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California Babe WV, Roland_Deschain, Draklor, Dragon mage, Exocraet, and Starstruck, you are the people who have shown vast interest and support of this idea, and have opted for involvement. Everyone else who is concerned with this system please direct your concerns to the public discussion thread, as they will be deleted here. Decisions made in this thread will be made by these people. These decisions are only subject to majority vote among each other, in order to ensure progress and growth. A 7th person will be involved if we require a tiebreaker. Decisions made in this thread should also reflect the general public’s opinion in the initial discussion thread. No one person here is more important than the other; this is for the forums, not for us. That means if one of us is not around (including me); a decision can still be made by majority vote if necessary. The public should feel free to view this and monitor it, state your opinions in the initial discussion. Remember we want the public’s opinion, so if your ego is too big to offer advice or ideas in the main discussion, we will proceed regardless.
Now as you all know from reading the initial discussion, everyone has some great ideas (that are still being offered). Most of these Ideas are in the rough draft area at the moment and require some tweaking and perfecting for the benefit of this whole operation, which is where your job comes in. We will discuss among ourselves how to employ a more unified involvement among the forums.
Now current ideas and discussion should begin with recognizing the following topics. I will post the topic and the ideas currently formulated based on what many have offered. It is your job to step up and be involved in critiquing these ideas for the better. Remember, the more the merrier. Please leave feedback, and discuss if you think the ideas being mentioned are good ideas. Remember, involvement is the key to this position, so stay involved, even if all you have to say is “I agree”.
#1 Voting: Currently there are many ideas regarding this. One popular one seems to advocate making two poles per debate. One of these poles would capture the viewer’s opinion before they read the thread, and the second would offer their choice of what team/persons did the best job debating their sides. Personally I find this idea simple and convenient, but what do you think. If you have an idea please present it.
#2 Debate cycle: This is a cornerstone of interest in my opinion. We will need to discuss a good cycle for debating that ensures continuation when some of us are busy, or when other people don’t have things to debate. So far, there has been well received opinions regarding having a standard debate which we could sign up for: 3-5 on each team. Also a Radom Debate worth signing up for, where people can sign up not knowing which side they will be debating. Also a Final Fantasy debate you can sign up for. Now as far as critiquing this idea, we need to discuss how long these debates should last. How much time should we allow for preparation of each debate? How many debates should be set up by the TD’s (us) at one time?
#3 Topical votes: This one I think needs the most work. I think a rotating system of each of us TD’s putting forward polls for the next upcoming debate topics could be successful. For example, we can switch positions evenly on standard, Random, and FF settings. Also, together we can come up with different topics every week for the public to vote which debate would be best, by simply signing up for them. Now one issue pointed out is how the public can be involved by suggesting debate topics, which does not interfere with continued progress. This is a tricky problem which we could figure out together. One thing I realize is the ability for people to make a debate team and set up a debate, might just be more than enough to ensure fairness in inclusion with their ideas for topics. Also please the simple style I put forward for voting placing in usernames to participate. Do you like this A1 A2 B1 B2, ect?
#4 MODERATION CYCLE: Similar to the topic cycle, we need to create a system where we do not moderate our own debates, yet insure we are always moderating the debates at hand. Simultaneously we want this system to allow us to be involved with debates, without and conflict of interest. A system like this could involve us switching the style of debate we are watching for the week, whether it be standard, random, or FF. This should also include a system of casting potential debates topics to vote upon in upcoming threads together. Please leave your feedback on this idea.
#5 DEBATE REQUIREMENTS: This is very important to discuss. I was thinking each debates, in each debate would be allowed a certain word count coupled with a post limit. These two factors would be set within the debates running timeframe, and I do not think that word count should be carried to others posts if not utilized. Do you agree with this? If you do, please explain what you guys think would be a good number as far as word count and post limit goes. Also about the idea of swapping sides in the standard setting, is this something everyone agrees with?
#6 DEBATE RULES AND REGULATIONS: The following is a simple rough draft setup of guidelines to be followed during debates. TD’s please discuss if anything should be added or taken away from this list.
OK EVERYONE. Here are some basic guildelines that will be enforced for the team debates.
- Each debatist will be allowed no more then 1400 Words per post.
- Each Debatist will be allowed no more then 15 overall posts during the debate's duration.
- All forms of insults are strictly forbiddon.
- Every "question" given by a person, must be addressed by the person it was asked to.
- All statistics using percents, ratio's, numbers, must be coupled with posted information.
- The duration of each debate will be five days in length in order to work smoothly.
- Every opponent must cross words with each other at least once, no 1v1 in a 3v3 debate.
- Use proper Grammar.
- Do NOT lie. Lying is strictly forbiddon. Only provide honest truths and stated opinions, do not present opinions as facts.
- No trolling.
Friendly advice for everyone.
Avoid the use of "Never".
Avoid the use of "Always".
