much would that be in total? Um, more than millions, I'm sure. Not to mention that 'neglect' would definitely come into play in that sort of household.

Get this - she even has a website where people can donate money to her. Alright cool, more power to those who's willing to donate to her, but I'm not supporting her case.

Oh but wait, she had another bright idea! She thought, "Hmm, well since I can't support my kids, I'll make a case about this and have the people of California help support me and my babies by having them pay more taxes." ... Can I give her a knuckle-sandwich or what? I seriously hope the government doesn't approve this because hello, remember our economic crisis? Has it been forgotten? I guess that's one woman who wouldn't have to worry about the economy.

The state should take away her kids because in my opinion, she has an unstable mind. Sorry to say this, but I seriously think her kids need to be put in adoption. They cannot expect the people of California to 'help' support her kids. People are already getting laid off from their jobs left and right - at least have some consideration for the rest of us as well. I mean I feel sorry for her kids and everything, but we all have our lives too. I've never heard of such an outrageous thing where all the citizens of Cali would have to chip in to support one woman who's stupid enough to do what she did.

A lot of people here are mighty pissed, and rightly so. She kinda lives pretty near us - about 15 miles. I shudder at the thought - she's freakin' crazy.

Anyway, here's one of the many links if anyone's interested to have a read through.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/octomom-gets-food-stamps-disability-asst

 

[Bambi]

Thats is absolutely singly the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. WHY oh WHY would any doctor in his right mind agree to inseminate her for yet more kids, when she clearly cant look after the fist bunch

Raising taxes just to support her? Diabolicle (sp). It's hard enough supporting one kid financially, let alone...ughhhh

I agree, the kids should be taken off her and that idiotic doctor should be fired

 

[Gaige]

It is pathetic. If she wants to be loved, does she really think that having fourteen kids she is unable to support will make them love her when they grow up to be adults, in the real world outside of her deluded fantasy? No, they'll resent and even hate her for bringing them into such an unstable lifestyle.

Does she really think the Californian public, or in fact the American public in general, will support and like her should she get her way? No, they'll hate her for raising their taxes during a recession.

Does she think the legal system and the government will love her for wasting thier time on this shit? No, they have murders and rapes and the recession to judge and take care of, and she thinks her time is important?

 

[Daenerys]

I also heard that Octomom is like, obsessed with Angelina Jolie, and spent a lot of money on plastic surgery so she can try to look like her.

Now, I agree with you that the doctor who implanted the embryos should be fired. If she already has 6 kids, she doesn't really need anymore - and it should have been obvious that she's in no fit state to look after 6 children - never mind 14. It's so unfair that this woman was allowed to have in vitro when many many couples who are struggling to have children are refused, or don't have enough money.

It's obvious to me that this woman should have her children taken away from her, I'd disagree with them all being split up, but they should be looked after by someone who can afford to look after them and give them all the love and attention they need and deserve. It's sickening that she's able to sponge off the state when many other parents have to work really hard to look after their families - it's not fair.

She shouldn't have had the extra kids in the first place, especially if she couldn't afford the first 6.

 

[strifehart]

first of all, if you're going to say stuff that you think she was saying/thinking, don't put it in quotes.

and yes, this woman is clearly a moron. it sounds like she's doing it for the attention. she's clearly unbalanced, and people like this need to be...well you know. anyways, i don't think she should have her kids taken away from her. she also shouldn't have any state funding. she can be on welfare, because i suppose that system's already set in place, and there's nothing we can do about that. but yeah, no additional support and she shouldn't be allowed to let her kids into foster care. that's bullshit. she made the mistake and now she needs to deal with it. in fact, if she can't support them, maybe she'd learn her lesson. or maybe she'd keep popping em out, it's all the same to me. and if the kids are miserable, that's fine too. they can blame their dumbass mother.

 

[Mitsuki]

I'm sure everyone can pretty much deduce from the tone that it was my sarcastic way of translating what she had wanted to happen. But okay I shall clear it up - no it doesn't mean that's what she thought exactly, but pretty damn close to it I'm sure due to what might happen here in the next few weeks or so. Also, welfare is state funding.

As for the kids being miserable, I don't quite agree to that. I wouldn't want them to be miserable, despite their mother being so stupid. It's not their fault, which is why I support the idea of them being adopted instead. I know it would be sad that they'd be separated, but I would rather have them living in a good environment rather than with their mother who probably have no care whatsoever about her children's future. If she thinks she can get away with raking money from taxpayers and expect the world to view that act as her way of being a caring/responsible mother and looking out for the welfare of her children, she's dead wrong. I see that as an excuse for her to get rich quickly by taking advantage of her situation - a scam artist. Might be harsh to say that, but hey, what else am I supposed to think? That was a very selfish thing to do.

