Random rant

[Shu]

There is no debate in this thread because the OP is a posting on a game forum in the first place. He basically just called himself out on being a gamer. If you really want me to debate why a kid being of the age of 8 is playing a game like a pro, I'll throw it down, but remember you made yourself look damn bright by posting on this forum.

 

[Dee]

The only time you should intervene is when the child is constantly playing video games, not doing what they're supposed to be doing and pitching a hissy fit when you do say that it's time to stop. If they are otherwise pretty cool about getting in only a certain amount of time however may days of the week, then I believe there should be no problem. Besides, depending on the video game, a child can learn a lot; things like hand-eye coordination, especially puzzle and strategy games. That stuff forces them to use their minds to succeed. But do make sure they're age-appropriate.

 

[Aselia]

There is nothing wrong with playing video games at a young age. Have you ever considered some kids just don't enjoy playing outside? I myself hated playing outside. when I was younger, I did read and such, but I also loved to immerse myself in the story of a good video game. as Bambi said before me. A video game IS almost like an interactive story. You have a character, who has strengths and flaws, and you see that character grow and adapt and learn to deal with or change the situation around them. You help that character on their journey, and in some games you are given the choice to choose right from wrong. In many ways, children can grow and develop from playing video games.

and besides. Why on earth are you on a video game forum, posting about how video games are bad for you? Seems a tad foolish.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Dont give me parenting advice thanks

I gave my opinion, if you don't wanna read it you better stay away from this thread.

I really don't see what's wrong with some video games here and there. Don't force your opinion on us, thanks, and being NICE about what you say doesn't hurt either.

It was just a random rant, without the intention to provoke a serious discussion. If you take it seriously, don't start accusing me of forcing my opinion on you.
And I am being nice, I just disagree with you.

As Kikyou there said about the Leap Frog learning games and all,well, do you think THOSE are bad as well?

Don't think I said once that I think videogames are bad. I said I want my kids to NOT play videogames before a certain age. Never heard of any Leap Frog games but whatever the purpose is of a videogame, I can say the same: no videogames. For every videogame that actually "learns" your kid something, there are half a dozen alternatives that don't require videogames.

I played Final Fantasy and fighting games and shit when I was a kid, from age... 3 or so to now (17) and I'm just fucking FINE for it.

I'm very happy for you. Don't really see how it's relevant though.

Only, it got to -45 with windchill here last year during winter. I think I'll send my siblings out to play in THAT, okay? It's also quite rainy around here,

I guess that's why I also said "toys/dolls/soldiers/cars + boardgames + books". Those are things they can do when they it's too cold to go outside.

and as for sitting down and asking your kids about the book? Some families now have two parents who WORK. Working takes ENERGY. You don't always want to sit down and talk about books with your kid. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is lately.

Sorry, don't give me your excuses. I'm not interested

I read to my littlest sister, who's a year old, but I also just played FFX with her a few nights ago. Is it appropriate? Probably not entirely. Is it going to hurt her? I really doubt it. She likes hitting the buttons and it's helping her gain coordination.

I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Please elaborate why you feel pushing some random buttons helps her gain coordination.

I love Wii Sports, it's quite fun. We've had family tournaments and shit for fun, and I think spending time with your family like that is much better than reading a book or playing outside sometimes. So yeah. I disagree with your post (s)

We also had family tournaments when I was young. Table tennis, darts, chess, monopoly, stratego, some traditional old games like "sjoelbakken" (don't think there's an english word for it but here's a picture) etc.

Strangely enough, we never needed videogames.

But that does not get rid of the fallacy that you are still assuming little kids will (without fail) play video games to the exclusion of all else. This simply is not so. Here's a fact: If you give a child a very small avenue of entertainment, they will eventually find that entertainment as boring, and will dislike it more and more. Give them a variety, and they will find an equilibrium (though it may take a parent's good sense to enforce it at times) between different mediums of entertainment.

