Welsh guy murders Ex for free breakfast

[Rapture]

Errr it's kind of sad how the commenters in this thread are making this seem like it's not a big deal. Sure death and murder happens every day but it doesn't make this any less disturbing or sad specially because he was a kid and was still capable of this.

It is sad, isn't it?

I'm sorry if I were one of the friends he mentioned this to a handful of times I would've started thinking this wasn't really a joke and more of an omen that he was really seriously thinking of hurting/killing this girl. There have been many instances of people who talk like this and others who think its a joke and then something really awful happens and they go through with doing something truly awful and people end up dying...like in the case of the Virginia Tech massacre/Columbine shootings.

The friends should be reprimanded for not telling someone after he said this to them a few times. It should have indicated he was really considering it and that it wasn't just a sick joke. ...and tbh the free breakfast shouldn't have anything to do with it. I wouldn't chuckle a bit if I knew the outcome of someone killing someone else was a free breakfast.

 

[Will Graham]

It is sad, isn't it?

I'm sorry if I were one of the friends he mentioned this to a handful of times I would've started thinking this wasn't really a joke and more of an omen that he was really seriously thinking of hurting/killing this girl. There have been many instances of people who talk like this and others who think its a joke and then something really awful happens and they go through with doing something truly awful and people end up dying...like in the case of the Columbine shootings.

The friends should be reprimanded for not telling someone after he said this to them a few times. It should have indicated he was really considering it and that it wasn't just a sick joke. ...and tbh the free breakfast shouldn't have anything to do with it. I wouldn't chuckle a bit if I knew the outcome of someone killing someone else was a free breakfast.

For approximately the last year, I have been listening to my best friend explain to me of his plot to rob the local bank. It is actually rather intelligent and well thought out, and he has refined it continuously. Should I report him as a would be robber?

A few years ago I had a teacher that took a disliking to six students in particular(myself included), she would attempt to humiliate and embarrass us. As well as use the slightest excuse to give us detention. We used to joke about how much we hated her, and intended to kidnap her and drive her off a cliff at the end of the year. Should we be arrested as a terrorist cell?

Have you heard of the term paraprosdokian? It is basically a sentence, that when you hear it in full makes you re-examine the beginning of the sentence

for example, "cutting up onions brings a tear to my eye, he was such a good dog"

Because we know this story ends in tragedy, it is easy to look back on those conversations as an ominous foreshadowing of the impending murder. If he had not killed that girl in the end, no one would ever bat an eyelid at that kind of conversation, not in today's world imo

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

Meh, I know it's been said before, but shit like this happens all the time. In just the last few weeks alone a man killed his parents, threw some random junk on the bodies to hide them then threw a party. A man and his new girlfriend killed his ex-wife so he could get custody of the kids, and now a teenage kills his girlfriend for a free breakfast. The world is full of fucked up shit, that shouldn't be news to anyone.

Now, what's really sad is when all this is reported daily, but when good things happen nothing is ever said. However, bad fucked up news like this sells. Honestly, how many people do you know would buy a newspaper if on the front page it said, "cute kitten shits gold". I know I wouldn't, I'd much rather read the newspaper that was telling me about a boy murdering someone for free breakfast.

Because it's more interesting, clearly.

Also, my dearest friend, Licky. Here in 'Murika, some people like to take things way too seriously. For example, in high school, I was questioned by two on campus police officers for saying I was going to kill my friend's girlfriend and molest her dog.

It was a joke, obviously... but it just goes to show that some people can't joke around without being morons. This is why we can't have nice things... like Brasseye.

 

[Squid]

For approximately the last year, I have been listening to my best friend explain to me of his plot to rob the local bank. It is actually rather intelligent and well thought out, and he has refined it continuously. Should I report him as a would be robber?

A few years ago I had a teacher that took a disliking to six students in particular(myself included), she would attempt to humiliate and embarrass us. As well as use the slightest excuse to give us detention. We used to joke about how much we hated her, and intended to kidnap her and drive her off a cliff at the end of the year. Should we be arrested as a terrorist cell?

