2008 USA presidential elections

[Anthiena]

Shut up about fucking video games you sad boring little shell of a man. Most of your precious games are made in China.

There are bigger issues at stake.

No, it's not just that. It's the belief that censorship technically abridges the First Amendment. Control can be a form of censorship. Don't believe me? Read or watch V for Vendetta.

On the other hand, Obama is the only one talking about educating parents... and it's a lot of parents and Evangelists who want to 'control' video games, movies, TV among other things.

It's well meaning people who start it, but if things went REALLY wrong, I can forget about that 'keep YOUR religion out of MY government' bumper sticker I wanted.

 

[Donald Trump]

Kennedy was a useless president.
now come on and argue
so dont compare obama to kennedy.
compare him to clinton, they are the rivals for the democtatic nomination, not some guy who has been dead 45 years.

I support Obama, for he sounds promising for change like no other, in a way that favors me. I have been visiting his campaign website. I am against Clinton, for she has voted to censor and regulate video gaming and to increase outsourcing of manufacturing to the People's Republic of China. She has ties to the Chinese government. She also has ties to Wal-Mart, a corporate monster. If she is elected President, there will be more poisonous Chinese made products.

i totally agree with finegan, stop having a cry about video games and china, and stop veing so hypocritical, america put lead in petrol, so dont blame the chinese like they are the only ones who have

 

[Erythritol]

No, it's not just that. It's the belief that censorship technically abridges the First Amendment. Control can be a form of censorship. Don't believe me? Read or watch V for Vendetta.

On the other hand, Obama is the only one talking about educating parents... and it's a lot of parents and Evangelists who want to 'control' video games, movies, TV among other things.

It's well meaning people who start it, but if things went REALLY wrong, I can forget about that 'keep YOUR religion out of MY government' bumper sticker I wanted.

Oh Christ. I'm so sick of people ranting about their Constitutional rights incorrectly. You don't have the right to do whatever you want. Get over it. The government is allowed to make sure that seven year old children don't get their hands on Grand Theft Auto. That's not censorship, that's responsiblity. This isn't turning into V for Vendetta. And what does religion have to do with video games? There are simply parents who are sick of young children playing excessively violent or sexual video games. While yes, it should be their responsibility to make sure their children don't have access to said video games, some parents are lazy and find it easier to blame the rating system/video game companies.

Shut up about fucking video games you sad boring little shell of a man. Most of your precious games are made in China.

There are bigger issues at stake.

I lol'd

 

[Rockman X]

Shut up about fucking video games you sad boring little shell of a man. Most of your precious games are made in China.

There are bigger issues at stake.

I lawl'd

No, it's not just that. It's the belief that censorship technically abridges the First Amendment. Control can be a form of censorship. Don't believe me? Read or watch V for Vendetta.

On the other hand, Obama is the only one talking about educating parents... and it's a lot of parents and Evangelists who want to 'control' video games, movies, TV among other things.

It's well meaning people who start it, but if things went REALLY wrong, I can forget about that 'keep YOUR religion out of MY government' bumper sticker I wanted.

1. It's censoring stuff that has the potential to warp young minds. That's not "abridging" anything. It's making sure little kids don't learn to kill hookers and shoot cops.

2 It's sad you get your ideas from a movie (albeit a good one).

3. If things went REALLY wrong it just means only adults would be able to buy games like GTA and Manhunt. That's not a bad thing, seeing as how they're designed for older games. Plus, the target audience of gamers is people in their 20's. I don't see why you're complaining anyway, you're 20 aren't you? None of it will concern you.

Anyway, my vote lies with McCain. Why? Because he's the only one with any military experience. Hell, he was a POW. We don't need another hick like Bush controlling our army, we don't need a clueless prep from Hawaii (Obama) controlling our troops, and we don't need some rich bitch (Hilary) controlling the military. And it's not like her hubby would know how to advise her on it either (border hopping and Mogadishu, anyone?). McCain would be the best man to figure out how to end this war.