Refrain from saying "You are wrong".
You can say, "Your idea is mistaken".
Don't disagree with obvious truths.
Attack the idea not the person.
Use the word "Many" or "Some" rather than "Most".
Avoid exaggeration.
The use of "Often" and "Generally" allows for exceptions.
Quote sources and numbers.
If it is just an opinion, admit it.
Do not present opinion as facts.
Stress the positive.
You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
Concede minor or trivial points.
Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
Be open minded about religion.
Keep your perspective - You're just debating
#7 DEBATE TEAMS: It’s a fairly simple idea involving the public being able to cast together their own teams and debate setups that can be subject to the same discretion and ethics as the debates the TD’s set up. We should adjust this system somewhat so it does not come out sloppy or impossible to run. Please leave your feedback.
#8 MARKETING AND PROMOTING THE IDEA: We have plenty of people interested debate and we have a ton of people interested in FF discussion. Let’s come up with some ideas that can spread the word and get the FF lovers more involved as well. If anyone has any promotion or marketing suggestions please place them forward. Word of mouth is powerful, so let’s start spreading the word.
#9 THE INITIAL POLLS AND DEBATES: Very important! As you all know I started two debates to get the ball rolling. The FF debate is filled, and the other topic debate is filled as well. We need to together construe a Random setting debate. Do we want them to run in intervals or in unison? Also I have considered scratching these votes in order to invite you all to offer a more broad stretch of topics. I do want it to reflect our (the forums) accomplishment, and not mine. However, it seems scratching a debate would be walking in the reverse direction of progress. So if anything let us discuss how to make the Random setting together. Also, should we allow for potential three way topics?
#10 FURTHER INVOLEMENT OF THE PUBLIC: Pull out all guns on this one. Right now we are six people who care, but others do as well. It is our responsibility to make this something for everyone who wants to participate. Any ideas regarding how to further involve the public in choosing debates, assisting directions, and promoting variety, are very much welcome from you guys.
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The Debatists, TD’s
Brief summary of our goal and mission
Our goal is to create a contsructive and organized system of rotating "random", "standard", and "FF" debates. Debates that the whole public can participate and sign up for, with fair and even sides, and that do not fearture flaming or trolling. Supervised, improved, and regulated by the forum for the ultimate goal of quality, fun, and ever changing variety. Our goal is to include every single opinion reflected by the public of this forum offers in our actions. (pertaining to how the system is setup.)
Our goal is to create a contsructive and organized system of rotating "random", "standard", and "FF" debates. Debates that the whole public can participate and sign up for, with fair and even sides, and that do not fearture flaming or trolling. Supervised, improved, and regulated by the forum for the ultimate goal of quality, fun, and ever changing variety. Our goal is to include every single opinion reflected by the public of this forum offers in our actions. (pertaining to how the system is setup.)
Banner will follow later. Compliments of “Six”
California Babe WV, Roland_Deschain, Draklor, Dragon mage, Exocraet, and Starstruck, you are the people who have shown vast interest and support of this idea, and have opted for involvement. Everyone else who is concerned with this system please direct your concerns to the public discussion thread, as they will be deleted here. Decisions made in this thread will be made by these people. These decisions are only subject to majority vote among each other, in order to ensure progress and growth. A 7th person will be involved if we require a tiebreaker. Decisions made in this thread should also reflect the general public’s opinion in the initial discussion thread. No one person here is more important than the other; this is for the forums, not for us. That means if one of us is not around (including me); a decision can still be made by majority vote if necessary. The public should feel free to view this and monitor it, state your opinions in the initial discussion. Remember we want the public’s opinion, so if your ego is too big to offer advice or ideas in the main discussion, we will proceed regardless.
Now as you all know from reading the initial discussion, everyone has some great ideas (that are still being offered). Most of these Ideas are in the rough draft area at the moment and require some tweaking and perfecting for the benefit of this whole operation, which is where your job comes in. We will discuss among ourselves how to employ a more unified involvement among the forums.
Now current ideas and discussion should begin with recognizing the following topics. I will post the topic and the ideas currently formulated based on what many have offered. It is your job to step up and be involved in critiquing these ideas for the better. Remember, the more the merrier. Please leave feedback, and discuss if you think the ideas being mentioned are good ideas. Remember, involvement is the key to this position, so stay involved, even if all you have to say is “I agree”.
#1 Voting: Currently there are many ideas regarding this. One popular one seems to advocate making two poles per debate. One of these poles would capture the viewer’s opinion before they read the thread, and the second would offer their choice of what team/persons did the best job debating their sides. Personally I find this idea simple and convenient, but what do you think. If you have an idea please present it.
