2008 USA presidential elections

[Contra Fates]

That's precisely why I DON'T want her in... According to her, Bill Clinton in office was 'her years in the white house'. And with Clinton screwing every woman in sight, it seems to me we've already had Hilary for two terms in office. And Bill was only looking for getting laid in every single situation, so there's even more evidence that he wasn't doing shit in office...

Also, typically, Democratic presidents lead to slumps in the economy. Because they're all for increasing Welfare while 'lowering taxes', which, TBQH, will never happen... Plus I don't give a crap if welfare gets an increase. 90% of the people who have it shouldn't because they only have it for 'free money' they didn't even TRY to earn. Give welfare only to qualified people, then we won't have as high taxes.

I really don't want to sound rude.
But you must not have been in the same country I was during the 90's when Bill Clinton was in office.

The economy had NEVER been better in this country.
We were not fighting any Wars, especially not one where no one knows why the hell we're there in the first place.
And the criminal rates were NEVER lower in this country.

The 90's under Clinton's Administration was a peaceful and fun time in this country. And it pisses me off when people think that just because he got blown in the White House that he was some terrible President, and forget all of the great stuff he DID do in the White House. Bill Clinton was a very smart guy, and he knew how to work the public.

For the sake of political debate, please try to get your facts straight. There is plenty more evidence to prove that Clinton made this country a great place to live, and that we were thriving. Though, you may be right on some of those policies being a waste of tax-payer money, it's something that wasn't just set in place by democrats. There's a lot of things that our tax money gets wasted on.

But with the current administration, Bush comes in, and the economy tanks, gas prices soar, inflation occurs, we're in a war we don't know what for, and we're forced into a defecit.

I'd rather take the woman who thinks she's seen and known it all, than another Republican, or someone who would be eaten alive in the White House.

And I apologize for sounding like a jerk, but unfortunately, that also, is what happens when politics are discussed among people.

 

[RioDragon]

The 90's under Clinton's Administration was a peaceful and fun time in this country. And it pisses me off when people think that just because he got blown in the White House that he was some terrible President, and forget all of the great stuff he DID do in the White House. Bill Clinton was a very smart guy, and he knew how to work the public.

IMO, I think any guy who gets any sex from anyone outside of wedlock is a terrible choice. But that may just be me and the fact that I don't want a popular perv to be president. And that's another reason why I dislike Bill Clinton and most democrats. They give the public what they think the public wants, then blame republicans for the aftermath. I hate George Bush too, but, in my eyes, he was a better candidate at the time than anyone else running against him.

Personally, I'd go for an independent party rather than Republicans or Democrats if the independent candidate believed all the things I did and had a good chance of actually surviving the polls.

 

[Contra Fates]

IMO, I think any guy who gets any sex from anyone outside of wedlock is a terrible choice. But that may just be me and the fact that I don't want a popular perv to be president. And that's another reason why I dislike Bill Clinton and most democrats. They give the public what they think the public wants, then blame republicans for the aftermath. I hate George Bush too, but, in my eyes, he was a better candidate at the time than anyone else running against him.

Personally, I'd go for an independent party rather than Republicans or Democrats if the independent candidate believed all the things I did and had a good chance of actually surviving the polls.

I really didn't mind having someone so obviously flawed in office, because for what he lacked in morals, he made up for with his policies and Presidency. It was refreshing to have a HUMAN in office, not a well-rehearsed, pre-programmed robot of a Politician. But, I can completely understand your view. I have very strong morals when it comes to marriage, and I do frown on adultery. But, sadly, it's something that happens quite often. Not to mention, there were many politicians in history who cheated. Roosevelt had a well-known Mistress, Kennedy was also known for having several Mistresses, and even Churchill had a woman on the side...as well as some rather surprising drinking and drug habits, yet all of them were heralded as amazing figures in history.

 

[Erythritol]

Meh... I dunno who I want to win... But I'd likely never vote for a democratic candidate unless they're REALLY straightforward about where they stand... I watched some Democratic debates and they never tell you exactly what they think... They just try to please everyone but talking about all the possible decisions in a good light.

