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This thread is intended for critisism against the Twilight series, by Stephenie Meyer. I found this book very uninteresting; some parts provoked me to feel like smashing the shit against the wall at the thought of all these teens being attracted to a sexist sick fuck like "Edward." I simply want to present my views and have a discussion. I made this thread apart from the main thread, because I felt it would be trolling to just barge in on the discussion to post this long post. This article summarizes my thoughts on the series, for the most part:

http://psa.blastmagazine.com/2008/08/16/twilight-sucks-and-not-in-a-good-way/ said:
Twilight is the story of the so-called “average” new girl Bella Swan (Ha, ha, get it? Beautiful Swan?), who finds herself as the object of not one, not two, but a total of five boys’ romantic designs (because she’s so “plain”, see?). The most important of these is the mysterious, hilariously-Byronic Edward Cullen. Bella plays the pitiful damsel in distress a few times and after 200 pages of thinly written suspense, we learn that Edward is in fact a vampire. Never fear, though, because Bella’s “Adonis-like” admirer is no Nosferatu. Instead, he and his vampire family are so-called “vegetarian” vampires, feeding off of animals instead of humans and inexplicably attending high school (during lunch periods they buy trays of food and stare at each other so that Bella can conveniently get a glimpse of Edward from across the cafeteria). The first novel deals with Bella and Edward’s romance and is capped off by a hastily tacked-on plot designed to shove Bella into the damsel in distress role yet again so that her vampire lover can save her.

Okay, you’re saying. It’s a little cheesy. But why is that so bad?

First and foremost, the books present a female heroine who can hardly take a step without needing some boy to rescue her. In fact, the books represent sexist views in almost every way-from the fact that Bella gives up her ambitions and plans for college to get married to Edward, the fact that she is portrayed as a modern Eve, begging the noble, moral gentleman for sex while he desires to preserve their virtue, the fact that their relationship is dangerously unhealthy, and finally to the fact that nearly every single female character in the book is a hopelessly negative caricature.

The series does not improve with subsequent books, either. In New Moon, Bella enters a self-described “zombie” state when Edward leaves her. In fact, the author oh-so-cleverly inserts blank pages with the months’ names as a poorly conceived plot device for showing the depths of her heroine’s pain and also to avoid having to write the “hard stuff.” Bella turns near-suicidal; she purposely puts herself in harm’s way-going so far as to jump off a cliff-to hear her lover’s imagined voice in her head.

What does this say to readers, bearing in mind that the target audience is the tragically impressionable 12-17 year old girls? That they should fall apart at the seams for months if their boyfriend leaves them? That reckless self-endangerment is okay, so long as it’s to be close to your lover? What a lovely message to send to young women.
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If this is that movie that people have been clamoring about recently, I have to say I honestly don't see the attraction. I hate to reference South Park but I really think they nailed the overhype of Twilight on the show. Any overly dramatic show or movie with a high school setting instantly gets my stamp of disapproval. If other people like it, that's completely fine but I am just not into those types of films.
 
You made a thread just for the purpose of hating Twilight...? That being said, I don't think the literature sucked. I think the movie sucked, however. Kristen Stewart ruined Bella's character and Robert Pattison made Edward out to be way too tortured and tragic.
 
Thank you for posting this, you are wise beyond your years, m'dear. <3

I'll admit that I enjoyed Twilight when I first read it, I was intrigued by it and wanted to read on. But by the time I got to New Moon and eventually Eclipse (I haven't bothered touching Breaking Dawn) I realised how ridiculous and just generally.. CRAP the books are.

For starters, let's look at the characters. You have Bella; the most dense, stubborn, boring and annoying character I have encountered in a book. She's also extremely humourless and never seems to have any fun at all. The only times when she is 'content' is when she is lusting over Edward, which is just not healthy at all. I think this point is proved in New Moon where he is gone for most the book and she does nothing but wallow and complain about the 'hole' in her chest and how she can't breathe, and then decides to throw away her whole life and family to become a vampire for this guy. I mean, what does THAT tell young, impressionable teenage girls? That it's okay to be completely dependent on a guy so young? And that it's fine to change yourself completely for a guy, 'if you really love him'?! But oh no, Bella never thinks anything through does she, because Edward is just so dazzlingly beautiful and perfect that she's completely unable to think rationally around him.

