Member Middlemen Nominations

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After the recent wave of drama, mainly originating from this section, the staff have unanimously decided that things need to change, to prevent more drama.

So, we have decided to use a Member Middleman system. Members will elect three middlemen - or women - and they will be used to represent the members in a closed forum - which only staff members and middlemen can post in. The rest of the members will be able to view this forum, but not post in it.

If you have any complaints with any specific staff members, or staff members on a whole, you will take it to the middlemen, who will then take it to us in the aforementioned forum. The feedback & Suggestions forum will still remain open, however, all complaints regarding staff members will be handled between the middlemen and the staff members only.

After 3 days, there will be a voting thread where members will vote for their three representatives. We ask that you try and choose kind, unbiased, approachable members to be your middlemen, as you should feel comfortable approaching them with your problems. Also, be sure to include reasons for nominating members please.

So, please, use this thread to nominate people to be your middlemen, and after 3 days, everyone who has been nominated will be put into a voting thread, in which your three middlemen will be chosen by the public.
 
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Is this really going to work? I mean if i had a problem with a member of staff id much rather bring it up myself, rather than, to have to keep passing on information to someone else. Im sure many others would agree. Wouldn't it be more effective to have one forum where everyone can voice they're oppinion. That way you can see exactly who's got the problem and what they've got to say about it.
 
We're going to at least try it out. If it doesn't work, obviously we will look for alternative solutions =]
 
Me and Ruka might not have gotten along in the past, but I think he should be nominated due to the fact he does try to help people often and he isn't one to forget anything.
Edit: I also would like to nominate Busta, and Moonchild.
 
Not sure if Moderators can vote but I don't see why not.

I'm voting for Jane/Clementine, purely down to the fact that she's never been involved in any trouble before (so she might not want to be involved but I'm voting for her anyway) and is a completely level-headed person. Knowing her in real life, I can vouch for her maturity and genuine personality and I'd love to see someone like Jane taking part in this.
 
Sorry but this sounds a tad pointless to me. How is it going to prevent dramaz? It just sounds as if some staff just can't take the flak directly and need a middleman with no real power to take it instead. If someone has a problem with a staff or member then they should go straight to another member of staff or take it up with them directly. After all a good staff member should be able to take whats thrown at them and have it sorted out in reasonable, un-biased manner.

I like Lagunas Dream idea about an open forum for everyone to see who's got the problem with who and what, and save all the unnecessary bullshit passing back and fourth this Middleman idea may produce. Plus it will be hard to find member regulars who are really 100% unbiased as we ALL have our favorites, even if we don't like to admit it or really aware of it.
 
The only thing that is going to prevent drama on these boards if the mods themselves can keep themselves above it. Before that happens, no number of intermediary tiers will help. Go ahead and try it. It may serve to calm down some of the drama starters but honestly, until the staff here becomes a little more thickskinned or mature, it's not going to help. There will always be bad members. All you can really do is be above it.
 
I'll just post basically what I said in HQ. It won't solve anything, by getting normal members involved with staff affairs it will only escalate the drama, not solve it, which was why members have always been told to PM an admin if they have any problems with staff -- therefore, it is behind closed doors which won't cause drama and will also be handled more professionally and quicker.

Secondly, it's impractical. It's such a fuss on having to go through the "middlemen" when it's so much more efficient and quicker if they took it to an admin, or even the staff member themselves. Having middlemen just makes it far longer to solve and inefficient.
 
I think with what counts as "drama" lately, we don't need it. If there were massive disturbances between staff and members, and even within staff then I'd see the need, but right now just... no.

A good compromise would be to make the staff forum viewable to all.
 
This is a good idea, and I applaud the staff for efforts to increase communication between staff and member, but honestly, I've seen this in practice and it didn't work. Of course, that was a different forum, and there was a major breakdown in order there, so perhaps it's different here...

I'd really rather recommend a system by where the complaint is moved from the involved staff and member and presented to the admin. If the admins are stalemated or don't know what to do, call in the entire staff, vote on it and let it go.

Making the staff forum viewable probably wouldn't work, because it would just move the dicussion to PMs and IMs and leaving a lot less to track and more difficult for individual staff members to get in on the loop, if need be.

Again, I don't see what happens behind the closed doors, and I'm out of the loop here, but I just think that's how it should go with what I've seen.
 
Dragonsoul said:
I'd really rather recommend a system by where the complaint is moved from the involved staff and member and presented to the admin. If the admins are stalemated or don't know what to do, call in the entire staff, vote on it and let it go.
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That system is already in place - the problem arises when particular individuals ignore that system (case in point: our latest dramatic departure).

Again, I don't see what happens behind the closed doors, and I'm out of the loop here, but I just think that's how it should go with what I've seen.
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You're more in the loop than you think you are. xD
 
Dragonsoul said:
This is a good idea, and I applaud the staff for efforts to increase communication between staff and member, but honestly, I've seen this in practice and it didn't work. Of course, that was a different forum, and there was a major breakdown in order there, so perhaps it's different here...

I'd really rather recommend a system by where the complaint is moved from the involved staff and member and presented to the admin. If the admins are stalemated or don't know what to do, call in the entire staff, vote on it and let it go.

Making the staff forum viewable probably wouldn't work, because it would just move the dicussion to PMs and IMs and leaving a lot less to track and more difficult for individual staff members to get in on the loop, if need be.

Again, I don't see what happens behind the closed doors, and I'm out of the loop here, but I just think that's how it should go with what I've seen.
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I agree with his idea it would make the staff have the ability to talk about it between themselves instead of having privileged members snooping into where they shouldn't really be.

Also could we have a post or something to keep track of what the staff are working on? It would calm things down a little.
 
Haji said:
Also could we have a post or something to keep track of what the staff are working on? It would calm things down a little.
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I have no issue with thread updated by the staff. It'd have to be global moderators or administrators, however, since regular moderats can't do this.

I'm going to pass this on right now, actually.
 
Right, since we won't be implementing this then, I'll go ahead and close this thread. Thank you guys for your inputs and suggestions about this matter. :)

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