Abortion - your views.

I am not against it as there are girls out there who end up in this situation out of no fault of their own.

I can't stand people who care more about the unborn than the born.

They'll be there every step of the way ensuring you don't 'get rid of it' but when the child is actually born are they there?

I have a friend who's partner told her not to have an abortion when she really really wanted to due to the fact that they both had no income and lived at her mothers house at the age of 17.

During the time she was pregnant he cheated on her numerous times and then decided when the baby was born that he didn't feel like taking care of it. They remained together but he didn't offer the services a father should.

I think it's alot more cruel to bring a child into a world such as this, into a home that is clearly not going to meet a childs needs. In these kinds of cases the child would be better off having never been born. In most cases the child will follow the same dodgy footsteps of the father and end up only being harmful to the world. Not a blessing at all.

For rape I most definitely support the idea, unless they have their own beliefs and choose not to abort.

For myself however I could never abort. It's a personal choice for myself and although I support abortion for certain cases I don't apply those cases to myself. I just couldn't feel right with myself if I ever did such a thing and knowing that I can full well support a child and give it love.

If however I did get raped and it was too much to bear I would possibly give it up for adoption. Knowing that people who adopt undergo alot of check-ups in order to adopt, would definitely make me feel alot better about giving the child away.
 
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Well, abortion in and of itself is taking a life. There's no denying that the baby is alive after all, no matter how primitive it currently is.

So I am against abortion. If someone doesn't want a baby, don't have sex.

If I went back in time and convinced your mother to have an abortion instead of giving birth to you, and then went back into the future and had what I did posted in a newspaper, that I'd gone out of my way to snuff your life out and destroy everything you'd ever done in your life, I'd probably be looked on as a murderer (provided the people believe my story of course).


Now as for rape... Well here's where things get tricky. My answer: It doesn't make a difference whether it was rape or not, it's still a living thing.

Instead, we should simply elevate the crime "rape" to a higher offense. For example, if we decree that rape is of the same caliber as murder, and that punishments for rape will be equivalent to those given for murder, then we can expect a sharp decline in rape throughout the area that this law is enforced.
And that's how I would do it, make rape such a serious offense that the very thought of it is as horrifying as murder.
 
I don't think it's wrong. What a women does with her vagina and what's inside it is her choice and hers alone. Who am i to say she can't have an abortion? I can understand where in the case of rape. I can even understand in the case of it just happening. I would recommend getting tubes tied though. But either way, its her choice, let them make it if they so choose.
 
I'm absolutely disgusted by abortion, but not in the sense that I believe that it's evil. I am disgusted by it because of the fact that it's a gold watch issue, a luxury issue. The fact that people devote their lives in the U.S. to abortion related issues is indicative of a small mindedness that permeates that particular segment of society. While religious figures and politicians pine away about theoretical human beings, real human beings, undoubtedly real live human children, are starving to death in Africa. I believe that as long as real live children whose existence is not theoretical or debatable suffer systemically in the world that discussion of abortion should be frowned upon, and those who would divert resources to the issue of abortion should be openly shunned. Out of all the world's vast and sweeping problems abortion is 9999 on a list of 10000. Save the real human beings first, and worry about the theoretical ones later.
 
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To me, I think abortion is flat out wrong. Yeah sure its just a "embryo" but its just like an person really. Like I just couldn't stand the fact that some one's growing inside of me just so i could.... throw it away y'know? Its a horrid thing in my eyes.
The only way I think a girl were to do abortion is if she were to get raped. Then I would do it. But.. if you were to have sex with your partner ya know all plan and stuff and you weren't being safe and you get pregnant and get an abortion is really messed up. I think everyone deserves to go out and live.. life. Most teens that get pregnant at an early age and get an abortion is just as wrong. They had the choice of having sex or not. Yeah education is important but, they should've thought about that before they had sex not after she gives birth -__-.

I really despise it like a lot girls that do have an abortion have their reasons or whatnot... I still believe they should only get an abortion if they were to get raped. A person's a person weather they're "unborn" or "born".
That's just what I think.
 
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I don't like abortion. If a woman has unprotected sex and doesn't want a child, then she should take the morning after pill, while the "baby" is just a few cells..

Serious discussions require further elabouration. So if you bear that in mind in the future =]
 
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I do wonder about one subject that tends to be brought up when concerning abortion. People always say that they would rather abort a child rather than bring it into a world of poverty, seeing that the parents are two teenagers with no stable finances. Ok, I get that, but what makes me raise my brows is the fact that they seem to conclude that it's the child's fate to be miserable for the rest of his life...when really, we don't positively know for sure if that would be the case later down the road. My point is that even when raised in poverty, a child can live to be someone successful if he/she choose the right path, even if his parents are not the most supporting people in the world.

