To all men: What do you actually think of women?

[Leon Kang]

Okay, the way I see it, women are as human as men. You see, the misconception occurs when men disregard what women have been through since the beginning of our species.

Personally, I treat women by two different conditions. How I would want to be treated, and how they want to be treated. Most of the time, it's either one are the other. Their are women that wanna be treated fairly and they're are others that don't give a damn. As not only men, but as the human race, we must understand that not one person on this planet isn't the same. So, treating everyone the same is easier said than done. Just because I my not like some one doesn't mean do don't have to respect them. But that doesn't apply to everyone...

Now, there are some women out here that can care less about anyone but themselves. Where I from, some of the women uses there kids just to make a living. And by that I mean, have babies than take the kids away from there father and put the Father on child support. And I'm not kidding. Don't be stupid and think everyone in the world would treat others so innocently...

 

[StrifeC]

It always seems that men want woman only for sex. And I believe thats wrong. I'm one of those old fashioned men I guess. I like to open doors for my girlfriend, pay for everything when we go out and even sit through the occasional chick flick.

I do all that because woman are on the same level as men in my book. I even see them better in alot of things. There is no way I could carry a child for nine months and then go through child birth. Then there is the period problem they go through lol. I would never dream of bleeding for a week and be ok with it.

Woman are to be respected and treated like queens in my book. I like to take the best care of the woman I love because then she takes the best care of me when I need it.

If any of that makes sense then you see what I mean.

 

[Bambi]

Am I allowed to post in here being female an all....?

Ah well I will anyway....

It's true that we seem attracted to the wankers....I don't know why. I was with an arsehole for 3 years.
Then after him another arse who altho wasn't as bad as the previous was still abit of a pillock

More recently, I started seeing a really nice guy, got freaked out by it and dumped him

 

[RioDragon]

I think of women as equal to, and sometimes better than myself. I joke around with them once in awhile, but I never make them do something for me or demoralize them... In fact, quite the opposite, if they need help, I do what I can for them, which also goes for my fellow man, if they would accept my assistance...

 

[Dean Winchester]

Yes, but the eternal problem is that most women prefer assholes, so that kills some of the points. They want to be treated as equal yet they choose people who treats them like dirt?

As for me, I would never harm a woman, because how could I harm someone who gives life to another human being? We must admit, without women the human race would be doomed to disappear.

 

[RioDragon]

*nods* Yeah, I noticed that as well. xD

Only one girl ever gave me a chance when it came to a relationship... But she asked me out 3 times and HER FAMILY loved me (and they never liked ANY of her other boyfriends), so I must have done something right.

However, I'm single again. xD

There's a girl that I love that loves me back, but she's afraid that dating me would make her seem like a slut because she's mostly just dated girls. Her main problem is just that she doesn't know if she likes guys or girls more.

 

[Erythritol]

I've read through most of this...interesting, very interesting. Sort of sexist, but okay. A lot of the statements that have been made are really gross generalizations.

I honestly think a lot of the reasons for why males and females act differently are social constructions and expectations. We grow up. Girls play with Barbie and little dolls, and boys play with trucks and building blocks (for the most part). Girls are taught to be loving and nuturing. They're taught to care about looks. Little girls want to be beautiful princesses or play mommy. How can you be surprised that, with these sorts of social cues, that they grow up to be "more nuturing" or superficial? It seems as though from birth they learn that the way to get people to like you is to be beautiful and fashionable. I think society is getting better, but it's still an issue.

When I go on dates, I don't expect him to pay for me. Why should he? It's polite to offer, yes, but because he has a penis he should buy me everything? Um...no. That's absurd. We split it 50/50.

I also don't like the stereotype of "YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A WOMAN!!111" It's sort of ridiculous. Women aren't weak and helpless little creatures. If a girl slaps you and starts beating on you, you shouldn't have to just stand there and take it. That doesn't mean you should punch her in the ovaries full force, but the idea that you can never hit a woman just enforces the stereotype of women as weak and helpless. I've never needed someone to step in and defend me. I can defend myself. If a guy insults me, I don't stand there and weep. I usually have something much wittier to say, and he's at a total loss. I remember one guy used to harass me all the time and just would not leave me alone. I finally slammed my locker against his head. I'm not some wilting little feminine flower who swoons at the sight of violence and blood. I don't like to be thought of as such. If women ran the world, it wouldn't be some sunshine rainbow world; wars would still exist. Look at Elizabeth I: defeat of the Spanish Armada anyone?

I think it's annoying as shit that sexist still exists. Women are still discriminated in the workplace and generally paid much less than men for the same work. I'm just as smart as a man; anyone who says differently is an ignorant ass. If any guy tried to disrespect me or use me for sex, he would have another thing coming.

Sadly, society and the media just reinforce the idea of women as sex objects and airheads. It's what little girls grow up seeing and idolizing. Girls have people like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton or Disney Princesses as role models, while boys are taught that they can be president. Then when they grow up, there are all these ridiculous double standards. Boys aren't supposed to cry, but now it's so sweet and sensitive if they do. Oh but god FORBID a woman is aggressive or angry. If a woman is angry, she's either a) a crazy bitch or b) on her period. I've been told SO many times that I have a penis or that I'm a man or that I have sand in my vagina because I'm aggressive. But in men, it's perfectly acceptable. Pffft.

 

[Rockman X]

Sadly, society and the media just reinforce the idea of women as sex objects and airheads.