Otherwise, they will grow to hate either video games or sports (whichever they are limited to) so much, they will have nothing to do with it. Like having nothing but ham sandwhiches to eat -- after a week or two, you'll scream at the mere sight of bread. The same goes for forms of entertainment (intellectual and physical). To ensure a continued interest, provide a variety. It's simply common sense.

Your logic is flawed, for the simple reason that you seem to assume life without videogames leads to a very small avenue of entertainment.

Next time read my post completely. I already said forcing your kid to read every day will get it to detest reading. Then again, I never said reading is the only alternative for videogames.

No, actually. Just two graduate students, Shawn Green and Daphne Bavelier, of the University of Rochester. I've done some extensive research on the subject.

Here is a link to their direct research as it was oficially submitted, with all their results should you wish to puruse it:
http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/Daphne/GreenandBavelier.pdf

Here is a short summary that effectively describes the process and results:
http://www.usabilitynews.com/news/article1121.asp

Take a look at them. You'll notice that all the experiments done are as scientifically accurate as possible. They did a very good job conducting this experiment. Notice that no game company is mentioned anywhere.

Also take a look at the book Everything Bad Is Good For You by Steven Johnson. As he points out, video games and movies are far more cerebral today than they ever were in the past. (There's no comparison between the 50's The Hulk show and today's Lost.) Compare Tetris to modern games. As they go, it's probably the simplest game out there, excluding Pong. Now fast-forward and consider the immensely challenging and complex games of World of Warcraft, Oblivion, and Fallout 3. These newer games have huge guides to help the player through the game and to manipulate the rules.

To quote Johnson, "Games force you to make decisisions. Novels may activate our imagination, and music may conjure up powerful emotions, but games force you to decide, to choose, to prioritize. All the intellectual benefits of gaming derive from this fundamental virtue, because learning how to think is ultimately about learning to make the right decsions: weighing evidence, analyzing situations, consulting your long-term goals, and then deciding. No other pop cultural form directly engages the brain's decision-making apparatus in the same way."

I have to admit, the man has quite a point, does he not?

Thanks for the links, but unfortunately the .pdf link doesn't work.

This means I can't give a proper reply because it doesn't say in the text weither the tests were made with little kids or with teenagers. And I'm only advocating against the use of videogames before they reach puberty.

About Johnson's quote, I have yet to encounter a boardgame that doesn't give the same results. When playing monopoly, stratego and chess (just to name a few) you also have to make decissions, analyze situations, consult your long-term goals etc. AND, unlike videogames, boardgames are 95% of the time played with 2 or more people.

He has a point, but it's not good enough to convince me.

Ah, but remember one thing -- books take you for a journey but they do not actually directly engage the thinking process. There is truly no intellectual workout, mainly because the reader acts as a witness but not as a participant. Refer to the quote from Johnson above. Books conjure imagination (and believe me I love my books) but games pose situations that require a thoughtful interaction. Books do not flex the mental muscle the way games do. Nowhere near.

Perhaps you should try some other books. I find many books that don't limit themselves to only conjuring imagination but also provoking a thought process.

I agree, reading books and playing D&D are some of my most treasured pastimes. But, as I've said before, those can become stale and even detestable if they are the sole options for any kind of entertainment or whathaveyou. The point here is to provide options, to open new avenues, and to allow more freedom with thought, amusement, and different ways of looking at things in general.

Yes, when they are at a certain age they'll get a new option. Videogames. Just like they'll get a new option at 14-15: going out (to parties, not going for a swim).

Ofcourse, it all depends on their mentality.

Still, the point I was truly addressing was the hostility you are bringing to the situation.

The hostility was merely to make a point. It was a random rant in the Spam Coliseum, not a serious discussion provoking thread. So please forgive me for using strong language.

Is that so? Could you please expand on this statement a bit? What made you change your mind? My experience was the complete opposite from what I hear.

Why do you have to hear about your experience?
Anyway, what has changed my mind is my little brother. Every day I see him playing videogames and it bloody annoys me. That started in the time my mom was a single mom for a few years and seeing as we had a big family it was very energy consuming for her to be busy with all her kids so she just said "play a videogame" out of lazyness. (Yes, I know, stupid excuses and that's what I told her)
We're 3 years later and except for football practice and school, my little brother never leaves the house to play with little friends.

