2008 USA presidential elections

well i tell you what. th eonly threat we have is romney. he is way to conservative. so as long as he doesn't get in. i will be fine with anyoen else.
being as i am a registered democrat. i am pulling for obama. when he said more affordable health crae for the working class. it got me ;)

i personally would like to know where you got your information form about hillary being against teh video game industry.
 
Hilary will be slowly pulling troops out and slowly resolve the issue of the Iraq war
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sounds very much like a vietnamisation, but in iraq instead, but obama's idea doesnt sound any better, perhaps it would be best to leave the troops their, despite its unpopularity, the surge is proving to be working.

Huckabee worships the bible. Huckabee seems very ignorant to me. Knowing him he would turn American into a catholic country
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i thought he was a wasp?
hes a religious extremist, but i think he is protestant?
anyway i heard that McCain might have Huckabee as his VP as that would make the republican party happy, as McCain is very liberal for a republican.

would make for more middle-eastern terrorist hate.
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they hate american anyway as america is in bed with israel.

An interesting point I was thinking up... If we plan on getting out of the Iraq War, Hilary Clinton is a horrid choice. Think about it... When dealing with wars and situations in other countries, you have to deal with the country's policies. Middle-eastern countries put women at a lesser value than men... So... In essence... They'd see Hilary as a lesser than any of their leaders, look down on her, etc. Hell, it might even incite more terrorist attacks simply because they'd think America is weak for having a woman president.
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Bush is globally be thought to be incompetent, stupid and many other things, having hillary as president would seem tougher, even to terrorists, plus bush, a man, was president when 9/11 happened

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was the democratic thing for Cali first past the post? i saw it in the paper and it looked like it was
 
The Young Knives said:
i thought he was a wasp?
hes a religious extremist, but i think he is protestant?
anyway i heard that McCain might have Huckabee as his VP as that would make the republican party happy, as McCain is very liberal for a republican.

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was the democratic thing for Cali first past the post? i saw it in the paper and it looked like it was
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I've only heard information on McCain choosing Giuliani for a running mate, nothing about Huckabee.

And, not sure what you mean by 'first past the post,' but Hillary and McCain won California.
 
I heard... I can't tell right now because on one website it says Hilary has most of the delegate votes, on another Obama has the most votes. It seems like a very close race. >_<

Contra Fates said:
Every other word out of his mouth is: "9/11" "9/11" "9/11.' The last thing we need is another Vice President with a one-track mind. I understand that he did do a lot for New York as Governor, but I just dislike the guy.
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Oh god I know! He was a huge bully in New York. I heard is a very bossy person. The fire department and the Police department of NYC really detest him.

He wasn't governor of NY he was major of NYC.
 
Cerridwen said:
I heard... I can't tell right now because on one website it says Hilary has most of the delegate votes, on another Obama has the most votes. It seems like a very close race. >_<
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Clinton is currently in the lead, but not by much. It's a very, very close race for them.

Cerridwen said:
Oh god I know! He was a huge bully in New York. I heard is a very bossy person. The fire department and the Police department of NYC really detest him.

He wasn't governor of NY he was major of NYC.
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...He was only Mayor and he was still getting all high and mighty about NYC? What the eff!
Additional: I just read his wiki and some other websites about him, and I do believe I think even less of him now.

Reasons why:
1.) He was only a Mayor. Period. Not a governor, not a senator, nothing.
2.) As mentioned before: "9/11,9/11,9/11."
3.) He seems to enjoy taking a lot of credit for things. Though the crime rate was reduced in NYC, there's a lot of dispute about whether or not his actions actually caused that.
4.) I see him, also, as another Dick Cheney. I will keep kicking that horse till it's dead. I. DO. NOT. WANT. ANOTHER CHENEY [a.k.a scum-sucking douchebag] IN OFFICE.
5.) He's a party flip-flopper. He was a Democrat, then an Independent, and now a Republican. He changes parties like underwear. =/

If people kept complaining about how much Obama is inexperienced, how can they justify this guy running for President? From Mayor to President? That's like a number-crunching desk-worker being promoted to CEO of the company.

No thank you, Giuliani.
 