We can take two successful 30-year-old parents, have a child of their own, and that child growing up in the wrong side of town, making bad decisions and ending up living in poverty because his parents would not support his ways of living. Obviously, he can still choose to clean up his life, but what I'm looking at is the big picture here. Abortion or no, we don't actually know how a child will turn out when he grows up. Naturally, it will be hard in the beginning, especially if the parents don't know what they're doing, but I like to be a little more optimistic and say that changes comes to those who are willing to work hard and make a good life for themselves, including their children.

As someone who was almost aborted, I actually did grow up in poverty. My dad freaked when he found out my mom was pregnant with me, and one day he brought her some sort of herb (this was back in the Philippines) that would make her abort me if she drank it. So he gave the drink to her and she looked at him and said, "Okay, I'll drink this if you drink it first." I thought that was a little funny when she was telling me the story, but I guess my dad changed his mind and threw the drink away. Mind you, they both had no jobs and were both in college, and I will say that it was a hard life for us four (my brother was born a year and a half after me) back there.

I was also almost adopted by a successful doctor who wanted a child. According to my mom, everything was settled and both parties had agreed to the deal. But my mom backed out in the last minute. What made her change her mind, I don't know. I didn't really ask as I was a little hurt when she told me the story, so I changed the subject. My guess is probably because once she held her child, she knows it's hers and would rather be living poor with me in her life than with me living with someone else she doesn't know. And I am really glad she chose that path. I don't regret living in poverty at all, especially in a 3rd world country.

I'm not saying I'm successful right at this moment, but hey, there's still plenty of years ahead of me. Who knows, right? Successful or not though, I sure am glad to be living life as I am now.
 
I can say I am a pretty liberal person, but when it comes to abortion, i have to say no because it is not a choice the affects yourself, it affects someone else. I am for stem cell research, allowing gay marriage, and maybe even euthenasia, but all of those things are chioces that a person decides for themself, whereas abortion is a life ending decision made for someone else.

And I usually am open to ideas and viewpoints, but people who use the whole "raped woman who got pregnate" story to rationalize abortion is just rediculous. . . rape very rarely ends in pregnancy.
 
I could understand this if it was a form of Rape. Now if it was their own choice, and suddenly they decide to not want it, I just think it's pure lazyness, and irresponsible behavior. It's not something you should mess around with, but take seriously, me thinks.
 
Personally I'm pro-choice, if for nothing else, because at least then those getting the abortion are in a sterile and safe environment. Though in the end since I'm male it's not my choice but the woman with the growing belly deciding.
 
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I do wonder about one subject that tends to be brought up when concerning abortion. People always say that they would rather abort a child rather than bring it into a world of poverty, seeing that the parents are two teenagers with no stable finances. Ok, I get that, but what makes me raise my brows is the fact that they seem to conclude that it's the child's fate to be miserable for the rest of his life...when really, we don't positively know for sure if that would be the case later down the road. My point is that even when raised in poverty, a child can live to be someone successful if he/she choose the right path, even if his parents are not the most supporting people in the world.
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No one is saying that these children will not go on to lead full lives. However it's unlikely that this will happen.
Look at all the children who starve to death in Africa every day, they barely ever live past ten and all these children know is pain and suffering, as a parent it would be your choice as to whether you would put any child through that. All the arguements against abortion are on supposed moral grounds, which oddly enough are arguements which makes sure that they can live with themselves. It's not in the slightest immoral to abort a child that is going to be born into poverty, especially if you have other children as are very expensive.
It's not just places like Africa where people have extremely short life expectancies. The life expectancy of males born in South Central LA is 21.

To me, I think abortion is flat out wrong. Yeah sure its just a "embryo" but its just like an person really. Like I just couldn't stand the fact that some one's growing inside of me just so i could.... throw it away y'know? Its a horrid thing in my eyes.
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But you have the right to chose, which is the crux of the matter. You have your own opinion, but you can't expect everyone to share it. Ergo you cannot force it on people.

And I usually am open to ideas and viewpoints, but people who use the whole "raped woman who got pregnate" story to rationalize abortion is just rediculous. . . rape very rarely ends in pregnancy
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But it can and it does.
Are you saying that aborting a baby that was conceived through rape is irrational?

I could understand this if it was a form of Rape. Now if it was their own choice, and suddenly they decide to not want it, I just think it's pure lazyness, and irresponsible behavior. It's not something you should mess around with, but take seriously, me thinks.
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There's a huge middle ground you've missed out there.
Very few abortions happen because a couple have unprotected sex and use no other force of birth control and then go OHSHI xlolx abortion.