I mean in fairness, I am not exactly sure what she was thinking at the time or if she does care about her children at all - but I'm making my own opinion based on her situation and unfortunately, my view is not a good one, despite whether she really has good intentions for her children or what. I mean I know there's other parents out there with that many kids or more, but I'm sure they never expected the people in their state help them. I was okay with her asking for donations - fine, whatever. Do what you have to do to live, but seriously, asking the state for help and that resulting to them taking more money out from our taxes? No, not that right way of going about it at all.

I also heard that Octomom is like, obsessed with Angelina Jolie, and spent a lot of money on plastic surgery so she can try to look like her.

Yes, and I guess that also means that we might also have to pay for her plastic surgery since she's in so much debt right now.

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

I heard a little about this story from my mother and I was shocked. I can't believe she would be willing to take on the responsibility of 14 children.

I don't think any of her children will be thanking her when she loses control of everything and starts freaking out. How selfish of her to do that to her children. Her intentions may have been that she wanted a large family to love but the fact of the matter is that none of her children will get the real care they need from their parents.

Quoted from the site Mitsuki posted: Octomum

Angela Suleman said Nadya’s boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

“He was in love with her and wanted to marry her,” she said. “But Nadya wanted to have children on her own.”

Ms. Suleman obviously has psychological problems. But why should the taxpayers pay for them?

Indeed, one has to wonder how much of this has been encouraged by the system.
Maybe Ms. Suleman didn’t want to marry because that would make it harder to qualify for welfare and other support.

Which is certainly one of the reasons why we have seen such burgeoning of single motherhood over the last three decades.

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In Australia that kind of thing wouldn't happen at all when it comes to IVF babies unless the eggs split a few times.

Management of IVF in Australia is characterised by a very careful approach to embryo transfer, in order to reduce the likelihood of multiple births. Unlike some countries, where transfer of more than six embryos is routine, in Australia generally only one or two embryos are transferred in each attempt.

Multiple Births and IVF in Australia

I think more countries need to incorporate this idea into their IVF programs. It just makes the whole process alot less frightening. I think the idea of having twins is a lot better than the idea of possibly having octuplets. You may need to try a few times but it really is worth it in the end.

 

[SaShman]

Lol I first read this story on ED

Anyway, I personally think that they should be put up for adoption since she cannot afford to support them all. I think that increasing the tax for her would be completely unfair on the people who were sensible enough to have less children.

I hope that the kids get put up for adoption so they can have get the love and attention they need. I can't imagine what it would be like to be one of the children growing up in a house with 13 siblings in poverty, but in comparison to my childhood (as a single child) I'd take my childhood any day.

Oh, and for everyone who is pissed off at the Octomom, just imagine the physical pain of pregnancy....then imagine it eight times over...hopefully that helps you sleep a little easier

 

[Shu]

Sorry I'm just now getting around to posting, had one post out of angst last night but busy all day otherwise. So getting on with it, to be quite honest I would not know how to handle this if I were the state.

I mean first of all the woman is claiming 14 stand alone children, I would think if she is alone that Child Services could step in about this and take them away if she was not deemed fit to raise them. I don't know if she is unstable, but it seems so if she is trying to go to court with it on top of making donation sites.

I mean I have heard of orphanages, but for one person, unless you are well endowed financially or sponsored by some institution, I just can't see how this could be justifiable for her to raise them. I would hope the state gives her a psych evaluation before going any further with her shinnanigans.

Personally if I was a CA resident and I was a Mom, I would be wanting to slap her to wake her up, but hey.. I'll keep my man thoughts to myself.

As for Invitro, I thought for sure there would be some qualification as well as dependencies with how many babies you could have.. aye.. Science gone wrong.

 

[Mitsuki]

I wish that was also incorporated in IVF program, Kandy-Sugar. They might do something about it. And I can't believe Dr. Kamrava had also implanted seven embryos into a 49-year-old woman.

The fertility doctor that helped Nadya Suleman give birth to octuplets also provided treatment to a 49-year-old woman who is pregnant with quadruplets, the Los Angeles Times reports.
Sources tell the newspaper that Dr. Michael Kamrava implanted at least seven embryos from younger donor eggs into the woman, who is currently hospitalized.
"I do think it is concerning, and dangerous, especially to the mother," a doctor familiar with the case told the Times. "She is close to 50. When women get to be that age, our fear is the cardiovascular complications, such as stroke or heart attack. That’s how serious this is."

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-implanted-49-year-old-with-seven-embryos?page=1

Yeah he definitely needs his license taken away.

I think that increasing the tax for her would be completely unfair on the people who were sensible enough to have less children.

