How did Jecht get to Spira???

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I know there was a thread here before but nobody posted on it for 5 years... So i figured i would revive it by stating what i think happened and get others opinions as well... they never mention how he got there so it is a good discussion

I honestly think that the dream world of the Fayth has a boundary... When jecht went out to sea for his training i dont think sin brought him back... that doesnt seem right... why would sin do that??? the only reason sin came for tidus was because sin was jecht and he knew the only person he could rely on was tidus... but i think when jecht went out to sea he went out too far and probably hit a storm or something and woke up in spira... i mean it does seem plausible and makes more sense then sin taking him away
 
You can't just listen to the story, say "that's not good enough" and substitute it for whatever you want. He went too far out into the sea and came in contact with Sin, it's implied this was an accident rather than purposeful on Sin's part. It's not like when Jecht/Sin came specifically to bring Tidus to Spira, it was an accidental encounter
 
Isaac said:
You can't just listen to the story, say "that's not good enough" and substitute it for whatever you want. He went too far out into the sea and came in contact with Sin, it's implied this was an accident rather than purposeful on Sin's part. It's not like when Jecht/Sin came specifically to bring Tidus to Spira, it was an accidental encounter
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you know they never mentioned that at all so im skeptical on that... i've played through the game many times over and i dont think it was Sin who brought Jecht... you would think that if Sin was there before he would have attacked Zanarkand long before Jecht became Sin... so in all honesty it doesnt sound right tht Sin accidentally brought Jecht to Spira
 
Sin is supposed to protect dream Zanarkand. I'm not sure if it ever explicitly says that Sin brought Jecht to Spira, but there's no other way. Jecht couldn't have swum that far by himself. I don't think Sin carried him like he did Tidus, but he did 'help' Jecht get there.
 
There is a bunch of things wrong with what everybody's asking. So let's start from the beginning.

Essentially, Tidus and Jecht aren't real. Never were real, never will be real, never could be real. They were just dreams of the fayth. But we know this, right? The game explains this part easily enough.

Jecht and Tidus only exhisted within Dream Zanarkand, a figmit of Zanark's past 1000 years past preserved forever in time just before the War, a point where it was at it's peak of perfection. When Sin was summoned/created, Yu Yevon simultaneously created Dream Zanarkand with the fayth of the people, keeping them dreaming for 1000 years, which was why they are so exhuasted and just want to rest. Now here's the tricky part. While Dream Zanarkand isn't in itself a real place with real people, it IS a very real location.

When Jecht comes for Tidus as Sin (and he does, with Auron's help), they go to Dream Zanarkand, which is located nearby to Baaj Temple. They didn't go back 1000 years, Tidus didn't get sucked into a Wormhole of time, he was merely transported a mere few miles away before he was found by Rikku. Why nobody knows of Dream Zanarkand is because the city is surrounded by sea walls, disabling any attempt to come into contact with it, and thus also making it hidden. As seen in artwork.

Jecht got to Spira as he was out training at sea one day. Sin was nearby within the sea and pulled Jecht from the Dream Zanarkand into real time/world Spira. Jecht, having gone through this once, goes and does it himself to bring Tidus into real world Zanarkand, to try and end the cycle. Jecht knew Tidus would be of some help, even the fayth knew this to be true, that's why Bahamut's fayth was watching Tidus grow up and appears all throughout his timeline/history.

tl;dr. Jecht DID come for Tidus (with Auron's help) as Tidus was the only one who could help break the cycle. Dream Zanarkand is half real/half not, and was located in real time Spira, not in the past. Jecht got pulled in by Sin, and did the same to bring Tidus back to try and defeat Sin once and for all.
 
I asked this question a while ago. I think the idea that Jecht was brought to Spira by accident is the most likely. Sin's purpose was to protect dream Zanarkand so it makes sense that it would be hanging around there. Someone was bound to run into Sin and hitch a ride with it sooner or later.

Edit: Ninja'd by a much better answer. :hmph:
 
Chanpanion Cube said:
There is a bunch of things wrong with what everybody's asking. So let's start from the beginning.

