Self Entitlement vs The Reality

[Shu]

Evening,

So I was discussing this with my brother in law and wanted ya'll to hear some hair brain ideas we were rattling on about over the weekend.

This is a matter of opinion, but I am hear to say, I think there is a large problem with our entire generation as of today. I think the key word I have said already, is within the title.. "Self Entitlement". Everyone I've met around my where-abouts seem to feel like they deserve more than they have. Their wants excessively over weigh their needs. It's quite disgusting in fact at times. I am under the impression that nothing takes any type of work anymore to achieve wants.

From graduating college, people believe since they were so successful in classes and getting a Degree, that they deserve the best job. Well wake up and smell the roses, the chances for you to get a job out of college is very rare now a days. If you get in anywhere the most likely cause is due to the ability to know someone within the organization. Even then chances are small.

We've grown up in a day and age where folks before us busted their ass, and now we even if we call it a recession, it's no where near as bad as was back in the 20s/30s. We believe that credit is a valid way of paying for things. We believe credit scores are the only true way of getting a mortgage or a loan.

You can't just pay for everything with cash anymore. Heck a lot of places don't even take personal checks either. Also have you noticed the minimum charge at some places is ten dollars?

Back to the original point though. Women and men have a different trend of self entitlement. Women "in the majority" still feel the need that marriage is the only way to a happy end game. While men sometimes only want children out of the deal. We live together, we get sick of some of our flaws and some make it and others... well.. the major synopsis is explode in a terrible divorce.. depending on adultery or other terms. Women and men sometimes feel the need to go beyond what they think they need. Their want expands so exageratedly that sometimes, when they are with someone for some long time, they feel it wouldn't be cheating to diddle around with a certain lady friend or guy friend. That's that self entitlement speaking. "I deserve to be happy"

I reiterate. "I deserve to be happy" What is happy to you anyway? Is it when your boredom kicks in and you feel the need to resolve it from whatever gives you a quick buzz. Maybe good good sex? Maybe a great day with a good friend or even group of friends?

How do you define boredom? Is it when you are only in a job, a relationship, a charity or any other life event due to the need to be accepted in society, or have the attention on you?

How quick do we zip through life? How many moments do we truly enjoy? How many times are we trying to get out of a situation because of a self diluted want.

Don't get me wrong, I want many many many things. I get those things as well, so I'm not a hypocrite. I am trying so absolve myself of true ass hole wants.

You know what the sad part is? The only things that you should get are the things you put so much time into. Not just because. So what's your retort? You think our generation is way too obsessed with wants? If not, then please throw down. Either way.. throw down

 

[Sepalcure]

These are some really interesting points that you make here Shu ... if I may I'll just go based off of personal experience. I was raised by a single mother, my dad was largely out of the picture from before I was even born. He rarely lent us money unless my mother hassled him to give us money so she could buy what ever she needed for me. She worked double shifts as a nurse and most times she would come in dog tired. My cousin, aunt, grand aunt, and grandmother all took their turns watching me. Now ... growing up amongst these folks and talking to my older generation made me realize that they all had to, as you've put it, "bust their asses" to work. What I took from watching my mother work so arduously (and she continues to do so) is that nothing in life is free and one, especially as a woman, can not expect to sit around and rest on one's laurels. No one will do for you what you can do easily do for yourself. That said, I personally believe that I differ from many members of my generation. I would not be satisfied with sitting around expecting that I am entitled to have a car bought for me or to get the best job in the world--I would expect to run into difficulties and to have to fight tooth and nail for anything I would want and need. So ... I need a car to get around well I'll wait until I can afford one myself.

I think in terms of my generation, I would say that it varies from individual to individual and how they were raised. Most of my friends for instance are quite like me--they do not settle for mommy and daddy to spoon feed them money and they're "go-getters." So I think it unfair to catalog most if not all of my fellow 90s babies into that self-entitlement group because every individual feels entitlement and work ethics differently. I know that Shawn for instance is an exceedingly hard worker and he is the sort who will go without certain things until he has amassed enough money to make due and even then ... he constantly budgets. Not once have I ever really seen that guy ask someone for money unless he's in some dire circumstance--he's the sort who understands the value of a penny and that it's a dog-eat-dog world. Most of the people you described are ones who have been sheltered and cared for by mommy and daddy all of their lives. They have not been pushed out of the proverbial nest to fly and learn that doing so is not an easy task. Most of them don't know the harsh realities of struggling to pay bills on time or struggling to find a job in a harsh economy--they're used to having their parents ironing out all of their tough wrinkles. But as I've said some of the members of my generation are like that and I've observed some kids (some cousins of mine, sadly, as well) who do not truly understand what precious commodities they are given and what the meaning of earning your bread really is.