Do I believe videogames caused this? Yes.
Do I want this to happen to my kids? No.

You have no right to be rude. I've been civil to you. Please treat me with the same respect -- that is all I ask.

Your succes is absolutely irrelevant in this case, so I was under the assumption you said it to boast and to give more credibility to your arguments. I still feel the same.

Also, you still haven't explained WHY that age limit is so important. Care to elaborate?

Age limit isn't that important. Initially I spoke about puberty, but it's easier to typ 12. As I replied to another quote of yours, it's more their mentality that's important.

I just want them to entertain themselves without videogames until a certain age. When they reach that certain age, playing with dolls and soldiers isn't that appealing anymore so we need an alternative and one of those can be videogames.



Nope, no bullshit. Just mud.

And, if there are so many things as you say, would you care to list them please? I'm very interested as to what you propose. Also, why should video games be such a last resort? Personally, I'd rather have my kids playing video games than go tree-climbing without my knowledge.

I've mentioned half a dozen in the last few pages, I'm no parental advisor so if you're really interested I suggest you read a book that breaches this topic.

Your example is a bit flawed, because I assume EVERY parent prefers their kids to be safely inside (ironic though, as if it's actually safer inside) than to do stuff without their parents knowledge and consent. If my kid comes up to me and says "Can I go treeclimbing or play a videogame?" I'll always reply: "go treeclimbing son, but be careful and be home at x".

Ah, but if you take away all other options of any kind of non-physical entertainment, you've basically forced them to partake in such extreme hours of reading.

Why do you think forbidding a kid to play videogames is taking away all his options of non-physical entertainment?

And video games BETTER than reading? No, I don't believe that. No one does, not even Steven Johnson. But do video games have worthy merits of their own that reading doesn't provide? Absolutely.

Does mister Johnson say those merits can only be obtained before they hit puberty and if so that there are no alternatives at all?


Edit: The .pdf file works now and te small letters say: "Subjects were aged between 18-23 years". And as far as I know we are talking about kids aged below 12 (or before they hit puberty).

There is no debate in this thread because the OP is a posting on a game forum in the first place. He basically just called himself out on being a gamer. If you really want me to debate why a kid being of the age of 8 is playing a game like a pro, I'll throw it down, but remember you made yourself look damn bright by posting on this forum.

Perhaps you should read a text completely, stop, think about what to say, stop and only then post instead of read a text halfway, make a rapid (and wrong) conclusion and post a snide remark.

Yes, I'm a gamer. Yes, I like playing video-games. But I'm not exactly 8 years old am I...

Besides, depending on the video game, a child can learn a lot; things like hand-eye coordination, especially puzzle and strategy games. That stuff forces them to use their minds to succeed.

Yes, a child CAN learn from some video games. BUT, for every video game out there to be learned from, there's many more alternatives that don't require video games to have the same impact.

and besides. Why on earth are you on a video game forum, posting about how video games are bad for you? Seems a tad foolish.

Please, with all do respect, either quote me where I say videogames are bad for people or refrain from saying such things.

I never said videogames are bad, I only said I don't want my kids to play videogames until they reach a certain age or have a change in mentality.

 

[Aselia]

~Please Do Not Double Post.~

Secondly. Age is irrelevant. You shouldn't smother your kids so much as to tell them they can't play games until they are of a certain age. Just because your mother told your brother to play a video game, and he did, doesn't mean its all the video game's fault he doesn't go outside. That could be the result of a number of different things.

 

[Bambi]

I gave my opinion, if you don't wanna read it you better stay away from this thread.

