Ultimecia, worst FF villain ever?

Yeah, despite the fact it's been pointed out by some people in this thread that Ultimecia DOES have a story and motive. It's not 100% clear at times, but hey this is a FF game, if you can understand all the plot, you're doing pretty well. I agree that maybe the story behind Ultimecia could have been better clarified (without spoon-feeding it to the player), as much as I love FFVIII the one problem I think it has in its uneven pacing in the storyline.

I'm not saying that Ultimecia is anything like as good as Sephiroth, Kefka or Kuja, but words like 'pathetic' and 'shitty' have been bandied about in this thread, and frankly that's a load of rubbish. In a way, I think it's nice that FFVIII doesn't have a clearly defined central villain.
 
I haven't played much FF games, but I can say that Ultimecia isn't the worst of all:
My brother played FFIX, and as far as I've seen, you get to know nothing about Necron. (my brother has never beaten that guy XD)

Also I like a bit humanish villians then total monsters, so Ultimecia scores high with me, although she is really easy.
 
And this is why VIII needs to be expanded through stories and movies and prequels and sequels like VII.
Facken Squeenix, we need more to go by, jeez! put down your pockey sticks and get to work!
 
She's not exactly what I'd consider a good villain, but she isn't the worst either. She did have a connection with SeeD and was the driving force the whole time.

I consider Necron the worst FF villain. He came literally out of nowhere, had absolutely no connection to the characters, and had absolutely nothing to do with the events of FF IX. Even Ze(ro)mus, the other pop out of nowhere villain, was the driving force behind FF IV the whole time and was introduced more than an hour before the ending...
 
Necron did have a slight connection.. Very slight though. It was with Kuja, he was some otherworld entity that had been observing Kuja's actions of destroying the Crystal and all.

He was convinced by Kuja's action that every being in Gaia wishes to return the world back to nothingness, and so, he works to it, attacking the party in a classic final battle.

..Or so, that whats i believe is the reasoning behind Necron..
 
Observation isn't really a connection though. Ultimecia and Zemus were at the helm of everything in FF VIII and IV, Necron just popped up out of nowhere after Kuja had driven the plot.
 
But the point is that Kuja is considered the main villain of FFIX anyway, not Necron. I think the debate here is about main villains, and Ultimecia is pretty much the main villain in FFVIII, as she is pulling the strings behind many of the events of the game. Comparing Necron to other main villains isn't really suited, as he is not the major villain of the game he is in; a bit like how Yu Yevon is not the main villain in FFX, even though it's the last enemy you face, most people look at Sin or Seymour as the villains in FFX to compare to the rest of the series.

There is a thread in the FFIX section debating Necron incidentally.
 
Is she a bad villain, yeah, not much story, but there is some at least...is she the worst, no? The worst has to be Vayne, he was just so boring...granted his reasoning was better and he was more visible....but the fact she was controlling people in the past was pretty cool, that is more than Fabio, er I mean Vayne could ever say
 
The fact that her name was introduced too late in the game, doesn't mean she wasn't there from the start. Even Edea says that "The sorceress who appeared in Galbadia, was in fact Ultimecia... Inside my shell".

And the fact that her reasons to do what she did, were not very well explained and only mentioned in a speech, doesn't mean she didn't had reasons(and good ones).


Everything is there, but if you don't have the patience to look for it(by paying attention to the story), you have to blame yourself then, not the character.

Saying that she didn't have motives, or that she was part of the story for only the second half of FFVIII, is a big lie, plain and simple.
 
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Ultimecia was introduced into the story when Seifer attacked in Timber.
She was using Edea's body as her ''shell '' and used Edea as her puppet.
That's quite far into the story, she was using the whole entire world as her little game. She effected so many of the main characters lifes.
She damaged Seifer's dream to become a knight. She damaged Selphie by destroying her home, she destoryed Rinoa by using her like a tool- like Edea. She put pressure on Headmaster Cid, which then put later pressure on Squall to take over his job, because of Ultimecia Squall might loose Rinoa. The one person who made him happy and break down that wall he created himself, because left him or just walked away from him.

Because Ultimecia hides herself in the future, it doesn't make her a cruddy Villain. Ultimecia just sits by her throne in the future and messes with everybody in Squall's time. Like they are little toys or something.
Just because she doesn't blow up a village, or slay a innocent Flower Girl doesn't mean she's weak on Villan power. Sometimes Mind control can be more life damaging than murder.

 
Nah, I don't consider her the worst, it's just that her mention comes up very late in the game and gives you NO time to form any emotions about her. I mean you go into the final battle and you don't really have any really hatred or dislike about her, because 3 steps before you step into her castle, you're told she's the new "Bad guy".

I think that's the only thing I don't like about her in FFVIII. You're fighting because you're told to do so more than the fact you've been hunting her down from the start and have a built up wrath against her. It just seems like I want to be more hostile and burnt up inside against the final boss I'm facing. In FFVIII, I really didn't care when I fought her.
 
I'm not sure how much there is to add already to the original post. i'd just have to agree that any good villain like any good hero has to be seen progressing through the story so as to have a complete picture. The fact that Ultimecia was just presented to the player at the very end was slightly disappointing. It is also true that Ultimecia has incredibly high standars to live up to considering the villans that have come and gone (FFVI's kefka Palazzo comes to mind). So consider this added to the facts we already know is it really that easy to make a good villain considering how high the bar was set? I think not, that is why Ultimecia is the villain she is.
 
I couldn't consider Ultimecia the worst, to be honest she wasn't in the game that much, so you don't find out a lot about them. The other supposedly 'villains' like Adel were more involved than Ultimecia. She was a good villain though nether the less.
 
to me I think ultimecia was less developed than most villians. but thats because VIII was meant to work more with the heavy three chracter, story, music. It wasn't about villians or action

which to me, is how it should be

ultimecia wasn't even really the villian she was a conflict, thats all, the love story is the main conflict not ultimecia

VIII was much better than any other ones (save for X kinda) because there wasn't any bullshit fights to save the world. more it was fights to save someone you care about. because theres not a person on this planet that would really fight for the whole of the population, they are really fighting for who they want to protect

whereas in like VII, cloud was just like "LETS KILL SEPHIROTH CAUSE HE'S EVIL"

and I don't wanna hear any aerith quotes here because if you play the original game, he was spurred on by her death, but that was not his total driving force like it is implied in AC.

so ultimecia isn't the best villian, but thats because she wan't meant to be
 
Oh come on now; there's always Leblanc e.e;;
That pretty much sums it really xD
Ultimecia doesn't get worse then that xD

~Tifa~
 
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