Essentially, Tidus and Jecht aren't real. Never were real, never will be real, never could be real. They were just dreams of the fayth. But we know this, right? The game explains this part easily enough.

Jecht and Tidus only exhisted within Dream Zanarkand, a figmit of Zanark's past 1000 years past preserved forever in time just before the War, a point where it was at it's peak of perfection. When Sin was summoned/created, Yu Yevon simultaneously created Dream Zanarkand with the fayth of the people, keeping them dreaming for 1000 years, which was why they are so exhuasted and just want to rest. Now here's the tricky part. While Dream Zanarkand isn't in itself a real place with real people, it IS a very real location.

When Jecht comes for Tidus as Sin (and he does, with Auron's help), they go to Dream Zanarkand, which is located nearby to Baaj Temple. They didn't go back 1000 years, Tidus didn't get sucked into a Wormhole of time, he was merely transported a mere few miles away before he was found by Rikku. Why nobody knows of Dream Zanarkand is because the city is surrounded by sea walls, disabling any attempt to come into contact with it, and thus also making it hidden. As seen in artwork.

Jecht got to Spira as he was out training at sea one day. Sin was nearby within the sea and pulled Jecht from the Dream Zanarkand into real time/world Spira. Jecht, having gone through this once, goes and does it himself to bring Tidus into real world Zanarkand, to try and end the cycle. Jecht knew Tidus would be of some help, even the fayth knew this to be true, that's why Bahamut's fayth was watching Tidus grow up and appears all throughout his timeline/history.

tl;dr. Jecht DID come for Tidus (with Auron's help) as Tidus was the only one who could help break the cycle. Dream Zanarkand is half real/half not, and was located in real time Spira, not in the past. Jecht got pulled in by Sin, and did the same to bring Tidus back to try and defeat Sin once and for all.
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That's really interesting. How do you know it's a real location? I've played the game heaps of times and never found a straight answer like this. I always thought that (being a dream) Zanarkand was in the minds of the faith, and going between Zanarkand and Spira was essentually just gaining a physical body in the real world, not being transported, but being brought to life in a way.

I guess it was what the faith said about them being more than just dreams, I always thought that the dream Zanarkand is only in the minds of the faith, that it has no physical presence at all. Hence why Tidus and his father are 'more than just dreams now' because they have a physical presence in the real world, not just in the faiths imagination...

I never thought much on how Jecht got to Zanarkand because I had no idea really. Whenever I thought about it I always assumed that it was the faiths doing, that he'd gone too far out to sea and the faith had seen in him something that would help them get their rest and be at peace. I thought it was the Faith who caused Jecht to reach Spira. It's kinda confusing though, because they never actually touch on that in the story I'm sure.

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Dream Zanarkand has to physically exist or else Sin would never have been able to transport Tidus to Spira. How real Dream Zanarkand is unclear, it exists in the ocean, but I'm not sure if it's as real as somewhere like Besaid or Luca. Sin does attack it, but then again when the dreams of the Fayth encounter Sin, they become more real. Tidus and Jecht become real after interacting with Sin but they still need the Fayth to live. That aspect isn't particularly well explained in the game.
 
Sheechiibii said:
That's really interesting. How do you know it's a real location? I've played the game heaps of times and never found a straight answer like this. I always thought that (being a dream) Zanarkand was in the minds of the faith, and going between Zanarkand and Spira was essentually just gaining a physical body in the real world, not being transported, but being brought to life in a way.

I guess it was what the faith said about them being more than just dreams, I always thought that the dream Zanarkand is only in the minds of the faith, that it has no physical presence at all. Hence why Tidus and his father are 'more than just dreams now' because they have a physical presence in the real world, not just in the faiths imagination...

I never thought much on how Jecht got to Zanarkand because I had no idea really. Whenever I thought about it I always assumed that it was the faiths doing, that he'd gone too far out to sea and the faith had seen in him something that would help them get their rest and be at peace. I thought it was the Faith who caused Jecht to reach Spira. It's kinda confusing though, because they never actually touch on that in the story I'm sure.
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It's not explicitely said in the story, you have to really try and pay attention and fit the pieces together in the parts of the story that are most convoluted.