I agree with you on everything but that one part about airheads. From everything I see nowadays, from TV shows to movies to commercials, men are being portrayed as dumb, brutish morons subjecting to the woman's will because she's the only smart one around. It seems we're moving from one extreme to the other.

Now as for what I think of women, honestly I prefer them to men as friends and people to converse with. I get along with women better and they generally seem to be less shallow.

 

[AddleBoy]

I also don't like the stereotype of "YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A WOMAN!!111" It's sort of ridiculous. Women aren't weak and helpless little creatures. If a girl slaps you and starts beating on you, you shouldn't have to just stand there and take it. That doesn't mean you should punch her in the ovaries full force, but the idea that you can never hit a woman just enforces the stereotype of women as weak and helpless. I've never needed someone to step in and defend me. I can defend myself. If a guy insults me, I don't stand there and weep. I usually have something much wittier to say, and he's at a total loss. I remember one guy used to harass me all the time and just would not leave me alone. I finally slammed my locker against his head. I'm not some wilting little feminine flower who swoons at the sight of violence and blood. I don't like to be thought of as such. If women ran the world, it wouldn't be some sunshine rainbow world; wars would still exist. Look at Elizabeth I: defeat of the Spanish Armada anyone?

Frankly, I like a woman who can kick my ass, but that's a different topic all together.

I know that all women aren't weak and frail, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable with the idea of me every seriously hitting a woman. Even if they are hitting me. The most I would do is get them to stop by trying to pin them down, but that's probably it. Thankfully, I have never been put in a situation where one would have to even think about doing that.

 

[Mitsuki]

I also don't like the stereotype of "YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A WOMAN!!111" It's sort of ridiculous. Women aren't weak and helpless little creatures.

Heh, actually I'm not so sure about that. I see it more of a good moral principles and a code of conduct on men's part (to those whom applies to anyway) more than anything. I know quite a few men in my life that would never ever hit a girl, even if they're facing bulging, muscular dykes. It's just not in their nature to hit a woman - not because they view them as weak, but because they just don't want to and don't have the heart to do it. They were raised that way and it just sorta sticks to them throughout their life.

Now, I also know many men who would hit women because they view them as weak and relish in that fact. They're just assholes like that. Or some men would hit women who fights back (as they are evidently not weak), but some men don't like that, so they feel that they must teach those women a lesson. I suppose you could say it has to do more with their ego and manliness being crushed.

So you see, the situation varies. The statement, "You should never hit a woman at all" isn't ridiculous or stereotypical that would give off a bad connotation - in my opinion anyway.

In all honesty, I admire those men who has that way of thinking. I don't really care what their reason behind it is - whether they think women as weak or not...it doesn't matter. The thought is what counts in my eyes.

I do also admire women who can stand up for themselves. Yes, fight back if you are getting beat up by a jackass. The question is, who will win that battle? In most cases, men do. And I suppose that's where the generalization starts...that women are generally weaker than men in most cases. Truth? Oh yeah, of course. Can't really deny that, as much as I would love to say that men are the weaker sexes. (Har har har, I'm jesting) And so, some have the heart to take that into consideration, reason being why they refuse to hit women. Can't say I have any objections at all. And no, this is not me being sexist, but merely stating the truth from experience.

 

[OmniscientOnus]

In the past few years, more so in the past year, my view on women has changed almost completely. I used to view women as equals, and when I wanted a girl to notice me, I always tried to be very nice and lenient. I realize now that I was essentially bending myself to fit her every whim. I know now that that is the worst thing a man can do.

I've learned in this past year that men and women are NOT equal. Not to say that one is superior to the other, but simply that they are very different creatures. For those who don't like long posts, I suggest you skip this now. However, should you choose to stick around, I think you may find some very interesting, and helpful, words.

Women are the caretakers of the world. They bear children, and then they care for them. In order to be a reliable, effective, caretaker, a women must sacrifice the ability to use logic over emotions. A person who relies heavily on reason is not as well suited for feeling empathy and sympathy, which are core ideals when raising a child, whereas a person who relies on emotions to guide them know and understand how to help a person throughout their difficult periods in life. But, relying on emotions often makes decision making a shaky ability at best. It's hard to determine what is right for one's self and others based on emotions.

Men serve the exact opposite role. Men are the decision makers. We use logic and reasoning to come to the best possible solution. This makes us fairly useless when it comes to raising a child, but very effective at running a family. When a child scrapes his/her knee for instance, a woman will come running to soothe the child. A man, on the other hand, will tell the child to stiffen up and to "take it like a man". Both methods apply to real life. Each person needs to be soothed emotionally, but also needs to learn to toughen up because life, frankly, is hard.

It's a bit of a contradiction albeit, that either is more suited to raise a child. Both methods are required for properly raising a child. But, if one parent had to leave the scene, for all intensive purposes, it would be better if the father left. That's a totally different subject though.

This basic concept applies to more than just raising a child though. It is the core foundation of a relationship.

Simply put, men are there to make the tough decision through means of logic and reasoning. They will contemplate what is best for the group, make the decision, and continue moving forward.

Women are there to care for the men and children, and to provide emotional support.

This is where relationships come in. A woman needs to find a man who is willing to take charge and make decisions. A man, on the other hand, needs a woman who can care for him, and comfort.