...And pleasing everyone is just shit, IMO, it'll never happen. As for people 'not voting for Hilary or Obama for their sex/race' I really don't think that's the reason, but, rather an excuse they use to get pity-votes. I'd vote for a good, HONEST Female candidate (not Hilary). I would vote for a good, HONEST black candidate who could get the job done (not Obama).

I'm just saying, Democrats have a tendency to skirt around every question without giving an answer. And when they DO give an answer, it's most likely the shittiest... Like giving illegal immigrants a driver's license. Chances are, they wouldn't be able to read most street signs, and, if they caused a wreck and killed someone, they couldn't be prosecuted. Because, technically, they're not Americans, and Mexico doesn't give a shit to punish them because they made their way to America. And LEGAL Mexican immigrants are actually pissed at illegal immigrants the most, know that THEY have lived in a America for years, and rightfully so, and then people just cross a damn fence and win a bunch of prizes for it...

Honestly, WTF?

Oh, you're waiting for an honest politician to vote for? I have some bad news. I don't think you're ever going to vote again.

You do realize that the governor of New York was the ONLY person who actually supported giving illegal immigrants drivers licences, right? A majority of the democratic party turned their backs on him. Also, it almost completely destroyed his image. Before that debacle, he was very well liked by people and the media. Afterwards, every time I picked up a newspaper and there was an article pertaining to him, it was just bashing him and questioning his sanity. Just because one democratic politician was for it doesn't mean the entire party was for it. If you knew anything about the candidates, you'd actually realize that Hillary signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

And yes, typically democrats believe in social programs because they actually like the help people who need HELP. Unlike Republicans, who generally give tax breaks to big business and the wealthy. I don't like your assumptions on people who need welfare. Not everyone is lazy and unwilling to get a job. There are many people out there who work very hard and really struggle, but just haven't been very lucky in life. Not everyone can be in the middle class and reasonably well-off.

 

[Donald Trump]

IMO, I think any guy who gets any sex from anyone outside of wedlock is a terrible choice

even MLK had affairs, yet having affairs doesnt make you a bad leader.

let me explain something about the american economy, because the government has a very laissez faire attitude towards it, it has a peaks and troughs cycle, or what goes up comes down. thats why the federal reserve has been lowering the OCR, because the american economy is/going to be in a recession.
also democrats dont cause recessions, ugh thats just stupid.
ie the 1920s if the economy is going well and everyone is feeling rich, people tend to vote republican, so there was Warren G Harding, then Calvin Coolidge, Then Herbert Hoover, and one year into his term, the great depression, irrefutable evidence that the democrats dont make recessions.

 

[Tedius Zanarukando]

If Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney gets elected President of the United States, then the video game industry will be at stake, and the video game community may rebel against the U.S. government. I am sure that Hillary Clinton has a destructive and unconstitutional political agenda that would turn America into a nanny state. I am sure she wants to ban video games. We may call it a "gamer revolt", or "gamer rebellion." That means that the video game community could rebel against the U.S. government if the government's attack against video games goes too far. If you vote for Clinton, then you have betrayed the video game community. She could be the fifth President to be assassinated or the first President to be evicted from Office (after an impeachment, thus the third President to be impeached).

 

[Rockman X]

If Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney gets elected President of the United States, then the video game industry will be at stake, and the video game community may rebel against the U.S. government. I am sure that Hillary Clinton has a destructive and unconstitutional political agenda that would turn America into a nanny state. I am sure she wants to ban video games. We may call it a "gamer revolt", or "gamer rebellion." That means that the video game community could rebel against the U.S. government if the government's attack against video games goes too far. If you vote for Clinton, then you have betrayed the video game community. She could be the fifth President to be assassinated or the first President to be evicted from Office (after an impeachment, thus the third President to be impeached).

Oh god, not this crap again.

1. Hilary is not out to get us. She doesn't want to ban videogames. All she wants to do is keep more mature games away from little kids...in other words, actually enforce the ESRB rating system. Stores that don't bother to check ID will be fined. If anything that's a good thing, I certainly wouldn't want 10 year olds playing GTA.

2. Are you so idealistic that you've lost all grasp on reality? A "gamer rebellion"? Let me tell you something, back during Vietnam there were lots of protests against the war from hippies all over the country. Today, if the citizens of this country don't have big enough balls to have nationwide protests, strikes against school and whatnot to protest something as dire as troops' lives being wasted in the desert, what makes you think the community of gamers in this country would actually stand up to the government and have a full-blown rebellion?

