Pedophilia - Is it wrong?

[GalaxyFlare]

Having thought processes linked to peadophilia is the same as those associated with homicidal tendencies just because they are in your head you dont have to act upon them?

Still the fact that Murderers kill Pedos in Jail is an encouraging sign dont you think?

Biologically it does not make physical sense for Adult Men/Women to be attracted to children.period. When Puberty is initiated in the adolescent then it maybe pluasible for older mature Adults to be attracted to a Pubescent Child.

But thats only from the most basic urge to want to procreate. Its analogous to the dominant male in a Pride of lions taking the younger fitter females to mate with and create an offspring.

But Pre-Pubescent minors have no real sexual appeal in the most literal sense of the statement, children in pagents and such things are only designed to look appealing for the contest and not even in a sexual sense.

Seeing kids dressed in Adult dominated Attire like high heals or Low hanging t-shirts and short skirts does not make them sexually available, they may ware Adult Attire but most certainly does not make them open to Adult actions, if you get me!

Society has made it "wrong" which is dangerous because if something can be justified as wrong then there are always people who can and will justify it as being "right".

I in no way think Peadophilia is acceptable and should be stamped out of the human concious, it serves no use even in the darkest of human minds it is rejected and looked on as the ugliest part of humanity.

Peadophilia is just evil. Based purely on this fact, it subjugates another person for the Singular and selfish desire to partake of something that is not deigned for it. A true abombination to behold.

Note: The first part of my statement is based on Scientiific and Logical reasoning in the drive of beings, human and animal, to secure the strongest chance of passing on there genes and should not be confused with any kind of exceptance for the OP's question.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

It seems to me that a lot of people are under the impression that paedophiles CHOOSE to be attracted to children.

Not so. My thinking about it goes something like this. Let's say I hear voices, because I have some sort of mental disease. I think you're talking about me, so I beat the crap out of you, maybe kill you. Am I any less of a danger to you because I didn't choose to have that disorder? No. Should I be handle differently then I person that just randomly attacked you and was totally sane? Yes.

The fact that they aren't choosing to do it doesn't make it any less dangerous.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Whats the worst part of your Psyche!

A good question for us all l think?

I would have to say the occasional urge to want to........kill the dog next door for its excessive barking, Im sure its just barking at my house coz it knows there might be someone home: stupid animal!

That's about as dangerous as I get, being pushed from an outside source anyway. Inside there are know dark leanings, only dark thoughts about death and Traditional evil, the good old fashioned kind of evil from lord of the rings or star wars.

Not Homicidal or sexual aggressiveness, just normal regular evil, balanced buy a Moral and Logical Core of beliefs and faith in the supposed good of people.

This maybe slightly off-topic but Its just a POV of how a mentally balanced person would approach the question of: Whats the darkest part of your mind?

I think the greatest asset humanity has is the fact we define our selves by our actions, and if you don't participate in these things you are generally a good person?

 

[Valkyrur]

I think pedophilia is only bad when you manifest it in your actions and actually go as far as to abuse a child, or impose your will on an unwilling child. I wouldn't think it's wrong to have thoughts linked to pedophilia, but certainly, it wouldn't be recommended, since that'll most probably lead to actual pedophiliac behavior ultimately, in my honest opinion.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

But if it exist in the human conciousness then what does that mean? no matter how small a group of people it represents, it most definitely is there, if we as a species were still in some kind of primitive state and were not self aware or guided by morals and acted entierly on instinct what would that mean?

As far as I know lower primates dont take mates until they are of a breeding age, if humans were still like this would pedophilia be present or is it a product of humanity having evolved beyond primal thought and being able to choose there actions?

Sexual relations are related primarily to breeding and offspring, with elements of desire involved it rounds out to case of natural progression.

But Pedophilia is outside of this realm.

Being more closely related to rape and the sexual domination of vulnerable minorities,
and not driven by the desire to breed, meaning it must be a choice at some level of the Psyche, weather its acted on or not.

So if choice is the only real ultimate barrier these people to stop and as weve seen in all ages of humnanity choice desolves quickly when pushed

 

[Tmoo]

so if someone becomes attracted to a minor and doesn't act on it, they are still scum of the earth and must be locked away?

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

so if someone becomes attracted to a minor and doesn't act on it, they are still scum of the earth and must be locked away?

Well, to me at least, it depends on the age of both involved. Let's say a 26 year old is attracted to a sixteen year old. Sure it's not actually right, IMO, but it's not that horrible. Now let's say a 26 year old is attracted to a six year old. That's wrong.

However, as long as they don't act on it, then it isn't as bad. Acting on it would be considered having sexual activities with or looking at sexual (or non sexual) pictures of that child for sexual pleasure.

 

[ZiDane78]

In my opinion (im not religious or anything) Since Satan and his fellow Satanist considers Pedophilia not only right but something that should be practiced regularly, I can say it is wrong and evil. But aside from that i think it is unlawful and I just feel exposing children to this type of sexuality can severely damage their psyche and twist their view of sexuality.

 

[Sullivan0930]

PEdophilia is just disgusting, wrong, unmoral, and just should never happen. A lot of people who have never really had an encounter with one can fully understand how it really does stick with you forever and how you will never forget what happened. I think these people should be treated the same as murderers since they are ruining the victims life.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Im suprised to see this thread. I wasnt going ta even reply, but seeing that it presents itself so well in terms of being open-minded, I might as well add my thoughts.
Whether or not pedophilia is okay or downright evil, it sure as hell isn't good, and doesnt serve any purpose other than somebody having a sick fetish for toddler twat. I mean really, If pedophilia isnt evil, than the person is. If you desecrate a childs mental well-being just to get off, in otherwards, you are evil. Now if you lived in a magical world where lil shirley temples all offed eachother as being 'sluts' or 'f*ckin teases', then I guess that'd be different.
But anyways, the point is: pedophilia is bad.
Unless youre this guy>

 

[Tmoo]

no one is saying pedophilia (the ACT of having sex with a child) is right or okay. what some of us are trying to get across is that you can't persecute someone just because they're ATTRACTED to them. As 'wrong' as it might sound to some, if they haven't actually done anything towards a child/minor, they are innocent.