This is why women fall for the "bad boys". Typically speaking, in this day and age, the "bad boys", or assholes, or whatever you prefer to call them, are the ones out there making decisions and sticking by them. They are not trying to cater to a woman's needs, but instead are showing signs that they are capable of guiding a family in the right directions. They show the signs of strength that a woman requires. The "good guys", or the ones putting women on a pedestal to show them that they care, are showing signs of weakness. In this case, a man's personality comes in second place to his ability to make decisions that will guide the family later on in life.

Here is how everything is supposed to work out:

A man guides the family. He will take the information he knows about the world, his wife, and his kids, filter it through a logical thought process, and come to a conclusion as to which route will best serve the group as a whole. His logic, however, makes him inferior to properly care for (not about) others.

A woman cares for the family. She will comfort her husband and her children, in the way that best serves each individual member. Her emotions, however, makes her inferior to properly make, and feel confident in, decisions on how to best serve the group as a whole.

A woman, because of this programming, will seek out the men that she feels can best serve this function and vice-versa.

And this is where my feeling on girls (the original topic of this thread) comes in.

I now know that by always making a women the center of my world was the wrong way of going about things. It is true that I (and all men for that case) need to care about our women, and we need to take into account their feelings on all matters. However, we cannot let their feelings be our only guide. We need to filter those emotions with logic, and come to a conclusion that will best serve both of our needs. We as men need to take control of the situation.

I feel that women play a vital role in our lives (for those of us that are heterosexual at least) and us men need to understand that. They are not just objects of lust and desire, but physical beings who need to be cared for and looked after. We need to buckle down and make the first move. We need to be unmoving stones in the river of life as is crashes down on us. Women are our other halves. They fulfill everything that is missing in us, and we, in turn, fulfill what is missing in them. This makes the whole concept of marriage very real. Two halves shall become one whole.

I understand know that men and women can be different, yet equal. A man can take a job, and provide for his family, and a woman can stay at home, and care for the household, without either party being more important than the other. We, as a society, need to throw away our current ideas of equality and change them to fit reality.

Women, I implore you to carefully review this idea. It is ok for men to go to work while you stay home and care for the house and those in it. This does not make you less important than us, or less qualified than us. It is simply a way for all members to play to their natural strengths for the good of all those involved.

There are problems arising with these ideas however. In today's day it is becoming increasingly difficult to raise a family on one person's income. I believe this has a lot to do with women trying to force themselves into the workplace because they did not feel equal (probably because more and more of you were falling for the "bad boys" who treated you like shit, and therefore you started feeling as though your role was not being viewed as just as important as a man's) to men. Granted, it was the men who made you feel like this, so neither party is taking all the blame. Because more and more women (and therefore more people in general) were working, the average income had to come down to compensate. Also, with all of the extra money going out into the economy, the rich people needed to find a way to get it back, and they did so by raising the prices of goods and services.

We can get it to change though. Women, come home and care for your house and those in it. Your man is just not qualified for this job. We need you there. Men, go to work and do what you do best: provide. Your just not as good at caring for your children as you think you are. Yes, both parties have done an amazing job at reversing their roles. Men have become very good at raising children, and women have become very successful in the workplace. This does not mean it is the best way however. The economy is going down the drains (although this is far from being the only reason) because we have tried to switch our roles. It's coming down to the point where a lot of men and women are trying to make it on their own, to do both people's roles. The fact is, it just wasn't meant to work like that.

Men and women both serve equally important roles in this life. Both need the other in order to make it. Lets throw away this idea that bringing home money is more important than calming a crying baby, and throw away the idea that a women needs to prove to the world that she can turn a bolt , or file paperwork (or whatever) just as good as any man. The fact that we can do each other's job is not important. We proved that we can, now can we please go back to doing what we are each best at? Women, I concede, you can turn a bolt just as well as I can. However, I can calm a crying baby just as well as you. But which do you feel more comfortable doing?

Frankly I'm getting a little nervous that I'm trying going to end up trying to turn the baby's bolt, and things are going to go very, very bad.

 

[AngofWolf]

I view women as people. As they should be viewed. They are not seperate from men in any way to me. Well they are as women have their own bodies and personalities, but I don't let the simple fact that they are women affect how I treat them in the long run.

Granted I will defiantely be more lenient and nice to a woman at first offense than a man, I can't help it. But that doesn't mean I am not going to kick a bitch out of my house if I need to.

As far as hitting women and being polite to them. Honestly I have no problem being polite to a woman, or women in general. But most of them time I treat them like anyone else. I don't really pull out chairs or hold doors. I do sometimes, but its really a rarity. Why? Because if women want to be equal I feel they should be equal in every contraint.

For this reason I have no problem hitting a woman. Now I am not talking about sitting there and being them till they are bloody, I am talking about wrestling around and hitting them just as friends do joking around (and I would never hit a woman unless I knew she was okay with me doing it or was putting my life or my family's lives in danger, same with a guy really). I still hurt them alittle, but its not on purpose, its just cause I am a little rough. I don't fight with guys at all interestingly enough. I would but my guy friends don't really play fight anymore.

 

[Erythritol]

In the past few years, more so in the past year, my view on women has changed almost completely. I used to view women as equals, and when I wanted a girl to notice me, I always tried to be very nice and lenient. I realize now that I was essentially bending myself to fit her every whim. I know now that that is the worst thing a man can do.

I've learned in this past year that men and women are NOT equal. Not to say that one is superior to the other, but simply that they are very different creatures. For those who don't like long posts, I suggest you skip this now. However, should you choose to stick around, I think you may find some very interesting, and helpful, words.