Good lord, I don't know what fantasy world you're living in, but it must suck.

 

[Contra Fates]

Oh god, not this crap again.

1. Hilary is not out to get us. She doesn't want to ban videogames. All she wants to do is keep more mature games away from little kids...in other words, actually enforce the ESRB rating system. Stores that don't bother to check ID will be fined. If anything that's a good thing, I certainly wouldn't want 10 year olds playing GTA.

2. Are you so idealistic that you've lost all grasp on reality? A "gamer rebellion"? Let me tell you something, back during Vietnam there were lots of protests against the war from hippies all over the country. Today, if the citizens of this country don't have big enough balls to have nationwide protests, strikes against school and whatnot to protest something as dire as troops' lives being wasted in the desert, what makes you think the community of gamers in this country would actually stand up to the government and have a full-blown rebellion?

Good lord, I don't know what fantasy world you're living in, but it must suck.

QFT. I agree completely.

I'm no feminist, but I know that Clinton has a lot of plans, to BENEFIT this country. And, honestly, if there are some harsh video game laws enforced, do you know whose fault it is? TEENAGERS. The amount of 18-25 year olds that vote is dismal. If more younger citizens participated in local, state, and country-wide elections or were more involved with the government, then results would be quite different.

But alas, youngsters just sit around and bitch and moan on the interweb instead of actually doing anything to benefit their cause. [Mind you, this doesn't count for those unable to vote, obviously you can't help your age.]

I do think that this year's election is going to be very, very interesting. I think there wil be a surprisingly good voter turn out, and it's going to be a really intense, and close election.

 

[Rockman X]

QFT. I agree completely.

I'm no feminist, but I know that Clinton has a lot of plans, to BENEFIT this country. And, honestly, if there are some harsh video game laws enforced, do you know whose fault it is? TEENAGERS. The amount of 18-25 year olds that vote is dismal. If more younger citizens participated in local, state, and country-wide elections or were more involved with the government, then results would be quite different.

But alas, youngsters just sit around and bitch and moan on the interweb instead of actually doing anything to benefit their cause. [Mind you, this doesn't count for those unable to vote, obviously you can't help your age.]

I do think that this year's election is going to be very, very interesting. I think there wil be a surprisingly good voter turn out, and it's going to be a really intense, and close election.

Exactly. I'm actually registered to vote, but for some strange reason I don't have my voter's card Either way I'd vote for McCain, I don't want Hilary or Obama in office...though I would rather see Hilary win than Obama.

And from various things I've read, the target video game audience is actually in the 20's age range....so uh...yeah. It won't even affect anyone 18 and up. And like I said, all Hilary wants to do is enforce the buying policies of games, there's nothing wrong with that. Granted, the rating system is a bit retarded sometimes...but that's an issue that lies with the ESRB itself.

 

[Fatal Impurity]

I'd like a president with common sense to win...why oh why cant Bill Clinton run for president again? I'm convinced that he's the best president America has ever had!

 

[Scarlet]

Haha, yes... We I did mention it before to Tedius that video games is the least of their worries. There are more server issues to deal with currently such as the economy, war, and health insurance. They say certain things such as enforcing rating on video games to get more votes from their primary party. I seriously doubt they're going to do anything to video games. They're already regulated as it is.

I'm watching the news now and it seems like Hilary and McCain are winning. Ugh, if they're going to be the ones that I have to vote in November this is going to be a very tough decision for me. D: Hilary and McCain are the best candidates for their parties. I have a lot of faith in both of them.

QFT. The amount of 18-25 year olds that vote is dismal. If more younger citizens participated in local, state, and country-wide elections or were more involved with the government, then results would be quite different.

The problem I have with young people voting is that most of them don't care or they're ignorant about it. It seems to me a lot of young people want to vote for Obama... That's fine, but their reason is rather ignorant. Example: "Well I want to vote for him because he's cute!" or "Umm eww Hilary is an ugly bitch! I'll vote for Obama!" or "Well my friend said Obama is cool! I'll vote for him!". I did research on each candidate and read their views. I've also watched the Democratic debates as well. I don't see many young people doing that. That's the problems, as you said they don't get involved. Before they vote they should look at each candidates views and choose the best candidate in their opinion.

