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I'm curious about the hype over the Bond films.*I've only just recently been properly introduced to them, beginning with Sean Connery, and I just can't get into them. I've always been aware that he's the epitome of the Gary Stu trope, and this is actually what's always intrigued me about the character. I know the Stu/Sue types lack so many elements that would make a character intriguing, but his success caught my attention, and so I was more than willing to watch a few films when my boyfriend brought them to my attention.

After watching a few, with an open mind I should add; I find them to be completely terrible. There is nothing about these films that appeal to me whatsoever. Here you've got a handsome man with charm and wit that would catch any beauty with the highest success, is talented with weapons and gadgets among many things, has all the money anyone could ever ask for and more, and is just all around flawless. I, as a woman, cannot relate to that. Not to mention, I find his lack of flaws incredibly dull, so my attraction toward the character is non-existent, and I can't even at least fangirl over him.*And aside from being total fanservice, the Bond girl should be interesting enough for the female audience, right? Wrong. Everything about these women exist to not only stimulate the male audience's unrealistic fantasies, but to prove to them that James Bond is a magnet to such graceful babes who have never known an unattractive moment.

I think these movies are a pile of rubbish. The only explanation I can come up with is the nostalgia factor.*Like I said, I've only just recently watched them, so there is nothing in my heart for these films at all. There never will be.
 
I totally get what you're talking about. I feel the same way.
I've spoken to my hoard of brothers, asked them why they're interested in something so shallow - their answer: "the appeal is in the gadgets and the action scenes. Not to mention the clever ways Bond gets out of predicaments."
Amazingly, they left out the gorgeous women :huh:
 
I totally get what you're talking about. I feel the same way.
I've spoken to my hoard of brothers, asked them why they're interested in something so shallow - their answer: "the appeal is in the gadgets and the action scenes. Not to mention the clever ways Bond gets out of predicaments."
Amazingly, they left out the gorgeous women :huh:

Yeah, I pretty much flipped shit at a bunch of Bond fans earlier today. They were incredibly appalled at me not liking those films, and I felt they were trying to change my mind about it in a really disrespectful and aggressive way.

I basically told them the OP, plus "I don't harass you guys for enjoying this misogynistic garbage, so I'd appreciate it if you left me alone for disliking it."
 
Yeah, I pretty much flipped shit at a bunch of Bond fans earlier today. They were incredibly appalled at me not liking those films, and I felt they were trying to change my mind about it in a really disrespectful and aggressive way.

Aggressive huh? I guess that's what these Bond films are teaching people: If the girls aren't dressed like sluts and drooling over Bond's suavity, they must be violently dealt with. Wait a minute, isn't that more of a henchmen mentality? >.>
 
I personally have loved James Bond in many ways, that as when I watched them as a kid (It was cool to see a spy kicking ass etc and getting the woman) and in my later life how great they are for the British film industry. I saw the latest one and found it fantastic and yet again it is the longest running franchise in movie history because it will forever do well at the box office :)
 
it will forever do well at the box office :)

I feel like you say that with confidence. I don't think you realize that one day, there may very well be a black Bond, a gay Bond, and maybe even a woman Bond. The list goes on. It's not going to stay the same forever. People will toy with the franchise. They always do.
 
I don't go out of my way to watch them like I used to, but I've always been really into action movies. I've probably seen about half of the Bond films. I find they hardly ever have even a half decent storyline (not many action-y films do really), I do enjoy seeing stuff blow up though. :x3:
 
i'm a big fan of the bond films. i think it definitely helps to have been exposed to them from a young age, because i have a great nostalgic love for the majority of them (even the extremely poor ones like a view to a kill).
i can see why you feel that way about the characterisation, but you must remember that the connery films were made in the 60s when attitudes to women were very different. connery's bond was pretty much a rapist, especially in goldfinger and thunderball.

i think the fact that it has been popular for 50 years is a testament to how good the franchise is. even though the formula is still essentially the same as it was in the 60s, they're still incredibly popular films and are going to be for the forseeable future.
 
James Bond is a fascinating case of brand popularity exceeding product quality. A more recent case would be Apple. Something about James Bond as a character has captured people's imaginations to the point where the movies are only fantastic because of the character's presence. He doesn't have to do much--and in most cases, Bond is actually only a small part of a much larger plot--just so long as he does the few things he's known for, everyone will think of him as a success. This is probably due to his confidence, wit, and suave behavior. In short, he's bold. The movies he's in are bold. People will flock to it just for that.

That being said, out of the few Bond movies I've seen I've found most of them to be enjoyable. The first I saw was Casino Royale, which was just plain a great film--one of the best looking Bond intros, great music, great action, good character development, tense espionage-filled plot, and great film direction overall. Basically, it lived up to the hype I'd had built up for James Bond ever since playing Goldeneye on the N64 back in the 90s. Then I watched Quantum of Solace...for the first and last time. Everything Casino Royale got right, this movie got wrong. Really, really, horribly, awfully wrong. I barely made it through the whole thing. It was so bad in fact that I didn't get back into anything Bond related until just recently. The more I learned about Skyfall, the more I felt like they were getting back to what made Casino Royale so great. I haven't seen the movie myself yet, but from what I have heard from people I know, they've done just that.

Well, since it was on my mind and I had an iTunes gift card, I rented Goldfinger to get a taste of the older movies. It wasn't as good as Casino Royale, but it was great for what could be done with movies in the 60s and still legitimately entertaining for modern audiences. At the same time though, it wasn't a serious watch like Casino. There were some great lines, but the story was pretty predictable and at the end of it I didn't find myself feeling like Bond was the center of the plot; it just kind of passively revolved around him. It was still entertaining, but probably not going to leave you laughing or crying.

All that is to say, I kind of feel like I'm on every side of the argument with Bond movies. I've really enjoyed one, really hated one, and been ok with one. I wouldn't say that as a whole the series deserves quite the enthusiasm it has received, but it if they have nostalgia value or you're willing to get caught up in the unreasonable hype of 007 as a concept as I was, you'll probably enjoy the movies for the most part.
 
I just recently watched the latest one. It was the first time I was actually attracted to James Bond. Daniel Craig is my favourite one, simply because the character is actually interesting. There are flaws, and I was actually able to feel something for him. It's impossible for me to empathize for the others. Bleh
 
The 007 films certainly have progressed in the Daniel Craig era, and especially with Skyfall, what with the inclusion and diversity strategy and whatnot. 007 films shouldn't be considered anything more than extremely popular action-adventure spy films with a note worthy cultural influence. You can forgive the lack of logos in the narrative. Skyfall, is indeed an awesome fucking action movie.
 
Sultan: Yes, absolutely. I understand the nostalgic fans who only want Bond movies to be the same thing over and over again...but I, personally, would just prefer something different. I look forward to growth and being intrigued. I don't want to be able to just know how the film's plot is all laid out in the same order its been for decades. That's just so fucking boring. And if you're gonna keep that up, at least improve the females. Jeez
 
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