 

[Nocturne]

I also feel that this is a HUGE problem with the younger generation. I really cant stand people around my age because of it. I always hear people complaining how they want more and that they deserve more (constantly pirating movies and music, etc ect) and then complaining when they dont get something small.

I come from a family that gets by but doesnt have a ton of money. If I wanted something, for the most part, I had to work and pay for it myself. Sure, I want alot of things, and now that I finally have graduated (which I worked my ass off to do; Im the first to graduate from college in m family), I have the money to do so. But I also have loans to pay back.

I think it's much deeper than just feeling Entitled. I think our society is very very selfish. This leads to the feelings of entitlement. I honestly dont think it's going to change either. It's a really sad state of affairs.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Nocturne

Werent you the one who bought a massive HD tv some weeks ago? Its not my business to tell you what you should buy with your money, but about pirating I am one of those ppl that thinks pirating is perfectly ok and I actually believe its my right to pirate movies and music.

Why? because music industry and movie industry make enough money as it is. I wont pay for a mediocre movie at the theaters while I can watch it for free.

I got the means to pirate movies so I will take advantage. Only quality movies I would happily pay for at the theaters. I bought many DVD's so I did support the movie industry by exchanging money, but I gave up because lots got stolen or DVD's are now irrelevant thanks to Bluray.

Did you know bluray was invented in 1995 or so, but only recently it exists on the market. They say yeah because at that time it would be too expensive for customers, but common sense is they could make more money out of DVD's for several years.

Its like the black gold industry. They only think about money. I wont hand them my money so easily.

I do support the GAME industry and would never pirate games, but seriously most corporations only think about revenue and not really about pleasing their customers so why should I?

Sorry for being OFF-topic.



ON TOPIC:

I couldnt agree more Shu, but sadly I am one of those ppl I must admit. I love games and tech shit/gadgets. I usually spend my money on bullshit when I should be spending it on more important things.


HD tv can I live without it? YES
GAMES Yes
BEER Yes

Yet I always hate it when ppl throw food away. In third world countries they are starving. Sadly I dont DONATE to charities. I always hear about corrupt charity groups or is it just that I spend my money on bullshit instead?

We are all selfish. Most humans are.
Shit all those smartphones are unneeded too yet we all own one.

I do pay bills and debts, but deep down Im selfish even though I spend a great deal of my money on friends to have a good time cause most are usually broke lmao.

Also I have a lot of respect of ppl that finished their high education and IMO they should be entitled to a well paid job. They worked for it so imo they should be rewarded.

You cant blame ppl. People adapt to their surroundings. Your environment defines you so there will always be people that arent satisfied and want more. Greed.

 

[TheRedBard]

You strike quite an interesting point there, Ohri-Jin, when you say that people who work for a degree deserve the job.

Let's say they all do. Let's say every single person that works to complete their college educations deserves the job. Well, the wording allows for this to be quite easily tossed around. Sure, hard working people deserve to reap what they sow, but it's just not like that in the present world. I think the issue here is when people automatically think they deserve the job, when they think they're entitled to it. I come from a similar background as Sepalcure, and I've witnessed my mother work her best to support my sister and me. Heck, I've heard stories of how my grandmother raised four children working four jobs at once, and guess what? She continued working after she raised the kids to become a nutritionist. In fact, she just got a promotion. Did she deserve the opportunity to study and land a job? I'd like to believe so. Her actual landing a job was a bit more lucky, however, although she never expected things would somehow magically happen because that's what she deserved.

More on topic, my view is that people can accomplish what they need and want when they work hard, but I doubt karma, or God, or whatever you believe in, or whatever you don't believe in, isn't quite so quick to deliver benefits to someone who thinks to themselves that they deserve the superfluous things they want. Humility, in my opinion, separates people who are self-entitled and people who aren't, as well as people who seek to work hard for what they naturally (not self-proclaimed) need.