Have you heard of the term paraprosdokian? It is basically a sentence, that when you hear it in full makes you re-examine the beginning of the sentence

for example, "cutting up onions brings a tear to my eye, he was such a good dog"

Because we know this story ends in tragedy, it is easy to look back on those conversations as an ominous foreshadowing of the impending murder. If he had not killed that girl in the end, no one would ever bat an eyelid at that kind of conversation, not in today's world imo

It's the fact that he said in Text "are you still offering that Breakfast etc etc" that line of text made me feel uncomfortable, he's pretty much telling his friend he's going to go do it.
If my friend confirmed to me in a text that they were going to do something like that (Even if it was a joke or even if I didn't know they were actually going to do it) I'd still sms them back asking if they were serious or if they were ok rather than "YEAH DUDE YOU"RE SO COOL GO KILL THAT BITCH"

I think most normal people know when a 'joke' is going too far.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

It's the fact that he said in Text "are you still offering that Breakfast etc etc" that line of text made me feel uncomfortable, he's pretty much telling his friend he's going to go do it.
If my friend confirmed to me in a text that they were going to do something like that (Even if it was a joke or even if I didn't know they were actually going to do it) I'd still sms them back asking if they were serious or if they were ok rather than "YEAH DUDE YOU"RE SO COOL GO KILL THAT BITCH"

I think most normal people know when a 'joke' is going too far.

Only, I believe most normal people would believe it to still be a joke. I've made jokes like this before, and I still do today. In fact, I've told people that I would murder/physically harm people in the past for a $100. It's a joke, simple as that. And I've even made a reference to said conversation before through text much like the killer did.

Such as, "Hey, are you still offering $100 for me to beat the shit out of that guy?" Of course, he laughed, I laughed, and we both knew I wasn't going to do it. Why? Because I'm a rational, logical, level headed individual.

If the kids thought the same about their friend, they never had reason to suspect him. They never saw it coming.

However, if their friend had a history of mental instability and hurting people in the past... then, you would be correct, and they should have done something about it.

 

[Rapture]

For approximately the last year, I have been listening to my best friend explain to me of his plot to rob the local bank. It is actually rather intelligent and well thought out, and he has refined it continuously. Should I report him as a would be robber?

Robbing banks and murdering someone are very different from each other, in my opinion. One crime leaves the fed's paying people back their money that was stolen, the incovenience for the cops who possibly have to make arrests, and some emotional scarring for those involved at the scene of the crime. Murder means someone's friend is gone that they'll never talk to again, a man/woman who will never see their family again or never be able to live their life to the fullest means...and quite possibly many years of mourning for those that they left behind. While they are both crimes, they are both on totally different levels. Money can be replaced. People cannot.

A few years ago I had a teacher that took a disliking to six students in particular(myself included), she would attempt to humiliate and embarrass us. As well as use the slightest excuse to give us detention. We used to joke about how much we hated her, and intended to kidnap her and drive her off a cliff at the end of the year. Should we be arrested as a terrorist cell?

You all know its a joke between more than one person, obviously...and it is an opinion that is shared by more than one. However, did you talk about what car you were going to use to do this? Did you say what would be the best time to do this? Did you intricately plan this? No. This kid had more than the casual joke in mind. He was talking about the means to commit this crime...a crime that only he had in mind. ...and he mentioned it many times. That should have been an indicator. Whether you don't agree with that is your opinion.

Because we know this story ends in tragedy, it is easy to look back on those conversations as an ominous foreshadowing of the impending murder. If he had not killed that girl in the end, no one would ever bat an eyelid at that kind of conversation, not in today's world imo

My point is that as we have learned in the past, not everyone is joking when they say things like this. Sometimes it can show intention...especially if its all that they talk about and they won't drop it. I don't see the harm in reporting it or getting an opinion from another person to possibly spare the life of another.

 

[Will Graham]

Robbing banks and murdering someone are very different from each other, in my opinion. One crime leaves the fed's paying people back their money that was stolen, the incovenience for the cops who possibly have to make arrests, and some emotional scarring for those involved at the scene of the crime. Murder means someone's friend is gone that they'll never talk to again, a man/woman who will never see their family again or never be able to live their life to the fullest means...and quite possibly many years of mourning for those that they left behind. While they are both crimes, they are both on totally different levels. Money can be replaced. People cannot.

Well one could argue that in certain situations robberies can annihilate lives and ruin households, but that is not too relevant.

You all know its a joke between more than one person, obviously...and it is an opinion that is shared by more than one. However, did you talk about what car you were going to use to do this? Did you say what would be the best time to do this? Did you intricately plan this? No. This kid had more than the casual joke in mind. He was talking about the means to commit this crime...a crime that only he had in mind. ...and he mentioned it many times. That should have been an indicator. Whether you don't agree with that is your opinion.

You do not know the girl or what she was like, perhaps she was not too nice(not for a second saying she deserved what she got at all, no one deserves to be murdered). My point is maybe they all disliked her, even hated her. We did not plan it very intricately this is true, but neither did he. Luring someone to the woods and hitting them with a rock is pretty much as basic as a murder gets.

My point is that as we have learned in the past, not everyone is joking when they say things like this. Sometimes it can show intention...especially if its all that they talk about it and they won't drop it. I don't see the harm in reporting it or getting an opinion from another person to possibly spare the life of another.