Don't start telling me where to post either. I'm allowed to dislike what you say and post where I choose. However, you have NO right to call anyone that lets their children game in MODERATION a bad parent. Just because people share a different view to you, you're allowed to be rude and resort to personal insults? Grow up. I mean, what kind of a message is smashing a childs game to bits REALLY going to send them about violence? That's BRILLIANT parenting right there pal. Absolutely astounding, I bow down to you, seriously

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Don't start telling me where to post either. I'm allowed to dislike what you say and post where I choose. However, you have NO right to call anyone that lets their children game in MODERATION a bad parent. Just because people share a different view to you, you're allowed to be rude and resort to personal insults? Grow up. I mean, what kind of a message is smashing a childs game to bits REALLY going to send them about violence? That's BRILLIANT parenting right there pal. Absolutely astounding, I bow down to you, seriously

For some reason I always have to explain things three times here, why's that?

"Anyway, I was speaking figuratively ofcourse."
"The hostility was merely to make a point. It was a random rant in the Spam Coliseum, not a serious discussion provoking thread. So please forgive me for using strong language."

I haven't called anyone a bad parent, I haven't been rude, nor have I resorted to personal insults. If you read things that aren't there, don't start crying and accusing me of things I never did.

Thanks.

 

[Bambi]

For some reason I always have to explain things three times here, why's that?

"Anyway, I was speaking figuratively ofcourse."
"The hostility was merely to make a point. It was a random rant in the Spam Coliseum, not a serious discussion provoking thread. So please forgive me for using strong language."

I haven't called anyone a bad parent, I haven't been rude, nor have I resorted to personal insults. If you read things that aren't there, don't start crying and accusing me of things I never did.

Thanks.

Don't worry, you haven't made me cry -pats-

No crime in disagreeing with your silly statements now is there

 

[Donald Trump]

There is no debate in this thread because the OP is a posting on a game forum in the first place. He basically just called himself out on being a gamer. If you really want me to debate why a kid being of the age of 8 is playing a game like a pro, I'll throw it down, but remember you made yourself look damn bright by posting on this forum.

Our OP's point is a little odd, as he believes that playing videogames at the age of 8 is somehow bad for children. I'm not sure if he has said why, it can't be because videogames aren't educational, as he himself has pointed out that some are, and as the Ray Winstone-esque Daddy he can obviously control what games his child/children plays.
They don't encourage obesity anymore than TV or even reading.
I for one, would like to know why Rik Mayall does not want his children to play Videogames.

 

[Serah]

For some reason I always have to explain things three times here, why's that?

"Anyway, I was speaking figuratively ofcourse."
"The hostility was merely to make a point. It was a random rant in the Spam Coliseum, not a serious discussion provoking thread. So please forgive me for using strong language."

I haven't called anyone a bad parent, I haven't been rude, nor have I resorted to personal insults. If you read things that aren't there, don't start crying and accusing me of things I never did.

Thanks.

Like hell you didn't. You discreetly threw in that little "it keeps parents from parenting for awhile. " statement. We're not idiots here. We know exactly where you were coming from with that sentence. Just because your mom had a big family, was exhausted from always taking care of all of you and let your brother go play a video game so she could probably relax for awhile, doesn't mean that all parents are like that. Are you even a parent? I'm sorry but if you're not, I really don't think you should be allowed a say-so in how we raise our kids and let them play video games. Also, don't threaten people to stay away from this thread and DO NOT double/triple post anymore. Clearly you've not read the site rules. If you must post more the EDIT your post and quote EVERYONE in there, okay?

 

[blakstang98]

Seeing as how this turned into a flame war, I'll keep my post short and to the point. I've been playing video games since I was very young, like 3 years old maybe, and I'm 26 now. I suppose I can't give any real statistical numbers to drive my point home, but I can tell you this. Sure, I was very pasty skinned when I was a child. Sure, I suppose I was never really street smart. Sure, I was never overweight, but then again I inherited a good metabolism from my mother, so I didn't gain weight easily. But on the same token I never got fooled into taking drugs, I never got involved in gangs, I never went to prison and I wasn't dead on the street corner for pissing someone I shouldn't have. It turned out that I got a full education with a BS in Mechanical Engineering and I'm 2 years into my career which pays well. Playing video games didn't get me to where I am, but I didn't hold me back either.