As someone who knows about Guiliani's dealings as mayor of New York, let me go ahead and say AAGGGGHHHHHHHH. He is such a huge douchebag. I went into detail about what a stupid douche he is in a previous post. I will weep if he is elected into the White House in any position.

Okay, I'm sick of people comparing Iraq to Vietnam. It is NOT the same. Please learn history correctly. Vietnam was not a policing mission, and the people were not going through a civil war. There were very different social conditions. And as an aside, the only reason the surge "seems to be working" is because the Sunnis are tiring of the extremists and the jihadists, and are teaming up with US forces. It is because they are cooperating that things started going more smoothly. It's anyone's guess how long that will actually last.

Completely ending the war and just pulling the troops all out would be such a terrible idea. It sucks, but we're pretty much stuck.
 
Okay, I'm sick of people comparing Iraq to Vietnam
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if your referring to my post, i said vietnamisation, as the american plan for withdrawal from vietnam by handing control over to the (south) vietnamese, and that was a complete failure from an american POV.
and its the sunnis who are the ones suicide bombing im pretty sure, as they are a minority in iraq.

and whats wrong with Guiliani being VP? they have no power.
 
The Young Knives said:
and whats wrong with Guiliani being VP? they have no power.
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Are you nuts? o.o In the Bush Administration, you'll find that the main player -was- Dick Cheney, our Vice President. There were things put into action which gave the VP a lot more power than he needed. The VP controls the Senate, and the Senate....pretty much controls everything.

If you don't believe me about Cheney and the strings he pulled, just research him for five minutes about him...and anything related to the Middle East. He was the catalyst for the Gulf War, as well as all of the probes into the Middle East for 'weapons of mass destruction.' He was also the one who asserted that Iraq was the connection to Al-Qaeda. He stood by the war, saying it would be a 'great success story.'

Guy thought wrong.
 
Cheney is a anomally, its only because bush is spineless that cheney has so much power, no other VP has ever, John Calhoun even quit because its such a useless position, the only thing they do is cast the deciding vote when the senate is tied, so no real power
 
To bump this thread, I thought I'd just let you all know:

Obama is currently in the lead in the primaries. It's not by much, but he's still in the lead. If Edwards decides to give him his delegates, or gives it to Clinton, it could drastically change things.

Either way, as I predicted, the primaries for the Democrats are extremely close, and will likely remain that way until August.
 
Contra Fates said:
To bump this thread, I thought I'd just let you all know:

Obama is currently in the lead in the primaries. It's not by much, but he's still in the lead. If Edwards decides to give him his delegates, or gives it to Clinton, it could drastically change things.

Either way, as I predicted, the primaries for the Democrats are extremely close, and will likely remain that way until August.
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Yeah I know.... Obama will probably loose again McCain anyways. There is still so much racism and there are some democrats who support McCain. If Obama wins the Democratic primaries then I will be voting for McCain.

I'm particularly against one of Obama's views which I do not want to get enforced. I'm very against letting illegal immigrants get citizenship here.
 
Cerridwen said:
Yeah I know.... Obama will probably loose again McCain anyways. There is still so much racism and there are some democrats who support McCain. If Obama wins the Democratic primaries then I will be voting for McCain.

I'm particularly against one of Obama's views which I do not want to get enforced. I'm very against letting illegal immigrants get citizenship here.
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I see nothing wrong with giving illegal immigrants that are already here, legal rights and citizenship. America itself is an ENTIRE country of immigrants. The Indians were here when the British decided to take over. We forced our way into being 'citizens,' and then we killed off most of the actual citizens that lived here, by forcing them into reservations like they were war criminals, and forcing them to march thousands of miles.

After knowing our country's history, I feel we have no right not to give those that have successfully gotten here, the same rights that our Ancestors took upon themselves.

People can swear up and down that giving illegal immigrants citizenship will mean less jobs, and in most cases, the jobs that we DON'T EVEN WANT, are the ones that they take. And if they actually do take the higher-paying jobs, then good! Our generation needs a reason to actually put some value into our education and place their priorities in the workplace.