When Sin came to Dream Zanarkand and Tidus gets 'transported', and found by Rikku, they're doing an expedition in a temple. This is Baaj Temple, home of Seymour's Aeon mother, Anima. You're able to visit this location later on as a mystery location, but you're not able to venture off too far, and this is to show you that Dream Zanarkand is 'invisible' to regular onlookers. Even if you were cast out from it, you couldn't find it aagain. This was Yu Yevon's wish to protect the city, to guard it by miraged water walls on all sides so that it couldn't be seen or found.

Sin had something to do with Jecht. It mentions briefly about Jecht going out to sea one day and just getting lost, but as Sin is meant to protect Dream Zanarkand, it's insinuated that the two encountered, and Jecht was dragged to Spira through Sin. Later on, Auron used Sin to drag Tidus the same way, since Jecht wanted him there.

The fayth don't have much else to do with it. Much like Tidus, they don't know that they're not real. They think Dream Zanarkand, and everything in it, is real. Because it's a city surrounded by water on all sides though (and you see this in the opening FMV, and the Metropolis FMV), they think this is the only world that's out there. This is how Yu Yevon wanted it. He wanted his city as peaceful as possible, just like before the War. So he acted it as if nothing else existed to the city dwellers/fayth, to keep them safe.
 
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Chanpanion Cube is actually very accurate.

The dream of the Fayth is physical as in the countless bubbles you will see at the end of the game break up.

They are also basically from the same material as the undead/pyreflies so thats how Auron could still be in the physical world as Tidus could.

I also think she got it right with Jecht venturing too far off. :P
 
Well yeah they say that at some point, he made the Dream Zanarkand and sent it far out to sea. Then made sin as an armour for himself, and programmed it to attack any civilization that became too technologically advanced. This was presumably to stop another Bevelle Zanarkand type event, and to stop anyone being able to discover dream Zanarkand which physically existed in the world. In the end Sin just became a monster, and forgot it's prime directive

I am still convinced at some point Jecht is mentioned physically coming into contact with Sin while out training in the sea
 
Isaac said:
Well yeah they say that at some point, he made the Dream Zanarkand and sent it far out to sea. Then made sin as an armour for himself, and programmed it to attack any civilization that became too technologically advanced. This was presumably to stop another Bevelle Zanarkand type event, and to stop anyone being able to discover dream Zanarkand which physically existed in the world. In the end Sin just became a monster, and forgot it's prime directive

I am still convinced at some point Jecht is mentioned physically coming into contact with Sin while out training in the sea
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i know for a fact they never mention it at all... like i said i played through the game many times... Jecht never knew how he got to Spira which is why i think he went to far and hit the boundary of the dream by accident... he probably came in contact with sin after that and ended up on shore somewhere and ran off his mouth got drunk and thrown in jail
 
Sin was actually more made to just protect Dream Zanarkand from harm. Yu Yevon wanted to protect his city (new, idealistic city) and preserve it forever in a safe state. To do this, he needed armour, so he created Sin, so that he could be the ultimate protector for his people. Running down Machina cities came second to him, to ensure that a second war wouldn't occur. Eventually, it got out of his control.

Whether or not Jecht KNEW he got in contact with Sin is irrelevant, as he had to, to be pulled from Dream Zanarkand. It's nearly impenetrable, only by Sin. So if he was on the borders of the Sea and Sin was nearby, whether he knew it or not, it's the only way Jecht could have gotten out.
 
Chanpanion Cube said:
Sin was actually more made to just protect Dream Zanarkand from harm. Yu Yevon wanted to protect his city (new, idealistic city) and preserve it forever in a safe state. To do this, he needed armour, so he created Sin, so that he could be the ultimate protector for his people. Running down Machina cities came second to him, to ensure that a second war wouldn't occur. Eventually, it got out of his control.