Now let's move over to Mr Perfect himself. Firstly, let's all get over the fact that he's mind-numbingly handsome (as difficult as that may be, seeing as it's all Bella ever talks about). Now that that's gone... what is it exactly that is so great about him? Is it that he's a stalker and sneaks into Bella's room every night to watch her sleep? Oh wait, that's not endearing, that's creepy! Honestly, besides the fact that he is oh-so devoted to her from day one and would die to protect her, what is the basis of their relationship besides his looks and her idiocy? Maybe it's because her non-existant personality matches his non-existant personality that they got on so well. And by 'well' I mean they can stare into each other's eyes all day and not get bored.

Now, onto the plot. 'What plot?' I hear you say. :rolleyes: Meyer seems to have a little theme going on here that nothing happens at all throughout the book until in the last couple of chapters where Bella is in some kind of danger, and big brave Edward comes and saves her at the last minute. True, in New Moon it was Bella who flew to Italy to save Edward, but the principle is still the same.


I'll stop there for now... -__-
 
You made a thread just for the purpose of hating Twilight...?
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The intention of the thread is not to mindlessly bash Twilight... I just want to express my views and get some feedback on them. That's all. I realized that my original post had been a bit rude, so I corrected some things. I'm sorry if I came off as offensive.

Thank you for posting this, you are wise beyond your years, m'dear. <3
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Why thanks. ~

I'll admit that I enjoyed Twilight when I first read it, I was intrigued by it and wanted to read on.
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Same here... Once I got around 60 pages into the book, it begun to annoy me.

For starters, let's look at the characters. You have Bella; the most dense, stubborn, boring and annoying character I have encountered in a book. She's also extremely humourless and never seems to have any fun at all. The only times when she is 'content' is when she is lusting over Edward, which is just not healthy at all. I think this point is proved in New Moon where he is gone for most the book and she does nothing but wallow and complain about the 'hole' in her chest and how she can't breathe, and then decides to throw away her whole life and family to become a vampire for this guy. I mean, what does THAT tell young, impressionable teenage girls? That it's okay to be completely dependent on a guy so young? And that it's fine to change yourself completely for a guy, 'if you really love him'?! But oh no, Bella never thinks anything through does she, because Edward is just so dazzlingly beautiful and perfect that she's completely unable to think rationally around him.

Now let's move over to Mr Perfect himself. Firstly, let's all get over the fact that he's mind-numbingly handsome (as difficult as that may be, seeing as it's all Bella ever talks about). Now that that's gone... what is it exactly that is so great about him? Is it that he's a stalker and sneaks into Bella's room every night to watch her sleep? Oh wait, that's not endearing, that's creepy! Honestly, besides the fact that he is oh-so devoted to her from day one and would die to protect her, what is the basis of their relationship besides his looks and her idiocy? Maybe it's because her non-existant personality matches his non-existant personality that they got on so well. And by 'well' I mean they can stare into each other's eyes all day and not get bored.

Now, onto the plot. 'What plot?' I hear you say. Meyer seems to have a little theme going on here that nothing happens at all throughout the book until in the last couple of chapters where Bella is in some kind of danger, and big brave Edward comes and saves her at the last minute. True, in New Moon it was Bella who flew to Italy to save Edward, but the principle is still the same.
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Word.
And you're so right; Bella really is too miserable, aside from her infatuation with Edward... The relationship is so unhealthy, and it actually makes me feel depressed.
 
Usually I'm not into radical hatred-fandoms, but I must say, Twilight has to be some sort of plague. If it weren't so popular I doubt I'd be nearly as disgusted with it as I am.