I'm not going to argue with how you want to bring up your child/children, it's up to you what you how you want to raise them. My ultimate point is that video games won't help or hurt a child, no matter what age.

 

[Shu]

I reiterate you are posting on a game forum, and age of 8 is more healthy than the age of 23 (considering the bill making process). You are clowing yourself.. dawg.

Let's see... here..

Let's go with my own experience. Age 4 - NES/Atari- Centipede and Mario and Duckhunt. My local neighbors (8 of us) and I had contests on score ratios back when just to see if we could one up each other, that's about as pro as you get in 1988 (without being Billy Mitchell from Donkey Kong). We played many many many games in fact, such as Final Fantasy, Gauntlet, Altered Beast (sega), and Castlevania. I have it to thank for my ability to multitask and my god given love for technology and computer coding. I make a moderate salary today thanks to it, and if I didn't follow my love for gaming throughout high school as well I would probably be unemployed like the other 87% of my '03 graduation class.

Eight? Why not it does nothing wrong for the kid as long as he gets outside and exerts his energy. At eight I was playing Baseball (coach pitch at the time), Soccer (center forward), and Basketball (Right Guard). To say the least I had a pretty active lifestyle, but when those weekends hit when I didn't have a scheduled sporting event you could bet me and my buds sat around and played Madden on the genesis or maybe some Streets of Rage 2. Then there was golden eye.. god this game sucked my life away with my buds. Sleepovers till 5 am in the morning trying to beat that stupid Cargo Bay level, or just doing versus.

I agree not everyone had a childhood like mine, some buckled away from society and became anti-social gamers, but that's their prerogative. When my mom had cancer and I had to live in Dallas, Texas for 3 months with her while she went through doses of Radiation and Chemotherapy and Surgery on her lymph nodes, do you think I had much options at the age of 9? Hell no I was playing NBA Jam with my newly met friend Dan Green from Irvine Texas on his Sega Handheld.

I'm a proud Gamer.. I have come to accept it no matter how many people think I have never touched a game, I have been a Console to PC back to Console gamer, and me and my Fiance .. Beautiful if I do say so myself play together Borderlands right now.

It is apart of my life.. and at 8 years old.. kid needs that sort of attention sometimes. The parents need a break every now and again. It's better than hearing... "Moooooooooommmm I'm Borrreeeddd and its raining out..." Then with their little ADHD bodies of theirs they start banging around the house making all sorts of racket.

Bored (board.. but emphasis on bored) games are the same as video games in my mind too. So that's a moot point. Only difference one being more complex and visual. Interactivity though, they are on the same level. Don't get me wrong though.. I get bored after an hours worth of monopoly... especially if people don't take risks and buy houses or do deals. I'm more of a Card fan myself (poker).

Anyway, that's my spheel - I have no Scientific Bullcrap knowledge per se on what video games may cause or even what sports may cause, so I just wanted to throw down what I personally believe.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

I played games when I was little, and I played outside. See, you can do both.

Oh, and a video game taught me to read, so they can be educational. Thank god for Reader Rabbit, as my first grade teacher couldn't do her job.

I will have no problem with my children playing video games, as long as it isn't all they do. That applys to myself as well. Anything is okay in moderation.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Like hell you didn't. You discreetly threw in that little "it keeps parents from parenting for awhile. " statement. We're not idiots here. We know exactly where you were coming from with that sentence. Just because your mom had a big family, was exhausted from always taking care of all of you and let your brother go play a video game so she could probably relax for awhile, doesn't mean that all parents are like that. Are you even a parent? I'm sorry but if you're not, I really don't think you should be allowed a say-so in how we raise our kids and let them play video games. Also, don't threaten people to stay away from this thread and DO NOT double/triple post anymore. Clearly you've not read the site rules. If you must post more the EDIT your post and quote EVERYONE in there, okay?

Yes, I threw that in. Does that mean I think you're a bad parent when you do that? No, you just handle that situation not to my liking. I'm sure you're a better parent when it comes to other stuff.