Women are the caretakers of the world. They bear children, and then they care for them. In order to be a reliable, effective, caretaker, a women must sacrifice the ability to use logic over emotions. A person who relies heavily on reason is not as well suited for feeling empathy and sympathy, which are core ideals when raising a child, whereas a person who relies on emotions to guide them know and understand how to help a person throughout their difficult periods in life. But, relying on emotions often makes decision making a shaky ability at best. It's hard to determine what is right for one's self and others based on emotions.

Men serve the exact opposite role. Men are the decision makers. We use logic and reasoning to come to the best possible solution. This makes us fairly useless when it comes to raising a child, but very effective at running a family. When a child scrapes his/her knee for instance, a woman will come running to soothe the child. A man, on the other hand, will tell the child to stiffen up and to "take it like a man". Both methods apply to real life. Each person needs to be soothed emotionally, but also needs to learn to toughen up because life, frankly, is hard.

It's a bit of a contradiction albeit, that either is more suited to raise a child. Both methods are required for properly raising a child. But, if one parent had to leave the scene, for all intensive purposes, it would be better if the father left. That's a totally different subject though.

This basic concept applies to more than just raising a child though. It is the core foundation of a relationship.

Simply put, men are there to make the tough decision through means of logic and reasoning. They will contemplate what is best for the group, make the decision, and continue moving forward.

Women are there to care for the men and children, and to provide emotional support.

This is where relationships come in. A woman needs to find a man who is willing to take charge and make decisions. A man, on the other hand, needs a woman who can care for him, and comfort.

This is why women fall for the "bad boys". Typically speaking, in this day and age, the "bad boys", or assholes, or whatever you prefer to call them, are the ones out there making decisions and sticking by them. They are not trying to cater to a woman's needs, but instead are showing signs that they are capable of guiding a family in the right directions. They show the signs of strength that a woman requires. The "good guys", or the ones putting women on a pedestal to show them that they care, are showing signs of weakness. In this case, a man's personality comes in second place to his ability to make decisions that will guide the family later on in life.

Here is how everything is supposed to work out:

A man guides the family. He will take the information he knows about the world, his wife, and his kids, filter it through a logical thought process, and come to a conclusion as to which route will best serve the group as a whole. His logic, however, makes him inferior to properly care for (not about) others.

A woman cares for the family. She will comfort her husband and her children, in the way that best serves each individual member. Her emotions, however, makes her inferior to properly make, and feel confident in, decisions on how to best serve the group as a whole.

A woman, because of this programming, will seek out the men that she feels can best serve this function and vice-versa.

And this is where my feeling on girls (the original topic of this thread) comes in.

I now know that by always making a women the center of my world was the wrong way of going about things. It is true that I (and all men for that case) need to care about our women, and we need to take into account their feelings on all matters. However, we cannot let their feelings be our only guide. We need to filter those emotions with logic, and come to a conclusion that will best serve both of our needs. We as men need to take control of the situation.

I feel that women play a vital role in our lives (for those of us that are heterosexual at least) and us men need to understand that. They are not just objects of lust and desire, but physical beings who need to be cared for and looked after. We need to buckle down and make the first move. We need to be unmoving stones in the river of life as is crashes down on us. Women are our other halves. They fulfill everything that is missing in us, and we, in turn, fulfill what is missing in them. This makes the whole concept of marriage very real. Two halves shall become one whole.

I understand know that men and women can be different, yet equal. A man can take a job, and provide for his family, and a woman can stay at home, and care for the household, without either party being more important than the other. We, as a society, need to throw away our current ideas of equality and change them to fit reality.

Women, I implore you to carefully review this idea. It is ok for men to go to work while you stay home and care for the house and those in it. This does not make you less important than us, or less qualified than us. It is simply a way for all members to play to their natural strengths for the good of all those involved.

There are problems arising with these ideas however. In today's day it is becoming increasingly difficult to raise a family on one person's income. I believe this has a lot to do with women trying to force themselves into the workplace because they did not feel equal (probably because more and more of you were falling for the "bad boys" who treated you like shit, and therefore you started feeling as though your role was not being viewed as just as important as a man's) to men. Granted, it was the men who made you feel like this, so neither party is taking all the blame. Because more and more women (and therefore more people in general) were working, the average income had to come down to compensate. Also, with all of the extra money going out into the economy, the rich people needed to find a way to get it back, and they did so by raising the prices of goods and services.

We can get it to change though. Women, come home and care for your house and those in it. Your man is just not qualified for this job. We need you there. Men, go to work and do what you do best: provide. Your just not as good at caring for your children as you think you are. Yes, both parties have done an amazing job at reversing their roles. Men have become very good at raising children, and women have become very successful in the workplace. This does not mean it is the best way however. The economy is going down the drains (although this is far from being the only reason) because we have tried to switch our roles. It's coming down to the point where a lot of men and women are trying to make it on their own, to do both people's roles. The fact is, it just wasn't meant to work like that.

Men and women both serve equally important roles in this life. Both need the other in order to make it. Lets throw away this idea that bringing home money is more important than calming a crying baby, and throw away the idea that a women needs to prove to the world that she can turn a bolt , or file paperwork (or whatever) just as good as any man. The fact that we can do each other's job is not important. We proved that we can, now can we please go back to doing what we are each best at? Women, I concede, you can turn a bolt just as well as I can. However, I can calm a crying baby just as well as you. But which do you feel more comfortable doing?

Frankly I'm getting a little nervous that I'm trying going to end up trying to turn the baby's bolt, and things are going to go very, very bad.