Why oh why cant Bill Clinton run for president again? I'm convinced that he's the best president America has ever had!

Oh I so agree! <3 Bill actually lives near me. I heard he's a really nice guy and he's willing to give you his autograph.

 

[Contra Fates]

The problem I have with young people voting is that most of them don't care or they're ignorant about it. It seems to me a lot of young people want to vote for Obama... That's fine, but their reason is rather ignorant. Example: "Well I want to vote for him because he's cute!" or "Umm eww Hilary is an ugly bitch! I'll vote for Obama!" or "Well my friend said Obama is cool! I'll vote for him!". I did research on each candidate and read their views. I've also watched the Democratic debates as well. I don't see many young people doing that. That's the problems, as you said they don't get involved. Before they vote they should look at each candidates views and choose the best candidate in their opinion.

-Nod.- That IS a problem, though, unfortunately, thanks to the media, ignorance in elections is rather widespread with ALL of the ages. This election has been summarized like this: "We have a black guy, a woman, and a white man as the front-runners for this election." No real mentions of their policies, we're just too blinded by their appearances, race, and gender to care about the rest.

Though, I do firmly believe that a lot more, actually educated and interested nonvoters will be voting this go around, just because this country is yearning so much for change. The reason why so many voters are ignorant, is because so many of those that actually educate themselves on politics, become distressed and disgusted with what they see, and no longer believe in the system...and therefore, choose not to vote.

I'm doing all I can with those I know, to get out and vote this election, for whoever they want to. I just wish more Americans would actually put their word in and VOTE. America is for the people, yet only half of the people capable wish to shoulder the responsibility of their choices and actions.

 

[RioDragon]

An interesting point I was thinking up... If we plan on getting out of the Iraq War, Hilary Clinton is a horrid choice. Think about it... When dealing with wars and situations in other countries, you have to deal with the country's policies. Middle-eastern countries put women at a lesser value than men... So... In essence... They'd see Hilary as a lesser than any of their leaders, look down on her, etc. Hell, it might even incite more terrorist attacks simply because they'd think America is weak for having a woman president.

I'm not saying a woman is unfit to be a president. I'm just saying if ending the Iraq War is as big of an issue as I assume it is to everyone, it would be like playing Russian Roulette to put a woman in the white house at this time.

 

[Dagolu]

me being Canadian, I don't really mind who wins, but I'd really rather it be a democrat this time.

now Barak or Hilary... that's tough
Hilary would have constant advice and support from her husband, while Barak has a lot of good intentions.

my best case scenario: Hilary with Barak as the vice. (if the race for nominee doesn't put too much anger between them)

and my worst case: George Bush rigging the vote (again) so he somehow gets re-elected again

 

[Daenerys]

So, it was Super Tuesday yesterday, yes? When do you guys find out the results?

 

[Scarlet]

An interesting point I was thinking up... If we plan on getting out of the Iraq War, Hilary Clinton is a horrid choice. Think about it... When dealing with wars and situations in other countries, you have to deal with the country's policies. Middle-eastern countries put women at a lesser value than men... So... In essence... They'd see Hilary as a lesser than any of their leaders, look down on her, etc. Hell, it might even incite more terrorist attacks simply because they'd think America is weak for having a woman president.

Uhh... You think Hilary's idea is bad...? Think again. Obama's idea for the war is a lot worse. Obama just wants to pull the army out of Iraq sooner. You cannot just pull out the American Army from Iraq and leave it a huge mess! Hilary will be slowly pulling troops out and slowly resolve the issue of the Iraq war. Obama is way too idealistic and he thinks by pulling troops out of Iraq is all cool. No, that will really fuck over the US and Iraq.

From CNN

Hilary's view:

Voted for use of military force in Iraq, but now says she would have voted differently "if we knew then what we know now." Supports de-authorizing the war. Voted for war spending bill that would have withdrawn most U.S. troops by March 2008. Opposed Bush plan to increase the number of American troops in Iraq. Supports a phased redeployment and a cap on the number of American troops in Iraq.