Honestly, it's the popularity. When I first read it (summer 07 I think) I had no idea how popular it was. My friend reccomended it to me, I read it passively, finished it within a week. I ended up skimming large chunks due to the amount of purple prose, lack of vocabulary, predictability etc. After, I simply returned it to the library and put it out of my mind. It left a sort of bad taste in my mouth, but I didn't really think too much of it. I may have actually enjoyed it, had there not been so much bastardization of vampire folklore.

I've seen this book countless times before, in a little place called Fanfiction.net. That's all this book really is, slighty better written fanfic (stress the slightly). Bella Swan (beautiful swan? snicker) is a gigantic Mary-Sue, with Edward being her Gary-Stu. They're faulty, but their faults are glorified, so their faults =/= character flaws. As mentioned, Edward's stalker tendencies aren't creepy or obsessive at all, no, it's him being "protective and caring." From the top of my head, Bella's only character fault other than being completely uninteresting, is that she's clumsy, which is presented as "endearing and cute." Despite the fact that she's supposed to be a very ordinary teen, she somehow manages to have all the hottest guys in town fall in love with her. Honestly, in a real life high school, people only give a crap about the new girl for about a week.

Seriously, these characters are not interesting - I can't praise any sort of book with characters that drab. I'm pretty sure Stephenie Meyer wrote Twilight as a self-insertion book. Not to mention, the pretention of the author can get irritating as well. I'm not sure if it was the magazine blowing things out of proportion, or bad second-hand information, but I recall her comparing Edward to the likes of Heathcliffe and Mr. Darcy. That is the point where it's no longer simple dislike, but becomes almost offensive. I sincerely hope the author realizes her books are simple teen fluff pieces, and do not even come close to the things she has allegedly compared them to.

When I think about it, it's not even the book I really have a problem with. It's the glorification of the book that makes me cringe.
 
I've never had the guts to really read it, and this stems almost entirely from being in high school, sitting in the library and listening to twittery girls going on and on and on and on about how incredible Twilight was. I thought, for a fleeting moment, they were on to something, until I picked it up, skimmed, and counted the adjectives.

I guess I thought the sheer size of each book warranted some kind of quality, and I admire Meyer for being able to write something that big, I do. God knows, I'm lucky when I manage a short story over 1,000 words, and by no means do I consider myself a good writer, but...fuck. Adjectives! Page after page of endless, overburdened crap.

When I think about it, though, I feel like the size is a large part of why it's so popular. People feel smart when they consume a 500 page book in two days, not taking into account the fact that it's written at like a 5th grade reading level. I just...I wish JK Rowling had never stopped Harry Potter, because then maybe this travesty wouldn't have happened.
 
I haven't seen the movie yet (but I've heard many many things) but I have read the books and let me just say, I agree with you looneymoon! Edward and Bella are the most moronic mary-sue/gary-stu characters EVER.
Take Bella for instance, she starts off saying she's "ugly and plain looking etc" and yet EVERY RETARDED MORON IN FORKS seems to fall for her, wtf is that? clearly she's the most gorgeous thing on this planet and yet, she still calls herself ugly even when Edward, the most secksiet mofo evar calls her beautiful.

I hate it how Edwards Mr perfect pansy man, "oooh look at me I have beautiful chesnut hair and I'm thin yet am very muscily, I also sparkle in the sun and am a 108 year old virgin."
His flaws? oh he has none.

Then there's Jacob, I like him only because he's not Edward or Bella.
The way he's described it seems as if he's full of flaws:
He's got black hair (oh noes a flaw!) and he's muscly(another flaw, oh my) and good looking but -god forbid- he's not as good looking as the 108 year old.
He's also an unattractive werewolf.

Don't get me started on Edwards sparkling.

I also hate the fact that their "eternal love" only came about because she's a shallow beish and he wanted to eat her.

But I'll admit, I did like Twilight until New Moon came out and Bella became the town bike moving from Jacob back to Edward and then back again.
The last book however made me hate all the characters, why? because:
A baby bursts out of Bella's stomach, Jacob imprints on the baby, a baby bursts out of Bella's stomach, there was no epic battle of teh vampirezz, Edward bites pillows, the baby has a stupid name, Bella's choices in names were ghey a baby bursts out of Bella's stomach, Bella's has a stupid power and a baby burst out of Bella's stomach
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Oh the many lulz I had while reading Breaking Dawn.