......Wow. Just..............wow. So, the 1950s called, they want their pigheaded views on gender roles back.

Your thinly veiled misogyny is rather sickening. Your little assumptions on women have a pretty strong basis in outdated psychology and stereotypes, and are, quite frankly, really fucking insulting.

I'm a woman, and I'd rather cut off my own foot than have a child or be a housewife. Does that make me a man? Or should I just shut my mouth and get back in the kitchen? I guess I'm just "forcing" myself into college where I don't really belong....oh wait, that's right...I get all As in my classes. Oh, surprise, and my major isn't home ec either! Imagine that! It's Government and International Affairs. I can't cook for shit, I hate babies, and I've never done dishes, but I can have a lengthy discussion with you about the political state of affairs in the middle east. Or hell, let's talk about the political and military lessons of World War II. Jesus, I guess I'm just shattering your perfectly little constructed gender roles for women all over the place. Tear.

Oh, the economy is going down the drain? Really? EEGADS, it must be the women in the economy! Silly women pretending like they should be in the workplace. Oh wait that's right....the economy is terrible because of the billion dollar war going on and the crashing housing market. Oh yeah, and the European market is booming, thus the dollar is worth shit. Fyi, women work in Europe. And look at their economy. Nice try though.

Women intially prefer assholes because everyone goes through that "rebellious" stage when they're young. If a woman STILL prefers assholes when she is older, it's because she has a low self-esteem.

Tell me...you make assumptions based on gender, do you make assumptions based on race too? Because that's, well, basically the same thing. Also, maybe the girls didn't notice you because you're a misogynistic sexist jackass? Just a thought.

 

[RioDragon]

My rule is not only 'never hit a woman' it's more of, 'never hit a person', PERIOD! I don't look for trouble, and I know that the people that try to treat me badly or abuse me are just having a hard time in life currently.

And it only adds fuel to an already bad fire if you insult them or fight back. That, and I'm not particularly partial to just keeping women around me happy by doing stuff for them, I do that with my guy friends as well, because I really just want to do what I feel is right.

As for which gender would make better friends... I would have to say girls... Because, typically, they aren't quite as perverted in conversation. Talking to most guys is like a battle of 'Are you a virgin?', 'What guy f****ed which girl?', 'What size boobs are the best', and other crap like that...

I hate talking about that crap because there is more to life than sex... Girls pretty much talk about anything that's on their minds, which I like better than one thing that's on guys' minds.

 

[Mitsuki]

Interesting, OmniscientOnus...however, I can't help but disagree with you. You say that it is not the best way when we tried "switching roles", but clearly, you based that solely for those who are actually married (or living together) with kids. Well, what about those women who doesn't have a man in their lives, yet have a handful of children to raise all by themselves? Do you expect them to just stay at home and soothe the crying babies...?

Women have to work, period. They can work for any reason they want, whether it be because they want to feel independent, they need the money, or they have nothing better to do anyway. (And please don't lecture me about economy and your viewpoints regarding the whole matter. It is ridiculous to say that women shouldn't belong in the workplace because of that reason...or any other reason, for that matter). There comes a time in life (usually around the age of 18) that women will realize it is important to earn money for themselves. Women save up for their future, likewise with men. It is necessary, I can guarantee you that.

I am a mother and a wife who works a full-time job. When I decided to work, the whole "equality" did not even come across to mind. I worked because we are in dire need of extra income, plain and simple. I cannot just stay home and expect some sort of miracle to happen. What you don't realize, is that I can very well do both task without problem - care for my daughter and work at the same time every single day. (And still manage to do the housework as well). Those who know me will understand what I mean by this.

You say we need to throw away our ideas about equality and fit them to change reality. Um, newsflash...this IS reality. Things have changed and they are not the same as many, many years before. Granted, some women chose to stay home because that is what they wish. Okay, great for them. But you cannot say that all women should do the same. That in itself, is just plain insulting and absurd. This has nothing to do with equality. I could care less about that. This is more about surviving. And that is why we all go to work - both men and women.

Blah, this topic is getting a bit broader and broader...

I may post more later regarding the other matters, but for now, I want to attend my daughter's concert in about an hour. (And please don't tell me to stay home...her concert is rather important to me. =) As much as I would like to stay home and debate with you, I really must go. ) Clearly, I'm teasing here. xD

 

[Bei Bei]

Wow OmniscientOnus, I actually find your post very biased.

I understand know that men and women can be different, yet equal. A man can take a job, and provide for his family, and a woman can stay at home, and care for the household, without either party being more important than the other. We, as a society, need to throw away our current ideas of equality and change them to fit reality.

Women, I implore you to carefully review this idea. It is ok for men to go to work while you stay home and care for the house and those in it. This does not make you less important than us, or less qualified than us. It is simply a way for all members to play to their natural strengths for the good of all those involved.

What about if you reverse the roles? Do you think that only the men are capable of jobs and can't handles a stay at home one, and that females are not capable of jobs, and are only good at stay at home ones?

You don't seem to put a very good argument in your post at all and you make it sound like in a family woman need the men in order to survive. Have you never thought about how many families have only 1 dad or 1 mom and do just fine? I mean your post isn't really what you think of women, it's more of what you think the role of a women to be which I think is very sexist to begin with, sort of demeaning actually. For me holding 2 jobs and going to school, your whole post makes me seem like I shouldn't be worth that much. I mean I'm 21, I own my own house (yes I own an actual house) I own my own car, I pay for my own school without the help of the bank or my parents. What makes you think I need a man to help me with a family. If I can do that all by myself, I see handling a family by myself no different. I don't need any support from any guy, and I don't need to be protected.