Whether or not Jecht KNEW he got in contact with Sin is irrelevant, as he had to, to be pulled from Dream Zanarkand. It's nearly impenetrable, only by Sin. So if he was on the borders of the Sea and Sin was nearby, whether he knew it or not, it's the only way Jecht could have gotten out.
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yes now that ive gone back.... Zanarkand is inside Sin. But it doesn't mean Jecht had to make contact with him to get out... for all we know it really was the Fayth who brought him out... it doesnt mean he made contact with sin... so now ive been convince that my theory was wrong but in all aspects i now think it was the Fayth that did it... just like how the Fayth brought Tidus back in X-2... they made Jecht appear in the real world with no memory of how he got there or why
 
Basch1990 said:
yes now that ive gone back.... Zanarkand is inside Sin. But it doesn't mean Jecht had to make contact with him to get out... for all we know it really was the Fayth who brought him out... it doesnt mean he made contact with sin... so now ive been convince that my theory was wrong but in all aspects i now think it was the Fayth that did it... just like how the Fayth brought Tidus back in X-2... they made Jecht appear in the real world with no memory of how he got there or why
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This is what I thought too, that it was the fayth, it just doesn't really make sense for it to be Sin. I never really thought that Sin made any contact with Zanarkand, since to me it seemed to be all in the mind. I've still not seen anything to convince me otherwise (that it's an actual location on the map) so it seems the most logical, for me, that it was the fayth who were behind it.

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Zanarkand certainly can't be inside Sin, unless Sin is able to swallow himself whilst at the same time not swallowing himself and then attack his insides. Since that's impossible, Zanarkand must be somewhere on Spira. The Fayth aren't able to just move people from Dream Zanarkand to Spira or they would have done so before Jecht. All they are capable of doing is talking to Tidus.
So either Jecht somehow manages to swim through the magical boundary that protects Zanarkand, which probably isn't even possible, and then manages to swim all the way to land, which seems almost as unlikely, since land must be a very long way from Dream Zanarkand. He maybe have been a great swimmer, but it would have taken him ages, he probably would have drowned or died of thirst. I guess you could say it's a theoretical possibility if you were being generous.
Or Jecht came into contact with Sin and Sin inadvertently transported Jecht to Spira. We know that Sin is capable of doing that because that is what Sin does to Tidus. Also Jecht/Sin must know, or being fairly certain that Sin is able to transport people from Dream Zanarkand to Spira otherwise he wouldn't have attempted to take Tidus to Spira. That argument might be circular though.
 
Sin is an armor that houses Zanarkand... Zanarkand is a dream created by Yu-Yevon and the Fayth, and those on the Fayth Scar on Mt. Gagazet... And if the Fayth put their power together they can make somebody real.. Tidus was brought back in X-2 because the Fayth put their power together. It's completely possible they put their powers together to bring Jecht to life but couldn't do it for Tidus because they couldn't do it again because they already did it once so Jecht thought Tidus would be able to figure it out since he is his son and went into the DREAM WORLD and picked up Tidus
 
Sin is the armour that protects Yu Yevon. Dream Zanarkand exists somewhere out in the ocean. Sin is supposed to protect Zanarkand, and sin is a sea monster. Jecht and Tidus are presumably the only people to travel from Zanarkand to Spira, they both happen to be remarkably good at not drowning. Therefore, Zanarkand exists somewhere in the sea. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Fayth have the power to bring someone from Dream Zanarkand into Spira. When they bring Tidus back at the end of FFX-2, they aren't transporting him from Dream Zanarkand. That is because Tidus existed in Spira and died/faded away there, he didn't go back to Zanarkand when he died.
 
there is also no evidence saying they couldnt either... the Fayth were extremely powerful... and they couldnt transport Tidus from Dream Zanarkand because after they defeated Yu-Yeven it didnt exist anymore... well anyways i found a site that completely explains it so i have to say i was wrong in all aspects... this was a nice discussion which is what i wanted and i thank you all for participating... i love having these discussions and i know some people don't exactly know how he got to spira so i figured get peoples points and views... so i did some extensive research to find my answer as well as confirm others... again thank you for the discussion..

For those of you who want the site: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Zanarkand
 
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