Ultimecia, worst FF villain ever?

About what Ultimecia was trying to do... If you use Scan on her final form, you will see that what she really want, is to absorb all time and space and become omnipotent.

Vent said:
And to connect to the topic, it seems that Ultimecia not only caused the Lunar Cry, and the slaughter of the SeeDs+who knows what else in her timeline, but she also caused Adel's Tyranny over Esthar 17 years prior to the start of the game. Not bad, not bad at all for the main villain.
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Not to mention that she took over the nation of Galbadia, destroyed Selphie's Garden with missiles, abandoned Rinoa in space to die, caused a war between the Gardens, etc.
Not bad at all.

Ultimecia is not a bad villain, people just need to pay attention to the story.
 
Uh...what the hell? The Lunar Cry has to do what Ultimecia how? It's stated point blank to be a natural occurrence in the FFVIII world.
 
You're both right. Ultimecia uses Rinoa to free Adel and then gets the lunar cry to bring Adel down onto the planet.
But who was it that built the Lunatic Pandora? Adel being controlled by Ultimecia. And the function of the lunatic pandora is to create a lunar cry.
Ultimecia had already told seifer to fly the lunatic pandora to Tear's point.
 
Yep, Ulitmecia did tell Seifer to go and bring on the Lunar Cry...and he complied. So, Ultimecia did cause the Lunar Cry in FF VIII.

Also, Adel did build the Lunatic Pandora to case the Crystal Piller, but I'm not sure that it was under Ultimecia's control. Rinoa and Ultimecia were supposed to be sent into Adel's mind by Ellone and immediately taken out to put them back into their original timelines. Ultimecia could have influenced the idea of building the Lunatic Pandora, or not. I still find the idea of Ultimecia and Rinoa both transported into Adel's working mind in the past and causing her insanity as just reason as to her wanting to rule the world. Then again we don't know how long Rinoa and ULtimecia were in Adel's mind in the past.

There's just too many "ifs" to have a concrete answer.
 
I'm pretty sure that it was Ultimecia controlling Adel. As we know that Adel was searching for ellone. Then when Ultimecia takes control of Edea she tries to find ellone again.
 
The most obvious block players have for seeing Ultimecia as a fitting antagonist is the fact that you don't physically see her until virtually the end of the game. On the other hand, she does permeate the story throughout.

Another point which might make Ultimecia less effective to some players, is the plausibility of the Rinoa-Squall relationship. This might seem somewhat tangential, but it is actually central to seeing Ultimecia as the final hurdle.

The pattern of literary fiction demands that the climax of the story involve the main character facing down a major internal struggle as expressed by an external force. In other words, a good villain must be the epitome of the main character's worst internal fears; for this reason, some critics identify the antagonist as the "shadow of the hero", being both the same, but the opposite.

The villain is villainous not just for wanton destruction (at least outside of cheesy action/adventure plots). He or she represents what the main character must overcome within himself, whatever evils he has inside.

In a conventional sense, Seifer would be the most logical and predictable end-boss. All the external factors are there: there's tension with Squall from the get-go, and he quite obviously becomes part of the opposition.

He also quite neatly fits the criteria of being the so called "shadow of the hero." He is very similar to Squall in many respects. Seifer essentially represents who Squall might have been had he taken a different turn. And later on, he persists as Squall's dark twin, when Squall becomes Rinoa's knight in opposition to Seifer and Ultimecia's knight. However, it is that very knight-sorceress aspect which changes the paradigm entirely.

As an introvert, Squall's fears are sparsely expressed, but they come out full force after the end of Disc Two, when Rinoa goes unconscious. Squall's basic fear is one of abandonment, that letting others in also lets in the potential for pain. As the relationship between Squall and Rinoa develops, we see his fear for general abandonment eventually develop into a worse fear of abandonment and loss of Rinoa in particular. While the delay in introducing Ultimecia is likely the major cause of players' annoyance, the fact that she is introduced along with the introduction of Squall's newest fear is not a coincidence.

Eventually we are able to see Squall come to understand his inner anguish in the events of Disc Three, his internal fears causing him to change his character and his values. Particular scenes of character development: carrying Rinoa across Horizon Bridge, jumping out into space, the "Eyes on Me" sequence, saving Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial, and the field of flowers promise.

With Squall shifting his character, his fears, and his values, the villain also changes. As mentioned before, his worst fear has now become fearing the loss of Rinoa.

Here is where it is vital for the player to have believed in the relationship between Squall and Rinoa, believed in his character development.

In becoming Rinoa's knight in the promise scene, he tells her rather explicitly that he will give anything for her; and at that juncture is where it becomes cemented that Ultimecia and only Ultimecia could be the main villain. Ultimecia most threatens Squall's personal fears of taking Rinoa away. Towards the end of Disc Three when Seifer takes Rinoa and gives her to Adel, Squall is able to retrieve her - he knows he can fight. But at the beginning of Disc Two, when Ultimecia possesses Rinoa, he is utterly helpless.