But so long as Bush goes away, we'll be fine-ish.

 

[Warbsywoo]

Isn't McCain proposing to send more troops to Iraq?

Okay, so you can argue that it can help somewhat in alleviating the troops already there and reinforcing the Iraqi military, but wouldn't waiting for Iraq to be self-sufficient take a while to implement?

 

[Rockman X]

Isn't McCain proposing to send more troops to Iraq?

Why yes he is He wants to stabilize the country, stop all those insurgent twats from running around blowing shit up randomly and train the Irawi army, among other things. We can't exactly leave the country now due to the state its in. The Iraqi army is worthless, the government is worthless, and if we left the Sunnis and Shias would destroy the country.

Damnit you ninja'd me with that edit But it's going to be a long term situation no matter what. But if things can be stabilized, it'll be easier to get the government set up. The way things are now people are too scared to be officials or vote.

 

[Warbsywoo]

Okay, so that's that, and Obama and Hillary are both proposing to remove all troops as soon as they ascend to the presidency?

Actually, yeah, McCain makes more sense on that point, but we can only hope it doesn't turn into another Vietnam.

 

[Reality.Fantasy]

Wait, so why does everyone I know hate Clinton, again? Is it just about censorship and Wal-Mart, or are there more things about her policies that suck?

I've officially decided to pay attention to elections since I'm turning 18 in April... xD

 

[Contra Fates]

I've always felt that: "Police work is only easy in a Police state."
This pretty much means that in a country like Iraq, that we can't just fight ideologies with words and hope that they'll come around. Sure, it's harsh, but military or 'policing' action has to be done if we're ever going to make any leeway with that war.

Honestly, I just see the 'War on Terror' as another Korean/Vietnam War, just another war to be forgotten because it was pointless and not well supported.

I'm actually not too familiar with what Clinton and Obama's plans are on the war, but I still stand by what I've said before:
Clinton is prepared for the Presidency, should she get it.
Obama is running into this head-first, with a blindfold on.

You can't pit some ambitious, charismatic person against a person who has been aiming for the Presidency for over EIGHT YEARS. This is why this election is getting on my nerves, because people are going nuts over this guy, when he's really not at all prepared for what he could be getting himself into.

If anyone knows Clinton's stance on the war, I'd be very curious to know it.

 

[Ice Prince]

Hillary and Obama's general opinion on the war is the pretty much the same. They seem to want to set a reasonable(but sooner the better) time period to withdraw troops safely and responsibly. At least I think that's a good summary.

Hope that helps you Contra.

Anywho, I'm a Hillary supporter and have been from the start. I'd be more leniant on Obama if he had some type of longstanding experience to or at the level she does. However, as Contra pointed out, he doesn't. Yes he is a senator and does have political experience, but Hillary far outdoes him in that field. A 30+ years worth of political experience is nice to have, and being a former first lady obviously helps her there as well.

I will admit that I think Obama is more popular and easier to relate to than Hillary can be. There are times Hillary comes off very cold and stoic, but I personally like that about her. Keep in mind, she's been in politics for a LONG time and when she joined in, it was primarily a man's world. She probably had to learn to surpress her feminine side, because emotions and politics don't really mix that well together to alot of people.

I guess in the end, I just want to see a woman take on the task. If any woman in this stage of history is ready for this challenge, it's her. We've always had a man, but never a woman. That's why I think she would be the biggest change that this country seems to want so bad.

 

[Erythritol]

I'm going to post about something that keeps annoying me, since it's rather relevant. I'm around a lot of kids my age (obviously), and I keep having to hold my tongue when it comes to this political race. I honestly don't feel like making enemies; it's not worth the trouble. I'd have to explain the way things work in government, and essentially call them ignorant...so I just smile and keep quiet. Unless I just don't like the person. Anyway.