Not everyone comes from my background, of course, nor does everyone come from Sepalcure's background. As similar as we may be to notice the "self-entitlement trend", if you will, we'll all view things a bit differently. I do, however, share Sepalcure's belief that the 90's babies generation is leaning towards that ignorance inhibited by parents able to provide everything until they don't. Maybe, and I think this may be likely, it has always been that way. My recent step-father has his parents provide almost everything for him all through his thirties, and now that they don't he must deal with all the debt he saved up from credit-spending in his college years, as well as seeing if he can buy a house. Perhaps because our present economic conditions aren't great, we tend to be more alert to the frustrating behavior observed in others of our generation.

Basically, if I want something, I know i must work for it and save actual money in a bank account to buy it with. If I need something, I must do the same, although my mother might be there to help buy actual necessities. A kid in my class might just have parents that simply buy whatever their kid wants periodically, leaving them to whine whenever they can't get what they entitle themselves to. We both may have existed three decades ago, and we would have been the same archetypes, but the difference is that the kid that got everything he wanted would be able to ride on his streak of eternal sunshine for a little longer than if he lived in present day because the economy allowed for things like loans and tuitions and jobs to come by much, much easier.

I agree with posts above stating it's not a pattern that'll change soon. Like Sepalcure, I'll continue to stick to friends that share my opinions and aren't encapsulated in that bubble of entitlement, which thanks to town i currently reside in, happens to be quite magnified amongst the generation.

 

[Nocturne]

@Nocturne

Werent you the one who bought a massive HD tv some weeks ago? Its not my business to tell you what you should buy with your money, but about pirating I am one of those ppl that thinks pirating is perfectly ok and I actually believe its my right to pirate movies and music.

Why? because music industry and movie industry make enough money as it is. I wont pay for a mediocre movie at the theaters while I can watch it for free.

I got the means to pirate movies so I will take advantage. Only quality movies I would happily pay for at the theaters. I bought many DVD's so I did support the movie industry by exchanging money, but I gave up because lots got stolen or DVD's are now irrelevant thanks to Bluray.

Did you know bluray was invented in 1995 or so, but only recently it exists on the market. They say yeah because at that time it would be too expensive for customers, but common sense is they could make more money out of DVD's for several years.

Its like the black gold industry. They only think about money. I wont hand them my money so easily.

I do support the GAME industry and would never pirate games, but seriously most corporations only think about revenue and not really about pleasing their customers so why should I?

Sorry for being OFF-topic.



ON TOPIC:

I couldnt agree more Shu, but sadly I am one of those ppl I must admit. I love games and tech shit/gadgets. I usually spend my money on bullshit when I should be spending it on more important things.


HD tv can I live without it? YES
GAMES Yes
BEER Yes

Yet I always hate it when ppl throw food away. In third world countries they are starving. Sadly I dont DONATE to charities. I always hear about corrupt charity groups or is it just that I spend my money on bullshit instead?

We are all selfish. Most humans are.
Shit all those smartphones are unneeded too yet we all own one.

I do pay bills and debts, but deep down Im selfish even though I spend a great deal of my money on friends to have a good time cause most are usually broke lmao.

Also I have a lot of respect of ppl that finished their high education and IMO they should be entitled to a well paid job. They worked for it so imo they should be rewarded.

You cant blame ppl. People adapt to their surroundings. Your environment defines you so there will always be people that arent satisfied and want more. Greed.

Yes I bought a massive HDTV. And why? Because I wanted it given to me or expected to get it? No. Because I worked all through my life, worked through college, made an effort to get with the company that was on the top of my list, got the job, saved up, and then bought it. I work hard for the things I buy. I dont expect them to be handed to me. I went through 7 years of college to get get the title of Doctor so I'm going to spend the money I make on things I have always wanted but couldnt get due to not having said money. But I will also have to pay off loans, help family out if need be plus I have my own personal issues that may end up causing problems for my own well beings at some point.