Most importantly, however, is that Ultimecia is Rinoa's "shadow." In the promise scene at the orphanage, Rinoa reveals her deepest fear - that the world will turn against her, that she will become the hated sorceress. If one can believe in Squall's promise to be Rinoa's knight and can also accept the theme of love which runs through the game, it is evident that the main reason for Ultimecia to be Squall's worst enemy, is because she is Rinoa's worst enemy. Although Squall's shadow is technically Seifer, in giving himself to Rinoa as her knight, her fears are now of greater urgency.

As such, those who don't buy the development of Squall and Rinoa's love will probably not buy Ultimecia as a suitable villain. Nor will those who do not see the character development of Squall and his shift in values be able to accept Ultimecia as the final villain.

Whereas other Final Fantasy games incorporate elements of love, only in FFVIII does the theme of love actually have the power to subvert the original plot and change the identity of the main conflict.
 
She was just fricking insane thats all and she was demented... what villain can kill her...... SEPHIROTH can boi!!! he the only one as demented and insane as her



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Please put more effort in your post. And mentioning Sephiroth is highly unnecessary. This thread is about how you feel about Ultimecia as a villian.
 
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I really didn't have a problem with her.
Although i would have loved more story on her and maybe even more hints throughout the game that a greater power was at work then the current Villain.
On my first play though and i was actually more disapointed with the sudden appearance of Necron in Final Fantasy 9, We seemed a lot more random then Ultimecia.
 
I don't like Ultimecia to be honest, I found her to rather be boring and dull.

When I compare her to other FF villains like Seph, Kefka and Kuja and - who are all actually interesting and cool - she isn't really all that great and for that reason she is one of the worst villains in the series imo.
 
I DONT WANNA USE A GODDAM SMILIE AND U CANT MAKE ME............ULTIMACIA DOESNT EVEN MAKE GOOD WRESTLER AND THATS THE BIGGEST LET DOWN OF ALL WHEN YOUR IN THE NEED FOR 7 FOOT CHICKS TO BEAT UP ONLY ADEL SEEMS TO FIT THE NEED, I THINK SHE WAS AN ALRIGHT FINAL BOSS I MEAN SHE KEPT COMING BACK FOR MORE AND HAVE TO GIVE POINTS FOR SUCH DTERMINATION....HEY DID ANYONE EVER DO THE RENZOKUKEN WITHOUT THE GAUGE IN THIS BATTLE PRETTY HARD SHIT
 
ultimacia is the worst villain to me because she is ugly i mean if u look at most games have nice looking people as the boss and they not easy to beat but here....she is not one of them.and why do she have two faces thats not right.
 
I loved Ultimecia. I thought she looked so wicked. Don't get me wrong... I love Sephiroth and all, but once you do all the sidequest and what not. He was somewhat of a push over. Ultimecia was definitely no push over. She was one of the hardest final boss in any of the games I have played. I wish they would have introduced her a little earlier in the game though.
 
saxton1138 said:
i dont think shes the worst (that honor goes to exdeath of FFV fame) she does appear a bit too late to make much of an impact
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Exdeath may have been a Snidely Whiplash villian and his biggest plot twist was the revelation that he was... an evil tree, but at least he was a constant adversary and posed an ever-present threat to the protagonist. Ultimecia only has several beautiful musical themes going for her. She only appears at the last minutes of the game before... merging with a lion. The only way Ultimecia could be an interesting villian if she was, in fact, Rinoa's future, but most fans seem to poo-poo that theory.
 
I agree Ultimacia wasn't much of a villain due to the fact that she had not much of a reason to be bad, she just wanted to possess people...why couldn't the dumb ass bitch just use herself and come into the past in her own body which is obviously more powerful that some past witches with lower power

Plus she's a woman :wacky:
 
Necron was worse. In FFIX. Mainly because he isn't introduced until like 5 minutes before you have to beat him. That just sucks.
 
Ultimecia was kind of a silly villian, but it was still a good and hardcore battle at the end. I thought her final form was abit too "overthetop" though however, and like others I thought that final fight; SeeD versus this reigning sorceress this is pretty Epic nice music score at the end too. :) So no I don't think Ultimecia was even close to being one of the worst final bosses.
 
Krysta said:
Necron was worse. In FFIX. Mainly because he isn't introduced until like 5 minutes before you have to beat him. That just sucks.
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Read the thread in the FFIX section on Necron, and you'll see that Necron isn't necessarily just chucked in at the end, but whose presence is hinted at during the game. That's a debate for that thread admittedly.
 
I guess I just missed that part then. I didn't play it as often as VIII actually.
Only finished it 2 or 3 times. And the last time was a long time ago.

I agree with Celestial on the point that the Ultimecia battle had one of the best music in the game. I have the music myself and I often find myself playing final fantasy music during studies or whatever and stopping everytime I hear that one just so I can appreciate it more.
 
I agree that Ultamecia just seemed like some afterthought. She was not fleshed out much at all and, what we did find out, came far too late for the player to make any kind of bond with her. She was just this new nemesis who was the true architect of the game. Her design was smexy, though.

With regards to Necron, he was worse in the sense that he literally came at the last second, however, you still understood a lot of what he was about. The writers fleshed him out within the few moments of him explaining his purpose/goals. He could hardly show up, during the game, if he was only to appear after the shattering of the crystal. I never caught on to these hints but I don't think his sudden appearence was too bad because I think it was justified enough.
 
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