I *hate* when people say (and they keep freaking saying it!) "I'm moving to Canada is another Republican is president!" Of course, they refer to McCain when they say "another Republican." I want to slap them across the face. Stop being so god damn ignorant. Please. Is Bush a republican? Yes. Is McCain a republican? Yes. Are McCain and Bush the same types of Republicans? NO! Not even freaking close! McCain has hated and disagreed with the Bush administration since the beginning. They are not the same AT ALL. Stop grouping all Republicans together. It's ignorant and just makes you look foolish. I used to do that when I was, like, fifteen and didn't know anything about government or politics. Seriously, it's like seeing one aggressive dog, and then assuming all dogs in the entire world must be aggressive. That's just faulty logic.

It also annoys me how a lot of people are so arrogant with their political support when it comes to Obama, like supporting anyone else is stupid. It annoys me because they're so completely clueless. They don't have any actual realistic concepts of how governments or wars work. What would happen if we pulled all of the troops from Iraq? Um, let's see...the fragile government that exists now would collapse, and the Taliban and Al Qaeda would come back, thus making the 4,000 casualties we've already incurred completely irrelevant. Wouldn't that be great? Oh wait...that's the fucking stupidest idea ever. Was the war severely mismanaged? Yes! Can we just pretend like it never happened because Bush messed up and pull out all the troops? No! Obama is just a terrifying prospect to me. In international relations, you do NOT want a leader who is unpredictable. This makes other leaders nervous, because they cannot predict how he/she will react to things. It leads to miscommuncation, misunderstandings, and general problems. Obama is not predictable. He also is not experienced. I don't care how many people say, "LOL BUT NEITHER WAS (insert president's name)!!11" Okay, that's nice. That person was the exception, rather than the rule. I have never ONCE heard a good argument for Obama for president. I've heard nice speeches full of nice words and that's...about it. I'm just so sick of kids my age being so obnoxious and self righteous about loving Obama, knocking people who support Hillary/McCain, and then HAVING NOTHING TO SUPPORT THEIR VIEWS. They're just fucking ignorant. I want to assault them with a government textbook.

 

[tsoozavel]

I respect the democrats because they want to see every American have the right to vote and actually have their votes counted in contrast to the conservative republicans who want only the wealthy and powerful to have that right. Looking at their most recent speeches, in PollclaSh. The republicans want the status quo and forget that we are still working to make this a more perfect union. Yes, the right-wing republicans would prefer to return to the days of slavery and when they "won" the Southwest from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Mexico</st1lace></st1:country-region>. The truth hurts sometimes but if what I'm writing hurts you then you must surely be a ultra right-wing republican.<o></o>

 

[Donald Trump]

I respect the democrats because they want to see every American have the right to vote and actually have their votes counted in contrast to the conservative republicans who want only the wealthy and powerful to have that right. Looking at their most recent speeches, in PollclaSh. The republicans want the status quo and forget that we are still working to make this a more perfect union. Yes, the right-wing republicans would prefer to return to the days of slavery and when they "won" the Southwest from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Mexico</st1lace></st1:country-region>. The truth hurts sometimes but if what I'm writing hurts you then you must surely be a ultra right-wing republican.<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o></o>

Firstly, I'm not an ultra right wing Republican, far from it infact. I just find your ignorance painful. Did you know it was the republicans who got black people the right to vote. It was a very different republican party, but the point still stands. Your claim about republicans is laughable, they aren't Nazis.
Also lulz at the inverted commas around won. You forget to mention how America 'won' land from native Americans. Or do you just care about mexicans?
Then lulz at your pathetic claim that republicans are pro-slavery, as you demonstrate masses of racism.
The republicans want the status quo, not exactly a perceptive statement, isn't that the definition of conservatism?
Also it's not as if the Democrats are revolutionary, they are a centre right party.
So, all in all, it was a rather pointless anti-republican tirade, don't you think?