But, I might have to agree....that I'd want to vote for McCain if Obama gets elected as the front-runner. It all depends on who Obama would choose as a vice, and same with McCain, in my eyes.

The main reason I'd vote for McCain, is for his military experience, which we desperately need right now in office.
 
Millitary experience? He had less than a year of that, not including his time as a POW.

I personally support Obama, as does my stepmother. He actually has lived in multiple countries and saw the sheer poverty where his father's family lives. He actually got Chicago tenements cleaned, which was quite a feat back in the day. He knows how to get people involved. I also really like his personality. It makes me think of the idea of Kennedy.
 
Anthiena said:
Millitary experience? He had less than a year of that, not including his time as a POW.

I personally support Obama, as does my stepmother. He actually has lived in multiple countries and saw the sheer poverty where his father's family lives. He actually got Chicago tenements cleaned, which was quite a feat back in the day. He knows how to get people involved. I also really like his personality. It makes me think of the idea of Kennedy.
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McCain might not have been...very -good- in the Military, as demonstrated by his lack-luster performance in the Naval Academy and in the military itself, but he at least has the experience. And, it was for much longer than one year. Naval Academy itself is four years.

He entered into Military duty in 1958, and became a prisoner of war in 1967. That's 9 years of service, and 5 years of captivity and torture.

I'm not saying that McCain is some amazing man, but he's had life experiences that Obama couldn't hold a candle to.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Obama is Charisma, and nothing more. The Bush Administration promised great change and prosperity.

...And look where it got us.
 
Obama is not Bush, so what's the point of comparing the two ?

Anyways, I'm siding with the Obama campaign mostly because of this change thing that everyone's talking about. I haven't seen much of McCain so I'm just going to wait until the nominations have taken place before deciding.
 
Christ this stuff is complicated -_-

I've read up on the candidates, and as expected all the Republicans look like fucking nutjobs/typical republicans so no change there.

The Democrats look alot better than last time. I mean, John Kerry, what the fuck man? For the Democrats it'll be Obama or Hillary so, who knows. Either of those two seem pretty suitable to me(as suitable as you can get) Obama is too idealistic, but I can't quite figure out what's wrong with Hillary.
 
McCain, in truth, will likely not institute a lot of change, I'll give you that.

But there is plenty of reason for my comparisons of Bush and Obama.
Bush was idealistic, and presented himself as someone who promised change.

He was more like a puppet to be used by Dick Cheney, than anything else. A weak politician with little of the knowledge can not really use the system to institute change, because so many forces would oppose it.

Really, I like Hillary. She has her goals, and her ideals, and her ideas, and she sticks to them. Obama's views have become a little skewed as the race goes on, in order to gain more political fans.

This election has much better candidates than the last one, that is true. But, I'm still afraid that if Obama is the Democratic candidate, that he'll be destroyed by McCain.
 
I support Obama, for he sounds promising for change like no other, in a way that favors me. I have been visiting his campaign website. I am against Clinton, for she has voted to censor and regulate video gaming and to increase outsourcing of manufacturing to the People's Republic of China. She has ties to the Chinese government. She also has ties to Wal-Mart, a corporate monster. If she is elected President, there will be more poisonous Chinese made products.
 
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She doesn't support censorship. She supports making it harder for little kids to get violent games, and I agree with her on that.

As for outsourcing manufacturing in China. Uh. Duh. Where does every big company in the world have it's products produced? Overseas. Why? Because it's cheaper. Why do Politicians approve it? Because cheap outsourcing is good for the economy. Why is that policy never going to change? Because corporate America will never allow it to, because the companies would tank, once they have to pay their factory workers actual honest wages.
 
Tedius Zanarukando said:
I support Obama, for he sounds promising for change like no other, in a way that favors me. I have been visiting his campaign website. I am against Clinton, for she has voted to censor and regulate video gaming and to increase outsourcing of manufacturing to the People's Republic of China. She has ties to the Chinese government. She also has ties to Wal-Mart, a corporate monster. If she is elected President, there will be more poisonous Chinese made products.
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Shut up about fucking video games you sad boring little shell of a man. Most of your precious games are made in China.

There are bigger issues at stake.
 
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