No one should decide what role a women should have except for themselves. If a women doesn't want to be a stay at home mom, she doesn't have to be, and your post is kinda saying that is what she's best at and what she would do. This all goes to the roles of men too, I see nothing wrong if a man wants to be a stay at home dad, because if you have never noticed, stay at home jobs shouldn't be limited to one person, it should be the responsibility of both the man and the woman.

I view women as people. As they should be viewed. They are not seperate from men in any way to me. Well they are as women have their own bodies and personalities, but I don't let the simple fact that they are women affect how I treat them in the long run.

Actually, I'm sure most women would love to be viewed like that. I don't want to be viewed differently because I'm a different gender.

 

[Finnegan III]

......Wow. Just..............wow. So, the 1950s called, they want their pigheaded views on gender roles back.

Your thinly veiled misogyny is rather sickening. Your little assumptions on women have a pretty strong basis in outdated psychology and stereotypes, and are, quite frankly, really fucking insulting.

I'm a woman, and I'd rather cut off my own foot than have a child or be a housewife. Does that make me a man? Or should I just shut my mouth and get back in the kitchen? I guess I'm just "forcing" myself into college where I don't really belong....oh wait, that's right...I get all As in my classes. Oh, surprise, and my major isn't home ec either! Imagine that! It's Government and International Affairs. I can't cook for shit, I hate babies, and I've never done dishes, but I can have a lengthy discussion with you about the political state
of affairs in the middle east. Or hell, let's talk about the political and military lessons of World War II. Jesus, I guess I'm just shattering your perfectly little constructed gender roles for women all over the place. Tear.

Oh, the economy is going down the drain? Really? EEGADS, it must be the women in the economy! Silly women pretending like they should be in the workplace. Oh wait that's right....the economy is terrible because of the billion dollar war going on and the crashing housing market. Oh yeah, and the European market is booming, thus the dollar is worth shit. Fyi, women work in Europe. And look at their economy. Nice try though.

Women intially prefer assholes because everyone goes through that "rebellious" stage when they're young. If a woman STILL prefers assholes when she is older, it's because she has a low self-esteem.

Tell me...you make assumptions based on gender, do you make assumptions based on race too? Because that's, well, basically the same thing. Also, maybe the girls didn't notice you because you're a misogynistic sexist jackass? Just a thought.

Hahaha.
I love your replies, truth and degrading them at the same time.


Agreed with all that post.

 

[Serah]

Wow...jumped on the 1920-1950 bandwagon much? Your views on women in this entire post, quite frankly sicken me, so I'm going to tear it apart piece by piece and let you know just how sexist you sound and how WRONG you are. This is year 2007, not 1945...jeeze

In the past few years, more so in the past year, my view on women has changed almost completely. I used to view women as equals, and when I wanted a girl to notice me, I always tried to be very nice and lenient. I realize now that I was essentially bending myself to fit her every whim. I know now that that is the worst thing a man can do.

Alright, so what you're saying is women aren't equal to men at all what-so-ever? Exactly what are we then? Below you? No girl is expecting you to prance the fuck around and put them on a pedestal and if you're saying that you were bending to fit her every whim and that's not equality to you, then wow...you must think VERY highly of yourself and expect to be treated the exact same...ridiculous...

I've learned in this past year that men and women are NOT equal. Not to say that one is superior to the other, but simply that they are very different creatures. For those who don't like long posts, I suggest you skip this now. However, should you choose to stick around, I think you may find some very interesting, and helpful, words.

Oh we're not? Wow, last I checked women and men were both, oh gosh I don't know...HUMAN? Of course we're different creatures. We have tits and a vagina, you have a dick. Naturally, that would make us different. Helpful and interesting? *snorts* Riiiight and I'm Bill-fucking-Clinton...

Women are the caretakers of the world. They bear children, and then they care for them. In order to be a reliable, effective, caretaker, a women must sacrifice the ability to use logic over emotions. A person who relies heavily on reason is not as well suited for feeling empathy and sympathy, which are core ideals when raising a child, whereas a person who relies on emotions to guide them know and understand how to help a person throughout their difficult periods in life. But, relying on emotions often makes decision making a shaky ability at best. It's hard to determine what is right for one's self and others based on emotions.

So that's what you view us as? Your personal fucking slaves? We're not a bunch of bimbos who spread our legs, have babies just because a man can't do it. There are women all over this world who prefer NOT to have children, who want to stay in the work industry. They chose priorities OTHER than just being a caretaker and having chidlren. So you're also saying that women are too emotional to be primary decision-makers? Good God that's worth a laugh. We don't RELY on our emotions to make decisions. We have brains, we USE LOGIC.

Men serve the exact opposite role. Men are the decision makers. We use logic and reasoning to come to the best possible solution. This makes us fairly useless when it comes to raising a child, but very effective at running a family. When a child scrapes his/her knee for instance, a woman will come running to soothe the child. A man, on the other hand, will tell the child to stiffen up and to "take it like a man". Both methods apply to real life. Each person needs to be soothed emotionally, but also needs to learn to toughen up because life, frankly, is hard.