I'm entitled to an opinion and merely expressing that opinion is not telling you how to raise your kids. You're a touchy bunch of people aren't you? "little kids shouldn't play videogames imo" "OMG OMG DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY KIDS PLSSS".

I didn't threatened anyway. I expressed my opinion, someone (for some reason) felt I was telling how to raise her children and forbid me to do so. I just said that if she didn't want to read my opinion she shouldn't visit this topic. Which seems logical, not?

I've read the rules. Simply didn't expect such bitching about a double/triple post when I've adressed half a dozen of people in them. Especially when 2 posts were bigger than I expected. When merging that stuff, it tends to get quite obscure/unclear.

 

[Serah]

I'm a better parent when it comes to other stuff? Excuse me? So, because I let my little boy engage in some video game activity time that automatically makes me a bad parent? I don't understand you and you really have some nerve. Honestly, you're not entitled an opinion to how I raise my child because for one you don't know me or my husband, for two you don't know my son, and for three you don't know how we handle things in our household, so you should hold your tongue. It's no surprise the mothers that have posted in here feel like you're practically trying to ram down our throats how we should raise our kids with your asinine comments on us allowing them to play video games at their leisure. You sir, don't have children and so to be honest, you really really do NOT know what you're talking about. Also, I really don't care if your posts become obscure or not. We do NOT allow double/triple posting under any circumstances. Do not do it again.

 

[Kim Taehyung]

I'll keep this somewhat brief, since I made a rather lengthy post about this topic last night. I do not see, at all, how someone could be a bad parent because they allow their child/children to play video games. I personally think playing video games is actually quite healthy, so long as it doesn't engulf their entire life. I feel that no one should be called a bad parent because their child plays video games. for example, I don't know Mandi personally, but from what I've heard of her talk of her son, she is a very loving parent, and I really admire that about her. I don't think that someone who talks of their child with such admiration and love could ever be called a bad parent.

And lastly, I really don't understand why someone would come into a video game forum and practically bash video games by saying how bad they are for you, while admitting that you play them yourself. Not anything against you, but I just wanted to point that out and say how odd it was.

that's all I have to say about that. Thanks.

 

[CassinoChips]

I'm thinking along the same lines as Shu: I don't know what you expected, coming to a website whose focal point is a video game, then saying parents shouldn't allow their kids to play video games. If you're trolling, well done. If not, I question your judgment and logical capacity.

As with anything, there's a balance. If my parents had let me stay inside all day and play Final Fantasy VI, would I? Of course. (I did.) If my parents had let me stay outside all day and play football/baseball/basketball with the neighborhood kids, would I? Of course. (I did.) What was best, though, and I even recognized it at the time, though I'd never admit it, was when I did both.

And Final Fantasy, along with every other RPG, was basically a book in video game form, back in the days before voice acting. You had to read EVERYTHING, and they were often names/words that you weren't familiar with. Is it the same as reading Tolstoy or Chaucer? No, but it is reading, and that's the important thing.

They're your hypothetical children, you can hypothetically raise them however you hypothetically want, but I can hypothetically say that you're hypothetically depriving them of a hypothetical opportunity to be hypothetically stimulated in a positive. But just like you won't want to be told how to raise your hypothetical children, I don't think it's wise to judge any of the parenting standards of people here in regards to whether they allow their children to play video games or not. Different strokes, you see. Whether you intended to judge or not is irrelevant, because the way you worded it implied that your opinion on parenting was superior to all others.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Christ, this must be like the 5th time I'm saying this:

I don't think videogames are bad. I just believe kids should be doing other things in their free time than playing videogames.

So please, drop the "omg you're weird you complain about videogames on a videogame-forum and you actually play videogames yourself"-story.

Kikyou, you just keep reading what you want to read right?

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

Dear Mr. Flashcart:

Good evening good sir. My name is Tsukianei, and I am a resident on FFF (Final Fantasy Forums). I was checking out posts and I came across this gem of a thread. Upon reading, I felt a range of emotions, love, hate, fear, humor, BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW, and then above all else, fail.