I don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but I'm against forcing people to have a baby they don't want anymore. The latter is worse imo.
 
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I don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but I'm against forcing people to have a baby they don't want anymore. The latter is worse imo.
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Agreed.

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I believe that abortion can be acceptable, but only near the very beginning of the pregnancy. Quite early on, an embryo would have no nerve cells. At this point, it cannot know pain. But as soon as nerve cells develop, there's a nervous system and pain would be very real. I disagree with abortions that'd possibly cause pain to the aborted baby. So along my lines of thinking, there's a very short window for abortion. So in most cases, I disagree.

But of course, this is just based on my opinion and what I have been taught by teachers, television, mostly reliable internet sources, etc over time. I'm no expert and I do know that there's a lot of debate as to whether abortions cause pain for the aborted baby, or even as to what time nerve cells are developed.

So for the sake of simplicity, I cannot agree with the majority of abortions.
 
I think abortion is wrong, but I am not against it. There are many people who abort because they can't feed them, raise them, or other reasons. But instead of killing the child, there are other solutions, such as adoption. The people who abort are usually not ready for a child either.
 
I am all pro-choice, especially when it comes to this. I have had countless arguments about this topic in the past with people against it, and I just want to say that I think it's pretty ridiculous when someone expresses their disagreeing with someone else's decision. Especially if it's a big one such as abortion.

Let's say a girl gets raped and ends up pregnant. Would she want that baby? Very unlikely. There are other options to get rid of the baby, yes, such as adoption, but it would be very hard wouldn't you think? You would have to see the baby, and I was told you have to hold the baby before you completely make up your mind (not sure if it's true) and I would like to believe that, that would be emotionally hard on someone.

However, I don't like it when careless, irresponsible teenage girls spread their legs to anyone, even *after* getting a -few- abortions. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson by now, but at the same time, why keep it if you're not going to raise it properly?
 
The root of abortion debate is economical.

Allow me:


I would like to address both the religious aspects and emotional aspects on behalf of the women. God loves women....its a global reach in global language....

The foundation for the Westernized abortion debate, we know, stems from the control grid of Modern Church Ethics. Like any governing religion/cult fill-in-the-blank....the grid, number one does not live by its own rules which are constantly subject to change, but not even its own text: The Holy Bible. If it did, we would find a word that needs to be brought to the forefront of Judeo-Christian abortion discussion. This is the same word that is used by Churchianity as leverage for their main argument. It is the entire foundation for the debate.

The word is "psuche", Hebrew for "soul". The soul is defined as "emotion". A fetus that has not developed a consciousness has no emotional response system, and thus, at that stage, has....no....soul. If one is Christian, then one has been wronlgy told that sin is a " any immoral or damaging action taken against God or fellow humans." If we are going to honestly integrate all subscribed scriptural understanding of the Gospel, (The Sacrifice of Jesus Christ) into this discussion, we must first look ar why it is said he gave Himself in the first place. Not only to restore to us direct communication with The Trinity, but to insure we would not feel condemned about the choices we make. To put it into perspective, if you decided to die IN THAT WAY....for the world and its coming generations....is there anything ELSE on Gods earth any of them could do to make you condemn them....when you died so that they would not be condemned, and said so? Churchianity has no argument if they rely on " soul " to do the dirty work. Sin is not an act, its a sequence of emotional heaviness that depletes joy. Joy, in the bible, is defined as a fruit of the Holy Spirit, or a characteristic of a person who has relationship with The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirits symbol is the dove. Joy is the ability to remain in a positive attitude through trying circumstance because of a portion of peripheral The Holy Spirit gives of ones situation. We remain positive because we can see how trials benefit us. Sin is the condemnation we allow ourselves to feel...this depletes joy. Its peripheral because a dove has the ability to see all the way around themselves. Heavenly Mother is Holy Spirit.

Abortion is constituted as murder when a fetus developes emotions. The circumstances of rape, nonconsentual or statutory, casual sex or intimate relationship, matters not. If your unborn is at the stage of emotional development, adopt it out. Churchianity thrives on condemnation and mostly for monetary and obvious political agenda, nothing of which Jesus stood for in the first place. Heavenly Mother loves her girls. The modern church ethics wants to use them as a soapbox to stand on. Every woman takes a negative action and is forgiven. Thier Word says, There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus."

Heavenly Family, The Trinity does not look down on women for seeking emotional fufillment, getting pregnant and aborting it. However, for those planning abortion, if it has emotions....you not only break its body, you break its heart. Those who have had abortions, forgive yourself...you are not condemed. Heavenly Mother Holy Spirit loves you and accepts you.