Agreed. I mean the raise wouldn't be too much at all - hardly anything that would affect an individual's paycheck, but put everything together and the amount totals out to be extremely high in the end. That's what I have a problem with. It's uncalled for. I don't have any respect for this woman and I don't think she deserves any help from the state because that would mean it gets the taxpayers involved as well. It's certainly not our problem.

I also dislike her interview with Ann Curry, basically saying that she would be the best mother for her children. I'm sorry, but she seems to be living in her own fantasy world. As a mother of one child, even I have a hard time telling myself that I'm a good mother to my child because it is not that simple. I refuse to give myself that much credit because I know for a fact that I can always do better. Yes people tell me that I'm a good mother but their word is not what I hang on to day-by-day. I can't just smugly smile and say, "Oh yes, I'm one of the best mothers out there."

Suleman clearly does not strike me as the person who truly knows what she's talking about. Child neglect and abuse would definitely happen, even if it is not intentional. The ratio 3:14 (counting her parents) is not enough, especially with 8 infants. I worked as a daycare teacher and I know how states are very strict about that kind of thing. Time, patience, devotion, and energy are all key factors here - there is no way she can take care of all the children (even with help from her parents) and expect them to have the equal necessary attention they need right away. She's octomom - not supermom. Major issues will happen, whether she likes it or not, but she refuses to see it that way. (Three words I have to say to you, Suleman - "Now that's selfish.")

As for the death threats she's been receiving from a lot of people - now that's going to the extreme. No she doesn't deserved to be punished like that and I can understand if people are pissed off about the situation, but there's no need to be threatning towards her - that endangers her children as well, and that's really worrying. There's many crazy people out there - who knows what they can do and are willing to do. Not only does the children need the love and care they deserve...they now need serious protection as well. They really should do something about that and make the safety of the children as their main priority because of the kind of shit that their mother had pulled.

Anyway, felt like I needed to get that out of my system. I just cannot believe how they're letting this situation slide day by day and have her appear on TV shows wasting her time explaining why she did this and that when she should be at home with her children and helping her parents care for them as the eight infants needs special attention due to the fact that they are preemies. For her children's sake, I do hope that the Child Services come step up and act soon.

 

[Icarus]

I have absolutely NO sympathy for the Octomom. Take her kids away, so that they'll be treated better and won't be relying on federal and state aid. It must suck living near a person who is nationally loathed.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

While this situation is pretty pathetic in general, she could have 30 children and still be less of a burden on society than one normal city block in any poverty region. It certainly doesn't help that this person is so dramatically off-balanced that she needs 14 children to feel love, but if you're going to argue that she's affecting the government because of the federal income she draws, you pretty much have a bullshit argument. One person is not going to make any significant impact on the government. I'm more worried about poverty sections that do this routinely with around 6 children, than I am with one crazy woman who happens to have 14.

The only other thing I can really comment on (without stating the obvious irony of this thread in general) is that it has to really suck to be those kids. From a humanistic perspective, I feel bad for those kids. She wants to be loved but there is no way those kids were born out of love. They weren't mistakes like some children are... but she had them because of her own interests, without any regard for theirs. Her insensitivity to her ability to support them and care for them is the irony and sadness I see. This is the only part that actually bothers me.

 

[Icarus]

but if you're going to argue that she's affecting the government because of the federal income she draws, you pretty much have a bullshit argument

Considering the cost of raising a baby is about $900 each, that's $12,600 alone. Then you have to buy clothes. Then there're vaccinations and formula (do you expect her to breast-feed 8 kids?), diapers, food, and furniture. Her house is a 3-bedroom, 2-bathroom, 1600 sq-ft house, so she'll have to get an addition or new house entirely to even have new room to house her kids. I don't even know how she managed to raise the first batch in the first place. With the stress of raising these kids she might need a psychologist.
Transporting the kids? You can't fit them all in even the biggest van, so you'll need something like a Partridge Family bus. Then there are car seats (and booster seats for the two older kids). The weight of both the kids and the seats would bring down the gas mileage of the bus a LOT. I think it's 1 mile for every 100 lbs. so counting both seats and family should be about 5 or 6 miles off. Diesel still costs a lot too, so that would be a lot of money.

Unless foster homes step in, or some similar organization, we'll have to pay for college too. Fourteen kids? Even the cheapest community college would net at least $3 million from our pockets. If one taxpayer only had to shell out 2 cents, that's two cents too many. We should leave her to raise them alone for a year, so that the financial stress will teach her to not see a doctor to implant embryos ever again.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Not only is that bullshit, even if it was true it's still a drop in the bucket. Something like 18 million families collect child support. 18 million > 14 children = you lose.