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, it is impossible to separate a joke from honest to God intentions a lot of the time until something occurs. It does not say he was talking about it all the time, he mentioned it a few times and then the texts. Maybe she talked to him a lot or they saw her a lot, thus prompting these discussions of her.


EDIT: In regards to my final point there, the difficulty in separating these two things also makes reporting these things pointless. Who would you even report it too? What would you say?

 

[Donald Trump]

Robbing banks and murdering someone are very different from each other, in my opinion. One crime leaves the fed's paying people back their money that was stolen, the incovenience for the cops who possibly have to make arrests, and some emotional scarring for those involved at the scene of the crime. Murder means someone's friend is gone that they'll never talk to again, a man/woman who will never see their family again or never be able to live their life to the fullest means...and quite possibly many years of mourning for those that they left behind. While they are both crimes, they are both on totally different levels. Money can be replaced. People cannot.

You've missed the point entirely. His point was to show that he didn't take his friend's plan seriously. He was not comparing bank robbery to murder.

It's the fact that he said in Text "are you still offering that Breakfast etc etc" that line of text made me feel uncomfortable, he's pretty much telling his friend he's going to go do it.
If my friend confirmed to me in a text that they were going to do something like that (Even if it was a joke or even if I didn't know they were actually going to do it) I'd still sms them back asking if they were serious or if they were ok rather than "YEAH DUDE YOU"RE SO COOL GO KILL THAT BITCH"

I think most normal people know when a 'joke' is going too far.

I don't think any of my friends would be capable of murder, well at least not such a cold-blooded one. People generally know their friends quite well and would be able to judge whether or not they were capable or had any attention of doing so.
I remember this guy who was kind of my friend joked about raping some girl, in his defence she was very pretty, I didn't report him to the police. Nor did I think it was weird/creepy, in the context it wasn't. You can't say what you would or would not find troubling if you weren't in the same situation.

My point is that as we have learned in the past, not everyone is joking when they say things like this. Sometimes it can show intention...especially if its all that they talk about and they won't drop it. I don't see the harm in reporting it or getting an opinion from another person to possibly spare the life of another.

There was nothing to say he was obsessed by the idea. No evidence that he planned what he did with hsi friends. The only reference to plans is the ways he could have killed, none of which he used either.

 

[Squid]

I don't think any of my friends would be capable of murder, well at least not such a cold-blooded one. People generally know their friends quite well and would be able to judge whether or not they were capable or had any attention of doing so.
I remember this guy who was kind of my friend joked about raping some girl, in his defence she was very pretty, I didn't report him to the police. Nor did I think it was weird/creepy, in the context it wasn't. You can't say what you would or would not find troubling if you weren't in the same situation.

Well I wasn't saying the friends should have reported him. Obviously you cannot know for sure if someone's going to do the things they say they are. There's no proof.

What I was trying to get at was his friend weren't innocent in my eyes. They egged him on, cheered him and offered him free stuff (even though that doesn't have anything to do with him killing her I think) If my friend was sending me texts like that I would not egg them on.

Then the guy killed the girl and suddenly their tunes changed and they had no idea etc etc. But obviously they had some idea this could happen as they egged him on right until the end instead of asking if he was serious or if he was ok. (if that makes sense)

There's no way to know if someone is going to do the things they say, but if a 'joke' starts to feel a little serious (which is how I felt from his Texts in the article) then it's probably time to stop 'joking' and ask your friend what's going on.

 

[Donald Trump]

Well I wasn't saying the friends should have reported him. Obviously you cannot know for sure if someone's going to do the things they say they are. There's no proof.

What I was trying to get at was his friend weren't innocent in my eyes. They egged him on, cheered him and offered him free stuff (even though that doesn't have anything to do with him killing her I think) If my friend was sending me texts like that I would not egg them on.

Then the guy killed the girl and suddenly their tunes changed and they had no idea etc etc. But obviously they had some idea this could happen as they egged him on right until the end instead of asking if he was serious or if he was ok. (if that makes sense)

There's no way to know if someone is going to do the things they say, but if a 'joke' starts to feel a little serious (which is how I felt from his Texts in the article) then it's probably time to stop 'joking' and ask your friend what's going on.

How dare they change their tunes when their friend smacked his bitch up with a rock.
I don't think they egged him on or were serious. 'I would so buy you a breakfast' hardly seems serious to me. There's also the fact that they were texting about this. If you had any idea that your friend was going to murder someone you would not text them about it. At the very least it might make you an accomplice.
Jokes often go to far, but they don't often stop once they've only just crossed the line. I imagine most people have joked about things that would normally be no laughing matter. But you don't ask your friend if he really is going to nail one dead baby to ten trees.