The fact is, piracy is stealing. Why do the movie companies make all this money? Same reasons why athletes do. PEOPLE pay to go and see them. They deserve said money if people are paying for the product. The problem comes in where if people think they shouldnt have to pay for it for whatever reason, that business loses money they otherwise would have gained and the more they lose, the worse their products will eventually become if people do it en masse. Every company thinks about making money, it's the whole point of a corporation. Movie studios do also think of their customers. Why do you think blu ray movies come with DVD and digital copies now and you can get them for essentially the price people paid for just a dvd 5-10 years ago? The value is much more now than it's ever been. To think we should be allowed to literally steal something and it's ok is a bad attitude to have. If the product isnt licensed in your country, then cool, all power to you, but if it is, you should support it less you have no more product to consume.

I agree with you about wasting food and not donating to charities though. Alot of charities are corrupt and most of the money either doesnt reach the place etc etc. Like the Relay for Life, it's a good cause but seriously? Do they need to spend money for free shirts to give out and to provide music entertainment? Id rather just write a check and have all the money go straight to cancer patients.

That's exactly why I blame people though. People need to rise above their surroundings and not give into greed and self entitlement. Dont let the environment define you, define your environment.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

I agree with most of your points I really do, but come on dude dont be so naive about the pirating thing. lol you have any idea how much gets stolen from taxpayers. We get buttfucked without realising. I would never steal I pay for my own shit. But music and movies no problemo. The opportunity is there so I will take it.

You know how commerce is, marketing. Sponsors. Everything involving money is straight up devil. Im fully aware companies care about their clients but most just to lure more and dont drift them away.

Acting. Actors and what not all make millions. They get major deals. Promote cola and bam.

Copying is stealing then but why do you think they made dvd burners to copy dvd's now and bluray drives and multimedia hdd's to share vidz pics etc. They are handing it on a silver platter.

See the box office Avengers is the top movie seen at theaters. Billions they made. I dont feel obligated at all to see it in the theaters just to support them and giving them my money lol

I do understand your points though call it stealing then, but I have no remorse whatsoever bro. None.

Yeah most charities spend more money on commercials etc. than on their actual ideals, its fishy corrupt and retarded.

About your tv im just saying lets say you bought a 42 inch tv and had way much more money to spend on other things. See my point? Modesty bro, kudos on your tv I might be jealous too but I would probably never buy a tv that big even if I saved up a lot of money for it.

 

[Paddy McGee]

I'd been thinking about this topic for a week or so now. I decided to look around to see if there was a thread; hence why I'm posting now.

First off, I agree with the depiction of this generation as mostly made of the self entitled. That we're being joined by people whom believe that- because of whatever reason- THEY deserve something for nothing, or that they are above others, or the law, because of what they have.

I'm not going to make out that I grew up in a house that was stuck in a rut of poverty. I've lived(and continue) to live a healthy, happy life. We weren't wealthy by any means, but I was never without. Not only that, I get the chance to go to college, to get a further education. I like to think I respect that now.

But when I was younger, I was very much like the stereotype of a teenager in the "Noughties" and "Teenties". I believed that I deserved objects and aspects of life that-from any perspective- I didn't earn.

My father is 72 years of age. He goes to work 9-8, 6 days a week. He works on his day off. He has such a great work ethic, and has earned everything he owns.

Even up to 2 years ago, I generally treated my parents quite horridly. I expected to receive money when I wanted it, because I wanted it.

It took a physical incident and sit down to get the thought into my head, with a summer of working to make me understand that we don't deserve to have anything. That it takes work, patience and resilence to get what you want and-in fact- those items you want taste sweeter and feel better, because you worked for them.

Ireland(my place of birth, and current location) there is a grant system for College. For certain households who cannot afford the cost of sending a child to further education, the government will suppliment the fees and(in cases like mine) pay certain maintainance costs. The idea that has placed in my mind is that this whole country is contributing to my education. It would be disrespectful to them not to strive for the best I can be. I've taken the place of someone who would've loved this chance.

That's why, when I see how some of my friends act in college I feel a some distaste... They waste time in comp. labs, they take spaces from people who want or need to do work.

Of course, I can see I'm never going to be my father. I'm never going to work as hard, or as long as him... But I'd like to hope I inherited some of that ethic.


Anyway, that's the way I see it: You should only get out what you put in.