The politics of the situation sicken me overseas....those who are not christian(She still loves you) but you are still subjected to the condemnation brought about by governments. Governments/dictatorships hand select from historical culture what they need to impliment policy beneficial to their agendas. Eastern customs call child reduction policies economical efficiency, and then leave in place...."the woman knows her place." Then Western Media is ordered to step in to highlight the "evils" of the Eastern propaganda as it relates to childbearing. The women of Eastern cultures and religions are then torn between the pride in the demand for a healthy womb, and the degradation of having to be a machine that rations out children to government for the purpose of human capital. Job security....the problem is the illusion presented to the public that the West gives a shit that the east is fucking over mothers. The media handle of the west is Modern Church Ethics....The unveiling of the operation lies in this statement.

"Where do we, as the west, get our imports and who signs the weapons contract?"

The both governments need the smoke & mirrors of cultural combat in order to establish war on lower and middle classes as a foundation for the elite stand on. Women who seek emotional fulfillment are driven by media to materialism...which provides goverments the insurance of feminine emotional void. This in turn sends them into the beds of men as well lubricated machines through which human capital( corporate labor) is rationed into unsoundly obese accounts, which build corporations to drive the megalithic tank of consumerism to continue the cycle.

Its their job security to convince you that you need to put out...for one reason or another. And if men understood the real Op drains them of more than jizz...they would not put up with just putting out either. Women are beautiful the way they are and they do not need a man who is convinced he is worthless without a job to tell them so...because whether they have a job or not, they are beautiful as well.

There is from Christ no condemnation for those who believe or don't. But for those who do not believe, there is no logic in self- condemnation either for abortion in those eastern cultures, for there simply is no choice. There is no divine judgment ordered when there is no true conscious decision. And the judgment for those who made the decision, the judgment rest deep in the consciousness. Forgive yourself, for you are forgiven....and be set free of the heaviness that depletes the joy.
 
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Abortion=murder.

And it should be treated as such in all cases except where the mother's life is in danger.

Yes, even in cases of rape, abortion is still murder.
 
First and foremost are the labels, which cloud the issue by oversimplifying it---that's why the advocates picked them. Most people are neither pro-choice nor pro-life but both; we cherish life,we value choice, and we trade them off with great reluctance. Good luck explaining that to the pollster on the other end of the phone.---Nancy Gibbs; Time Magazine
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That pretty much sums up my feelings on this issue. So many people wants to paint this whole thing black and white but we all know we all walk in the shades of grey.

There's a reason why most pro-lifers overlook women's rights. It's basically slavery when you tell a woman that she has no right over her own body.

There's a reason why most pro-choicers deny an embryo to be alive.To do so would be admitting that we are killing a life. Animals and other life forms gets better treatment than our own kind in this case.

With that said, I choose pro-life simply because I view abortion as an easy way out. I don't like the idea of women being second-class citizen, but I can't simply ignore the fact that we are ending someone else's life so that we can exercise the right to choose.
 
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I've changed my opinions about abortion a lot... I'm sure last time I posted here I probably said I was pro-life (though thinking about it I was more pro-choice since I still thought abortion should be allowed, I just didn't like the idea of it), but I've been beginning to think more about it what I actually mean by that and stuff.

I'm sure there aren't many people who actually like the idea of abortion, even if it is just a 'bundle of cells'. And before when I'd say that adoption is a much better option, I can understand why somebody wouldn't want to go through with a pregnancy. If I found out tomorrow I was pregnant I'd probably have an abortion... I doubt my skinny body would be a great place to grow a baby, and I wouldn't want to go through with all the trouble of a pregnancy if I wasn't going to keep it at the end. And I think adoption is a wonderful thing to do, but it takes a really strong and good person to do it, and I wouldn't want to put myself through that.

It IS selfish though, since you are ending somebody else's life to suit the convenience of your own. But for all the baby may be living (depending on when you believe life begins) it doesn't actually have a life yet, it hasn't developed any relationships or personality or anything... It's just not a significant loss. And yes, it *might* have grown up to do something wonderful and fantastic for the world, but so might any of the other possible sperm/egg combinations out there. I just think if you use that as an excuse (which I used to do) then you may as well be against contraception, homosexuality and masturbation as well for the wasting of sperm, and also against women not getting pregnant every time they menstruate because of the wasting of eggs.



So to sum up... it's unfair but I think it's good that we have the option, and I can understand why somebody would have one.
 
i'm 50/50 on this one. I think it is entirely up to the mother's decision. Why should anybody be allowed to say who lives and dies besides the mother? I'm pretty neutral on this subject- don't agree with it, but don't shun it either. it's all based on the circumstances as to WHY your pregnant.
 
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