I'll most likley be back here again.
 
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^Lol. Its amusing no doubt.

I thought the book was totally exagerrated in describing Edward. Perfect? My, a peek at the poster of the movie Twilight pasted on wall of my cousin's room totally ruined it.

I didn't think it was so bad actually, more like some journal of sorts. Being a guy myself, perhaps its because i cannot understand how a girl feels about love? Eitherway, I didn't really think it obsessive, honestly.

But i couldn't help thinking Edward's perfection in Bella's eyes were somewhat crap.. The only interesting thing was.. The vampire fights, lol! Even then, it wasn't as dramatic as i wanted it to be, so too bad.

P.S I'll still move on to Breaking Dawn, just to complete the series for the fun of it. That considering i did read it for fun actually =D
 
I read "Twilight" before it became hype and really enjoyed it; that opinion won't change. On it's own, I think it's a good book. But I'm certainly not a fan of the SERIES.

"New Moon" was a bit boring. :S And I agree with the view that Bella was...well, OTT to the max; somewhat sad; an appalling example of a female herion. Same for Edward. I'm all for their devotion, but it felt a bit forced and fake 'cause it was so... "strong". As for "Eclipse"...well, it felt like more of the same so I stopped reading half way through and I haven't started on "Breaking Dawn". I don't think Stephenie's a bad author ("Twilight" remains my second favourite book). But, yeah, I didn't like others in the series at all. :/

Also, I would like to note that the interpretation now, since it has become hype, is likely to be that of the mainstream audience. Newcomers to the series aren't likely to read it in the same way I did. I, similarly, would not have read it in the same way had I picked it up after it became popular...and I would have probably refused to read it. Haha.

Oh, and I did enjoy the film! A lot! But I agree that Edward was made out to be a LITTLE too tragic. I imagined him to be more buoyant and slightly...well, cheeky (I suppose). But I can't say I disliked Robert's portrayal of him at all. It was just different. =]
 
I'm the same as you, Lirael. I did like Twilight when I first read it but got put off the series the more I read. Although saying that, as I read more I also began to realise all the annoying things about the characters and plot.

I wouldn't say that Twilight is TERRIBLE, because obviously if it was then it would have never gone as far as it did. It's an easy read for somebody who wants just that, an easy read that doesn't mean anything. I certainly know that I wouldn't be as annoyed by it if it didn't have all of this undeserved hype. Like people comparing them to the Harry Potter series! Hellooooo?! There's an enormous difference between the two. For one thing, J.K. Rowling actually had a PLOT to each of her stories. You know, they actually WENT somewhere. And you knew throughout the whole book that they were leading up to something because it was introduced early on. For most of the time I was reading Twilight, I kept thinking 'okay, this is nice and all, but when is something actually going to happen?'.
Not to mention Rowling did her research too. Although I don't think it's exactly fair to criticise Meyer about her changes made to the vampire myth. That is to say, saying that she didn't do her research or whatever into that. If you don't like her vampires then that's fair enough, but in the book Bella DID ask Edward why he was able to go out in sunlight and stuff like that, so it's not like Meyer just made it up from scratch. Although I will say that it would have been cooler if the vampires did match the traditional mythology. =(
 
Well, I finally found a copy of the first book today, and I bought books 2 and 3 earlier this week, so I can finally start reading it to see what the heck the whole fuss is about.

Seriously, just mention Twilight to any of the girls I know and they instantly turn to gushy sludge about Edward. Mention Bella and they're like "Yeah, Bella sucks. BUT EDWARD IS TEH SEXORZ!" So...I'm thinking it's totally and utterly over-hyped >_>
 
Oh gawd... If my sister goes on about Edward being fit one more time i'm smashing her face -__- Seriously, since watching the film she's gone 100% pure fangirl... I also don't see why it's hyped when there's little story and EVEN LESS character development. If Edward wasn't in it I doubt the film/books would sell, my sis actually had a cry fit today because Edward hardly shows up in two moons.