So yet you're saying that men are smarter than women? That women DON'T use logic in regards to any type of situation that we may come under. Gee, isn't it LOGICAL to go to your children and clean up their bloody leg if they cut themselves open or do we just do something like that solely based on emotion? That's ridiculous. Also I find it hilarious considering I'm married and have a child and a majority of the decisions in this household are always laid to rest on my shoulders. Are you saying that I'm not capable of making decisions? The way I run this household and make damn near ALL the decisions has this place running pretty smoothly, including financially. How's that for logic? As for you saying that when a child gets hurt the father tells him to take it like a man, that is bullshit to it's highest degree. My husband isn't like that with our son and his dad was never like that with him. He takes care of the issue and then comforts him. That's what a TRUE father and REAL man would do. Not just slap him on the back and tell him to 'suck it up.' Where in the hell did you pull that one? Out of your ass?

It's a bit of a contradiction albeit, that either is more suited to raise a child. Both methods are required for properly raising a child. But, if one parent had to leave the scene, for all intensive purposes, it would be better if the father left. That's a totally different subject though.

You know what? We're not even going to go there...

This basic concept applies to more than just raising a child though. It is the core foundation of a relationship.

Simply put, men are there to make the tough decision through means of logic and reasoning. They will contemplate what is best for the group, make the decision, and continue moving forward.

Women are there to care for the men and children, and to provide emotional support.

*snorts again* And there you go, making the absurd and nonsensical assumption that women don't have enough brains to make decision. I swear, where you do come up with this nonsense? I use plenty of logic and reasoning daily in this family, thank you very much.

This is where relationships come in. A woman needs to find a man who is willing to take charge and make decisions. A man, on the other hand, needs a woman who can care for him, and comfort.

I do not NEED a man to take charge of my life and make MY decisions or any decisions regarding the relationship. As far as I was concerned, unless the man can't make the decision on his own, it's a 50/50 thing. As for my man needing me? I'm not his fucking momma. I'm his WIFE. He can take care of himself. He's a big boy, he's got two arms, two legs and a dick he uses by himself. If he can walk he can do it on his own.

This is why women fall for the "bad boys". Typically speaking, in this day and age, the "bad boys", or assholes, or whatever you prefer to call them, are the ones out there making decisions and sticking by them. They are not trying to cater to a woman's needs, but instead are showing signs that they are capable of guiding a family in the right directions. They show the signs of strength that a woman requires. The "good guys", or the ones putting women on a pedestal to show them that they care, are showing signs of weakness. In this case, a man's personality comes in second place to his ability to make decisions that will guide the family later on in life.

And just how do you know women fall for the 'bad boys' hmmm? Is it because we're so stupid that we simply cannot see that we're dating an asshole? Puh-lease. That's just insulting to not only myself, but to all women. We don't 'fall' for the bad boys. We know what we want in our lives, we know what balances us out and we make our decisions based on how we live. We don't just run off with a 'bad boy' or fall for them either. If we do, it's because we're in our adolescent stage and are intrigued by it. Now that we're adults, we're perfectly capable of realizing what's good and what's bad for us. And here you go with the man making the decisions and guiding a family again. If that's the truth, then how come so many men end up leaving and fucking up families?

Here is how everything is supposed to work out:

A man guides the family. He will take the information he knows about the world, his wife, and his kids, filter it through a logical thought process, and come to a conclusion as to which route will best serve the group as a whole. His logic, however, makes him inferior to properly care for (not about) others.

A woman cares for the family. She will comfort her husband and her children, in the way that best serves each individual member. Her emotions, however, makes her inferior to properly make, and feel confident in, decisions on how to best serve the group as a whole.

Woah woah woah hold on just a second here...so you're telling me that because I'm a woman, my emotions get in the way for me to make logical decisions? Oh please somebody help this guy realize we're not living in the 1930s here! You're basically sitting right here saying that women are too emotional to make really good, strong and proper decisions. That's a load of bullshit. You're also pratically stating that men are smarter than women when it comes to making familial decisions *snorts* whatever...

A woman, because of this programming, will seek out the men that she feels can best serve this function and vice-versa.

And this is where my feeling on girls (the original topic of this thread) comes in.

I now know that by always making a women the center of my world was the wrong way of going about things. It is true that I (and all men for that case) need to care about our women, and we need to take into account their feelings on all matters. However, we cannot let their feelings be our only guide. We need to filter those emotions with logic, and come to a conclusion that will best serve both of our needs. We as men need to take control of the situation.

You're really pushing this "men are smarter than women" thing aren't you? You're just attempting, keyword ATTEMPTING, to sugarcoat everything and sound smart...this is absurd. If you're a good man and a real man, you will care about another woman's feelings, but yet with this string of words you're making it sound like we're just weak little things that mope around, whine and cry about everything and NEED you there. We don't NEED men in our lives. We can get by just fine without you. What you've said is complete and utter bullshit. We're a HELL of a lot stronger than you think.

I feel that women play a vital role in our lives (for those of us that are heterosexual at least) and us men need to understand that. They are not just objects of lust and desire, but physical beings who need to be cared for and looked after. We need to buckle down and make the first move. We need to be unmoving stones in the river of life as is crashes down on us. Women are our other halves. They fulfill everything that is missing in us, and we, in turn, fulfill what is missing in them. This makes the whole concept of marriage very real. Two halves shall become one whole.

Again this has provided me with yet another laugh. We don't NEED you to care for us and look after us. We are quite capable of taking care of ourselves thank you very much. Since when did it come into play that women are so meek we need you there? We're perfectly cabable of handling things on our own without you up our asses. We can do things that men can do. We have two arms and two legs and we use 'em just as much, if not more, than you do.