 

[Rapture]

You've missed the point entirely. His point was to show that he didn't take his friend's plan seriously. He was not comparing bank robbery to murder.

I didn't Hal...my point was to show that talking of committing a robbery and talking of murdering someone are crimes that are on different levels. One is where something is stolen...and the other is where someone's life is taken. If someone disagrees and thinks that robbing a bank and murdering someone is on the same level...then I'm sorry you disagree with me/my opinion.

I don't think any of my friends would be capable of murder, well at least not such a cold-blooded one. People generally know their friends quite well and would be able to judge whether or not they were capable or had any attention of doing so.

I don't either. I have been trained to watch for people with suicidal ideation though so by habit, my ears perk a bit when I hear people talking in that sort of way (ways of harming themselves or others)...because no one I know talks that way...and when someone does its usually a not-so silent cry for help...or that they have intention of carrying whatever they've said out.

I remember this guy who was kind of my friend joked about raping some girl, in his defence she was very pretty, I didn't report him to the police. Nor did I think it was weird/creepy, in the context it wasn't. You can't say what you would or would not find troubling if you weren't in the same situation.

Like I've said...I don't joke like that and the people I associate with don't either. ...so someone saying something like that I wouldn't put off/take lightly. However, after making the "bet" they made about the friend owing him breakfast if he actually did it...If I got this text

Two days before the killing Davies texted the friend saying "Don't say anything but you may just owe me a breakfast."

I would've been considering he was actually going to do it.

There was nothing to say he was obsessed by the idea. No evidence that he planned what he did with hsi friends. The only reference to plans is the ways he could have killed, none of which he used either.

I think if someone mentions something of that intensity more than once then it is something that is more than a temporary fleeting thought in their mind...but maybe that's just me :dave:

 

[Will Graham]

You have judged everything by your standards, that because your friends to do not make these jokes then no one does. Just because it would be an out of context remark for your friends, does not make it so for all groups. Multiple members here have said they made somewhat similar jokes, should they be reported? Maybe betting a breakfast was a common thing for these guys to bet with i.e. Whoever gets more phone numbers tonight buys the other breakfast etc.

Like when Mr. Burns and Smithers make bets for a can of coke

 

[Donald Trump]

I didn't Hal...my point was to show that talking of committing a robbery and talking of murdering someone are crimes that are on different levels. One is where something is stolen...and the other is where someone's life is taken. If someone disagrees and thinks that robbing a bank and murdering someone is on the same level...then I'm sorry you disagree with me/my opinion.

Bank robberies generally require guns and are fairly dangerous. Unless you wouldn't report a friend who was planning to rob a bank, the difference between the two crimes is irrelevant.

I don't either. I have been trained to watch for people with suicidal ideation though so by habit, my ears perk a bit when I hear people talking in that sort of way (ways of harming themselves or others)...because no one I know talks that way...and when someone does its usually a not-so silent cry for help...or that they have intention of carrying whatever they've said out.

You've never heard a friend of yours threaten to kill someone?
I do it all the time, someone cuts me off when I'm driving and I yell and scream that I will kill that motherfucking cunt etc etc. When a friend of yours says that they are going to kill someone you don't take it seriously. But then again, I'm not a nurse I am a student.

That quote doesn't sound particularly serious to me. There's nothing aggressive about it, nor is there anything to suggest that he actually intends to murder her. If he had said that he was actually going to kill her then I might have taken it seriously if I were in his friends' position. He is alluding to what all his friends believed was a joke, there's nothing to suggest he was more serious then than he was before.

I think if someone mentions something of that intensity more than once then it is something that is more than a temporary fleeting thought in their mind...but maybe that's just me :dave:

It doesn't sound very intense to me.

 

[Tmoo]

I'm a bit unsettled by the indifference being shown. Even though it's something that happened far away from us, human life was still lost. Before you call me out, I know that a ton of life is lost every second of every day, but that doesn't make this any less tragic.

The case would have been just as bad had he used a gun, but getting her head smashed by a rock must have been much more painful than a bullet through the head, which makes it more sadistic an act, to me.

 

[Shu]

Maybe I'm just a jaded American, and maybe I just have had some pretty run down friends in my day, but this to me is nothing new. Yes, it's sad for the family, but there is only one real thing that is sick about this. They weren't fighting, they weren't having a domestic abuse which lead the boyfriend/husband to go overboard and do an oopsie, this was because he was trying to get a laugh, attention, or maybe even fulfill his dark desire. That's the only thing that remains unnerving.

I think whoever wrote the article up is just a tard.