Edward as well as most characters seem to lack individual personalities as well and as far as I can see it's just a high school crush story.
 
I hate twilight! How can you make a movie about vampires that protect humans?! That goes against EVERYTHING that vampires by nature should do. Plus the main character edward or whatever looks skinny and malnourished and has a big head. If i hear another chick say that he is so hot i duno what i'll do! lol :mark:
 
I think Robert Pattinson is kind of hot. It's the lean body, couples with the long legs. It's kinda sexy :monster: Edward Cullen, isn't very desirable, imo.

Funnily enough, Robert Pattinson seems to have the same idea of Twilight as we do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEq0XSjEJms&feature=channel_page

At about 3 minutes and 10 seconds in, he describes his experience with reading the book. "I don't really know why they like it." "I was convinced that Stephenie was convinced that she was Bella." "It was a book that wasn't supposed to be published." etc.

I agree with him... but I find it funny hearing all this stuff that I think, as a non-Twilight fan, coming from the mouth of the guy who plays the most important character. Not to mention, it's a little surprising that he's so upfront of his apparant dislike of the book.
 
Bella Swan.

This character completely destroys the book. I liked it, and her, until Edward appeared. Then she turned into this zombie who's only use is to lust after him. And think about him. And obsess over him.

And, I'd LOVE it if the author could think of an adjective other than "Perfect" to describe Edward. I really really would. He's such a mary-sue character, it's untrue.
 
I second that. Movie posters for Twilight only show some girl in a denim jacket embracing a weird-looking tall teenage boy looking like a sex slave. What the hell is the plot about?
I also hate all those "simple but elegant" covers for the books. A book cover should tell what the story is about, not show a chess set, an apple, or a ribbon breaking in two. If I see one more person blabbing about "omg edwurd is smexy n hot n bellas all so cuute" I don't know what I'll do.
But I'm just a wroth. What the hell do I care about this story?
(Bonus: I saw a page of an interview with Stephanie Meyer. She herself said that the only reason why she wrote Twilight is because she saw a "damn good looking" vampire in a dream. I'm guessing the series is 99% romance, 1% tongue darts.)
 
I actually didn't want to see the movie at first. I was like, "How many different vampire movies can there be? How much different can it be to the last one I saw?"

But my brother convinced me it was the shiz. He gave me the first book and I went to see the movie that night with my partner.

It was a decent love story I thought but it was also meant to be a vampire movie, which should usually involve more action. Whenever the opportunity arose for a fight they seemed to dismiss it with some lame excuse.

I'm still going to read the books. It wasn't a terrible movie, it just seemed to go nowhere most times. >_<

And I swear that the majority of the fan-girls (whom I saw buying the books last week at nearly every shop I went to) won't even get past the first page.

They're probably expecting a picture book of Edward Cullen/Robert Pattinson. :mark:

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EDIT: Oh my gosh. I was reading the acknowledgments in the Twilight book and Stephenie Meyer's parents names are Steve and Candy. =D That's me and my partners' name (my name is really spelt with a 'C' but I change it to 'K' to suit me =P). =D How cool. :P
 
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I love Twilight, the first book. My fella got me the special edition version as I do love that story. But as Im not enjoying the others as much as I thought I would. I do agree about Bella being a dull character, but Edward was exciting to me. I think Robert Patterson looks like a nice bloke, but I wouldnt class him as Edward. Hell I envisioned red haired Matt Bellamy as Edward rofl!!

It isnt the best book Ive ever read, I dont have one of those, but its better then most of the new stuff thats come out lately.
 

I haven't read, and I don't plan on ever reading it. If I want to watch or read about a bunch of vamps and some girl who's to eager, I'd go watch Buffy. And in my opinion Buffy is a lot better anyways.

I'm not sure if I hate it but I don't like it, that's for sure!
Lets just say, you won't see me watching it lol

Mariella

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