You see, although you do a great job of expressing your opinion, I must ask a question of epic proportions. Why post a thread abolishing video games from the young in a video game forum? You see, this is Final Fantasy Forums, not to be confused with I Hate Kids Playing Video Games Forums. You see, we're two different forums here.

I dare say your thread was about as effective as a four cylinder engine attempting to power a tank.

You might was well have posted a thread entitled "Fat Chicks Suck" on a forum about women with eating disorders. Or a thread entitled "Free Abortions" on a pro-life website.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? You thread, while it does serve a point, is sadly... in the wrong place, and the wrong time. The wrong time of course would be all the time on a forum dedicated to a video game.

What exactly were you thinking? Were you thinking at all? I think not. Your post was about the equivalent of shitting in a fish tank, it just doesn't have any place here.

Now, let us look at all the people you have offended, for lack of a better word. In fact, let us take a look at just one person, the only person that you should be concerned about actually.

When you go around stating that you believe someone to be a bad parent, while it may be your opinion, you have to keep in mind, that there are people who would in fact get angry about it. Whom you ask? Why, parents of course. You took a direct shot at a parent on here whom of which just so happens to be an Admin. Now, when someone like an admin starts unleashing the fucking fury on you, this is where you may want to sit down and think to yourself, "Where the fuck did I go wrong?" (Which, if you had done that, would be the smartest thing you've done upon posting this thread.)

Seeing as this is a gaming forum, keep in mind that hardly anyone, if anyone at all, is going to agree with your view.

You see, if circumstances were different, and I were an admin, I would have banned you on general principal alone. Not because you have a unique opinion, I would ban you because it takes one stupid motherfucker to post an opinion like that on a gaming forum and expect to not get a hostile feedback.

Your argument is also invalid. You see, in order to have a valid opinion on parenting, you must truly know what good and bad parenting is, or you must be a parent. (Or in my case, where I was a victim of bad parenting, and just so happen to know what a bad parent truly is.)

Just because you see a kid playing a video game on a sunny day, does not by any means mean that the parents are bad. You must also take into consideration that we are living in an age where recess in schools is being taken away, gym in schools is no longer required, and intelligence is now being seen for what it truly is: a rarity, and a virtue.

I happen to believe that video games can increase the intellectual output of our youth. Video Games are like an interactive book that grabs the child's attention, and teaches him things. It can teach him wrong from right, what courage and honor is, hand and eye coordination, increases reflex, and can teach a child to read. Sure, there are books, but how many 8 year olds are going to be able to sit down and read a book and not put it down for hours on end? It just doesn't grab their attention unfortunately.

While I could possibly argue this forever, I will come to my closing thoughts.

Successful troll is successful and I award you with the troll of the year award. Which is nothing, because I'm too busy playing video games to buy you a cookie. Now, if you're done with your useless drivel, feck off.

As many a person on 4chan would say "You are and idiot. " (See what I did there?)

Vindictively yours,
Tsukianei

 

[Shu]

I think they got your point man, but the way you worded it sounded like you were attacking parents in general. Everyone can agree that kids don't need to spend all their time playing games, that often times interactivity with other individuals (aside from only friends) is good and healthy as well as exercise a little.

Playing "video" games at 8 to most of us is normal, if I make speak for the masses, but I believe you are getting at pro.. gaming. Which is all on another level, hince where I've written an "MLG" thread. (major league gaming).

When you try to give parenting advice at the younger age you are, when we have quite a bit of mothers on the forum, I doubt people will be that happy with you.

I honestly was trying to be a condescending jackass on purpose. Why? Because .. gaming forum, I mean come on. Parenting children is a hard bit to pull off and until you actually have a few hoolagans of your own, its hard to speak on the subject. Hince why I really stay out of the matter, people will run their kids the way they want.

I see nothing wrong in kids playing at the age of 4 5 6 7 8 all the way to 18. It's just we have a difference of opinions. Your points are often "flawed" because it looks like you are speaking at people, and these people exist on these forums. You can't just put an opinion out there and expect everyone else to follow through. You have to use a little persuasion and logic.