 

[Sephiroth Crescent]

I respect the democrats because they want to see every American have the right to vote and actually have their votes counted in contrast to the conservative republicans who want only the wealthy and powerful to have that right. Looking at their most recent speeches, in PollclaSh. The republicans want the status quo and forget that we are still working to make this a more perfect union. Yes, the right-wing republicans would prefer to return to the days of slavery and when they "won" the Southwest from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Mexico</st1lace></st1:country-region>. The truth hurts sometimes but if what I'm writing hurts you then you must surely be a ultra right-wing republican.<o></o>

You sound like Al Frankin, and those people from moveon.org.

Im not a "right wing republican" but I am a registered Republican.

I think you have your facts mixed up, and I think your an opionated person, Placebo already mentioned this, but it was Republicans who gave slaves many rights they were denied by DEMOCRATS, Andrew Johnson who also a Democrat stated that black men were inferior to white men. Clearly your just repeating what some crazy left-wing lunatics are saying, and probably should stop listening to them. Also throw away your Kayne west CD's, they're no good either.

All in all, Placebo you hit the nail on the head, your comment was an anti-republican comment. And proved nothing.

Hey Erythrithol!

I agree, I remember when some actors said If Bush was elected they'd move to Canada. As if I really give a damn about what they think, or if they'd really move to Canada, maybe an ego issue?

I'm glad you pointed those things out, as they piss me off also, some kids who go to my school want Obama to win, because its a cool-fad, when I ask why, they can't give me a straight answer.

"zomg he'll pull out the troops right away" - This isn't his call to begin with, and even then its impossible to withdraw all the troops right away, things like this take time.

I'll go get myself a government Textbook, and I'll meet you outside of a School.

- Kuja

 

[Kayak4One]

Obama or McCain?

Honestly I hate politics and [normally] couldn't care less.

Who do you think should be the next president of the United States? Obama or McCain? Why?

What do you think about Hillary?​

 

[Kim Taehyung]

McCain. I like him. His policies are good, he's believeable, and I also like Sarah Palin. She seems like she could do the job and do it quite well if she had to step in.

...Obama, on the other hand, seems too nice, you know? Like he's got a fast one planned and he's going to pull it out once he's elected. I ain't having that.

 

[Sephiroth Crescent]

McCain. I like him. His policies are good, he's believeable, and I also like Sarah Palin. She seems like she could do the job and do it quite well if she had to step in.

...Obama, on the other hand, seems too nice, you know? Like he's got a fast one planned and he's going to pull it out once he's elected. I ain't having that.

Watch this its hilarious . I support McCain, it makes fun of his old age, but also mocks Obama XD

- Sephiroth

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[Bun]

McCain will screw over education even more so than it already is (amongst other things), and I ain't all about that since it's the field I'm looking to go into. If McCain somehow miraculously wins and I have to suffer under that No Kid Left Behind horse shit anymore (not only that, but the republican way of things in general), I think I'll end up moving out of the country if it means I don't have to put up with the majority of citizens who keep voting in these jack offs that end up ruining our image even more than it already is. Obviously, my support goes to Obama; although I may not agree with him completely on every subject, realistically, for me, he is the choice to stick with.

I think we could stand for a change; it's not like we've got much to lose anyway, right? This country has and is still going downhill, and we really need to see something different for a little while.

 

[Doc Holliday]

If McCain wins, I'd be scared for my own freedom of Atheism, and I'm from England, America needs someone like Obama, who has a better civil liberties policy, to start with, McCain and Palin are possibly the worst choice for this election.

And McCain is possibly the dumbest possible president ever; here's a little example,
When Bush was in his University, he was in the middle of his class, he was Average, when McCain went to Uni, he was in the BOTTOM HALF OF A PERCENT.

He wants a spending freeze on everything but DEFENCE AND VETERAN AFFAIRS.
That'd mean a spending freeze on Education, Health Care, Transportation improvement, and not to mention a myriad of other things.

Obama '08