I understand know that men and women can be different, yet equal. A man can take a job, and provide for his family, and a woman can stay at home, and care for the household, without either party being more important than the other. We, as a society, need to throw away our current ideas of equality and change them to fit reality.

Being a mother who's worked and gone to school at the same time I can't help but gag at this. This is about the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet. So the society needs to change everything around huh? ALL women need to stay at home with their kids while all the men go out at work because it's EQUAL!? What the HELL are you smoking!? Do you know how many women go out there and bust their asses to make a living AND raise kids? Honey, that is reality, NOT equality.

Women, I implore you to carefully review this idea. It is ok for men to go to work while you stay home and care for the house and those in it. This does not make you less important than us, or less qualified than us. It is simply a way for all members to play to their natural strengths for the good of all those involved.

I'm not going to carefully review any of this. We KNOW it's okay, we just don't always choose to do it because Oh gosh, I don't know, it's not the 19-fricking-30's anymore!? Not all women's natural strengths are to stay at home, spread their legs, pop out babies and raise 'em. There are alot of intelligent women in this world on the workforce and what they're doing isn't wrong in the least like you're perceiving it to be.

There are problems arising with these ideas however. In today's day it is becoming increasingly difficult to raise a family on one person's income. I believe this has a lot to do with women trying to force themselves into the workplace because they did not feel equal (probably because more and more of you were falling for the "bad boys" who treated you like shit, and therefore you started feeling as though your role was not being viewed as just as important as a man's) to men. Granted, it was the men who made you feel like this, so neither party is taking all the blame. Because more and more women (and therefore more people in general) were working, the average income had to come down to compensate. Also, with all of the extra money going out into the economy, the rich people needed to find a way to get it back, and they did so by raising the prices of goods and services.

Women don't FORCE themselves into a workplace because they don't feel equal to a man. That's another load of bullshit that just fell out of your ass. Women work because they want to, not because they feel inferior to men. If there is a woman in this world who doesn't view herself as important as a man, than she has fucking issues and needs a self-esteem boost.

We can get it to change though. Women, come home and care for your house and those in it. Your man is just not qualified for this job. We need you there. Men, go to work and do what you do best: provide. Your just not as good at caring for your children as you think you are. Yes, both parties have done an amazing job at reversing their roles. Men have become very good at raising children, and women have become very successful in the workplace. This does not mean it is the best way however. The economy is going down the drains (although this is far from being the only reason) because we have tried to switch our roles. It's coming down to the point where a lot of men and women are trying to make it on their own, to do both people's roles. The fact is, it just wasn't meant to work like that.

Hey guess what, it's NOT gonna change. Not all women WANT to stay home and clean and care for a house and kids. There are women out there that a lot more fucking intelligent than men and are needed more in the workforce than what a man is. You're making it sound like women are too stupid to be out there working and that women are the ones fucking up the economy. Wow, do you have any idea how many females would be offended if they could see that? That is just low BEYOND low.
Men just aren't qualified for the job that women "are supposed to do" (according to your viewpoints) That's trashing your own gender right there. I know quite a few daddies who stay at home while their wife goes out and works and they play the role just fine. You really need to go back and review your points on gender roles. You seem to have a real problem with holding onto the old-fashioned ways as opposed to now. Reality check much?

Men and women both serve equally important roles in this life. Both need the other in order to make it. Lets throw away this idea that bringing home money is more important than calming a crying baby, and throw away the idea that a women needs to prove to the world that she can turn a bolt , or file paperwork (or whatever) just as good as any man. The fact that we can do each other's job is not important. We proved that we can, now can we please go back to doing what we are each best at? Women, I concede, you can turn a bolt just as well as I can. However, I can calm a crying baby just as well as you. But which do you feel more comfortable doing?

Frankly I'm getting a little nervous that I'm trying going to end up trying to turn the baby's bolt, and things are going to go very, very bad.

Woah, now hold on just one moment. Were you not just saying up at the top of your post that women and men weren't equal? Contradict yourself much? The fact that women can do work just as good as any man can is not important? Seriously where do you come up with this shit? You might be able to calm a crying baby, but there are some women in this world who feel more comfortable with working than raising a screaming kid.

So yeah, I came across really fucking bitchy in the post and I think I had every right to. You degraded women extremely in this post and your sugarcoat didn't help it none either. Everything still came across sexist. We're just as good as you, we can do jobs just as good as you can and some even better. We raise kids, clean a house AND go out and bust our asses going to college or working a full-time job. How many men in this world can you say do that? Yet you're still pulling the whole "women shouldn't work" card. That's bullshit and yes, as a woman, I am offended.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Just treat them the way you would like to be treated. Again, humans are such fools during their youth, and both men and women can be equally good, and equally cruel...

Then again, it's up to all of you to decide with who you wish to spend most of your life...and if a woman wishes to be with an asswhole....then it's her problem....

Like my uncle says: "Your decisions are your own, but don't dare to come back crying to me after making a mistake..."

I don't think he is 100% sure....but at least I see some truth in his words...

 

[Bambi]

I'm a single mother and I work. No way am I going to stay at home all day living off benefits and such like.

If I end up meeting someone then I will STILL work. I like to be able to pay my own way & when I buy something I know Iv worked for it

I know it's short lol, but after killing my eyes reading all those posts, this is the thing I feel strongest about. I'm way more of a stronger person than my ex, I took the decision to end our 3 year relationship after I had my daughter because he was controlling and abusive & I wasn't prepared to live the rest of my life like that