Obama

Opposed use of military force in Iraq. Voted for war spending bill that would have withdrawn most U.S. troops by March 2008. Supports phased redeployment of U.S. troops. Opposed Bush's plan to send additional troops to Iraq. Had once called for troop withdrawal to begin by the end of 2006.

So, it was Super Tuesday yesterday, yes? When do you guys find out the results?

Hilary is in first place, Obama is about 90 delegates votes behind. McCain is in first place for the republican primaries. Which is very good because Romney looks like he's full of shit and Huckabee worships the bible. Huckabee seems very ignorant to me. Knowing him he would turn American into a catholic country. <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" oreferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"><v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><vath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></vath><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=Picture_x0020_1 style="VISIBILITY: visible; WIDTH: 10.5pt; HEIGHT: 10.5pt; mso-wrap-style: square" alt="0" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1025"><v:imagedata o:title="0" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\UZW146~1.001\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>If Hilary doesn't win this election then I hope McCain does.<o></o>

 

[Daenerys]

So if Hilary and McCain are in first place for their parties, that means that the two of them will be running for President?

It's insane how much our media is covering your elections

 

[Erythritol]

An interesting point I was thinking up... If we plan on getting out of the Iraq War, Hilary Clinton is a horrid choice. Think about it... When dealing with wars and situations in other countries, you have to deal with the country's policies. Middle-eastern countries put women at a lesser value than men... So... In essence... They'd see Hilary as a lesser than any of their leaders, look down on her, etc. Hell, it might even incite more terrorist attacks simply because they'd think America is weak for having a woman president.

I'm not saying a woman is unfit to be a president. I'm just saying if ending the Iraq War is as big of an issue as I assume it is to everyone, it would be like playing Russian Roulette to put a woman in the white house at this time.

You're right. We should definitely take the middle eastern countries' preferences into account when choosing a president for America. Oh wait. That makes no bloody sense. Who cares what they think about our president? Whether they like her/him or not is irrelevant. We can't just be frightened to make certain choices because we think other countries won't like those choices. That's ridiculous. That's allowing ourselves to be completely bullied.

 

[Contra Fates]

It doesn't matter if our President is a woman or not. Though, if Hillary is smart, she will choose a running mate with a lot of military experience, since that is the main thing that McCain has over the other candidates.

It was unofficially announced that McCain has chosen Giuliani as his running mate. So, what he's done, is make sure that I WILL NOT vote for them, because I can't stand Giuliani.

Every other word out of his mouth is: "9/11" "9/11" "9/11.' The last thing we need is another Vice President with a one-track mind. I understand that he did do a lot for New York as Governor, but I just dislike the guy.

I haven't heard anything about who Hillary would pick, but, I have heard that Obama may choose Ted Kennedy if he wins.

And if that happens, I'm going to vote for them all the way, for a really stupid, silly reason. Ted Kennedy is a scumbag. All you have to do is wiki him and learn about the Chappaquiddick incident to know what kind of scum-sucking douchebag he is.

But, the silly reason I'd vote for them, is because Ted is a Kennedy, and therefore, won't live much longer.

...And who would replace Ted should he die? The Speaker of the House. Who is....Nancy Pulosi. A woman.

The irony would be amusing, to say the least.

Though, I think this election is going to be between Clinton and McCain, which I don't mind. As much as I like Obama, I think he'd be better off preparing himself and familiarizing himself with the system more. With more experience, Obama would have been a great candidate.

 

[RioDragon]

xD Technically I'm related to the Kennedy family... But, don't let that become common knowledge or people will start trying to assassinate me or something.

I so agree with Contra Fates... All Giuliani had going for him was saying 9/11 every other word... Part of the reason I don't watch the NEWS is because every word is 9/11, Hurricane Katrina aftermath, etc. Yes, these were disasters, I don't wanna hear about them every freaking day... We don't hear about Mt. Vesuvius everyday since it erupted.

Anywho... I'm honestly unsure who I'd vote for... None of the candidates really seem right for me... I'm just saying that I'm liking Hilary less due to 'her years in the white house' and the time frame we're talking about, with the Iraq War still on, it would make for more middle-eastern terrorist hate.

Though I'm not really prefering anyone...