#2 Debate cycle: This is a cornerstone of interest in my opinion. We will need to discuss a good cycle for debating that ensures continuation when some of us are busy, or when other people don’t have things to debate. So far, there has been well received opinions regarding having a standard debate which we could sign up for: 3-5 on each team. Also a Radom Debate worth signing up for, where people can sign up not knowing which side they will be debating. Also a Final Fantasy debate you can sign up for. Now as far as critiquing this idea, we need to discuss how long these debates should last. How much time should we allow for preparation of each debate? How many debates should be set up by the TD’s (us) at one time?
#3 Topical votes: This one I think needs the most work. I think a rotating system of each of us TD’s putting forward polls for the next upcoming debate topics could be successful. For example, we can switch positions evenly on standard, Random, and FF settings. Also, together we can come up with different topics every week for the public to vote which debate would be best, by simply signing up for them. Now one issue pointed out is how the public can be involved by suggesting debate topics, which does not interfere with continued progress. This is a tricky problem which we could figure out together. One thing I realize is the ability for people to make a debate team and set up a debate, might just be more than enough to ensure fairness in inclusion with their ideas for topics. Also please the simple style I put forward for voting placing in usernames to participate. Do you like this A1 A2 B1 B2, ect?
#4 MODERATION CYCLE: Similar to the topic cycle, we need to create a system where we do not moderate our own debates, yet insure we are always moderating the debates at hand. Simultaneously we want this system to allow us to be involved with debates, without and conflict of interest. A system like this could involve us switching the style of debate we are watching for the week, whether it be standard, random, or FF. This should also include a system of casting potential debates topics to vote upon in upcoming threads together. Please leave your feedback on this idea.
#5 DEBATE REQUIREMENTS: This is very important to discuss. I was thinking each debates, in each debate would be allowed a certain word count coupled with a post limit. These two factors would be set within the debates running timeframe, and I do not think that word count should be carried to others posts if not utilized. Do you agree with this? If you do, please explain what you guys think would be a good number as far as word count and post limit goes. Also about the idea of swapping sides in the standard setting, is this something everyone agrees with?
#6 DEBATE RULES AND REGULATIONS: The following is a simple rough draft setup of guidelines to be followed during debates. TD’s please discuss if anything should be added or taken away from this list.
OK EVERYONE. Here are some basic guildelines that will be enforced for the team debates.
- Each debatist will be allowed no more then 1400 Words per post.
- Each Debatist will be allowed no more then 15 overall posts during the debate's duration.
- All forms of insults are strictly forbiddon.
- Every "question" given by a person, must be addressed by the person it was asked to.
- All statistics using percents, ratio's, numbers, must be coupled with posted information.
- The duration of each debate will be five days in length in order to work smoothly.
- Every opponent must cross words with each other at least once, no 1v1 in a 3v3 debate.
- Use proper Grammar.
- Do NOT lie. Lying is strictly forbiddon. Only provide honest truths and stated opinions, do not present opinions as facts.
- No trolling.
Friendly advice for everyone.
Avoid the use of "Never".
Avoid the use of "Always".
Refrain from saying "You are wrong".
You can say, "Your idea is mistaken".
Don't disagree with obvious truths.
Attack the idea not the person.
Use the word "Many" or "Some" rather than "Most".
Avoid exaggeration.
The use of "Often" and "Generally" allows for exceptions.
Quote sources and numbers.
If it is just an opinion, admit it.
Do not present opinion as facts.
Stress the positive.
You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
Concede minor or trivial points.
Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
Be open minded about religion.
Keep your perspective - You're just debating
#7 DEBATE TEAMS: It’s a fairly simple idea involving the public being able to cast together their own teams and debate setups that can be subject to the same discretion and ethics as the debates the TD’s set up. We should adjust this system somewhat so it does not come out sloppy or impossible to run. Please leave your feedback.
#8 MARKETING AND PROMOTING THE IDEA: We have plenty of people interested debate and we have a ton of people interested in FF discussion. Let’s come up with some ideas that can spread the word and get the FF lovers more involved as well. If anyone has any promotion or marketing suggestions please place them forward. Word of mouth is powerful, so let’s start spreading the word.
#9 THE INITIAL POLLS AND DEBATES: Very important! As you all know I started two debates to get the ball rolling. The FF debate is filled, and the other topic debate is filled as well. We need to together construe a Random setting debate. Do we want them to run in intervals or in unison? Also I have considered scratching these votes in order to invite you all to offer a more broad stretch of topics. I do want it to reflect our (the forums) accomplishment, and not mine. However, it seems scratching a debate would be walking in the reverse direction of progress. So if anything let us discuss how to make the Random setting together. Also, should we allow for potential three way topics?
#10 FURTHER INVOLEMENT OF THE PUBLIC: Pull out all guns on this one. Right now we are six people who care, but others do as well. It is our responsibility to make this something for everyone who wants to participate. Any ideas regarding how to further involve the public in choosing debates, assisting directions, and promoting variety, are very much welcome from you guys.
Let’s rock and roll!
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Might think up other things, but in the mean time this works out fine for me.