They can't be called evil either, because they haven't done anything. Being attracted to something/one isn't evil. Pedophilia, the ACT of having sex with a child (yes i'm repeating that for emphasis) is wrong for the fact that almost all children do not fully understand the consequences of sex, and also aren't physically mature for sex. You have to take prejudice out of this topic to really form a fair opinion on it.

Thus far I've seen all sorts of moral attacks on people who are attracted to children, but those attacks should be directed at the pedophiles (the ones who actually act on their desires). Calling lolicons (i'll use that word for people who are attracted to underage) evil is like calling homosexuals evil; you can't bloody control who or what you're attracted to. you CAN control what you do about it.

 

[Harlequin]

They can't be called evil either, because they haven't done anything. Being attracted to something/one isn't evil.

What is Evil? I'm not asking you to categorise acts, just explain what your concept of Evil is and where it comes from.

Pedophilia, the ACT of having sex with a child (yes i'm repeating that for emphasis) is wrong for the fact that almost all children do not fully understand the consequences of sex, and also aren't physically mature for sex.

That's still not a valid argument. You haven't provided us with why it's wrong, only the consequences of doing it. Which isn't an accurate gauge on morality.

Thus far I've seen all sorts of moral attacks on people who are attracted to children, but those attacks should be directed at the pedophiles (the ones who actually act on their desires).

Why should any attacks be directed at anyone? A Paedophile isn't necessarily someone who indulges in the act of paedophilia. That would be like reasoning to be a homosexual is to partake in the act of homosexuality.

 

[Tmoo]

What is Evil? I'm not asking you to categorise acts, just explain what your concept of Evil is and where it comes from.

I define it as any intent on another being that would deliberately put them at mental/physical risk. This is one of those words that everyone will have a different answer to. I for one know that mine has a few holes in it, poke them if you wish. As for where it comes from, are you asking what brought me to that conclusion? That would be a whole other topic of discussion.

That's still not a valid argument. You haven't provided us with why it's wrong, only the consequences of doing it. Which isn't an accurate gauge on morality.

Sure I have, and yes it is valid. it's right there in the quote you took. The act of pedophilia is wrong because the child is almost never mentally or physically prepared for it and the consequences.

Why should any attacks be directed at anyone? A Paedophile isn't necessarily someone who indulges in the act of paedophilia. That would be like reasoning to be a homosexual is to partake in the act of homosexuality.

I suppose not. I wanted to make a distinction between those who act and those who do not. I advocate attacks on pedos 'cause I'm biased against people who mentally scar kids and skew their perception of sex and etc etc etc. Same for rapists. Same for murderers.

I am somewhat confused by your post. Are you arguing for/against pedophilia or are you just picking my post apart for the hell of it?

 

[Harlequin]

I define it as any intent on another being that would deliberately put them at mental/physical risk. This is one of those words that everyone will have a different answer to. I for one know that mine has a few holes in it, poke them if you wish. As for where it comes from, are you asking what brought me to that conclusion? That would be a whole other topic of discussion.

I couldn't say your definition is wrong, but I and many theologians and philosophers believe the concept of Good and Evil to only exist when referencing religion.

Sure I have, and yes it is valid. it's right there in the quote you took. The act of pedophilia is wrong because the child is almost never mentally or physically prepared for it and the consequences.

Then perhaps I wasn't clear in how I asked. You're still only telling me what the consequences for doing it would be.

What I was asking you was why you found it wrong because a child wasn't prepared. That doesn't fully qualify your argument.

I suppose not. I wanted to make a distinction between those who act and those who do not. I advocate attacks on pedos 'cause I'm biased against people who mentally scar kids and skew their perception of sex and etc etc etc. Same for rapists. Same for murderers.

Fair enough.

I am somewhat confused by your post. Are you arguing for/against pedophilia or are you just picking my post apart for the hell of it?

I'm trying to reach a conclusion based on every angle. I don't feel we're making any progress by reasoning that to hurt another is inherently wrong.

I was picking apart your post for the hell of it. Sorry about that. I can really be a cunt sometimes.

 

[Tmoo]

I couldn't say your definition is wrong, but I and many theologians and philosophers believe the concept of Good and Evil to only exist when referencing religion.

That's something I hadn't heard of before. I'll play around with that idea a bit. Does this suggest that all of us base our perceptions of good and evil off our experiences and values? I don't believe that would be exclusive to religion though.

Then perhaps I wasn't clear in how I asked. You're still only telling me what the consequences for doing it would be.

What I was asking you was why you found it wrong because a child wasn't prepared. That doesn't fully qualify your argument.

Would you be asking for my personal opinion then? I believe children are impressionable and are thus more vulnerable. I'm still not sure what you're looking for. I don't believe my previous statements were simply consequences; the consequences for pedophilia can be detrimental, but I never listed it specifically as a reason. The reason I listed is that (almost all) children aren't prepared for sex.

I'm trying to reach a conclusion based on every angle. I don't feel we're making any progress by reasoning that to hurt another is inherently wrong.

What kind of progress are you trying to achieve? I don't feel we're on the same page.

I was picking apart your post for the hell of it. Sorry about that. I can really be a cunt sometimes.

Well now that you've said it, I don't mind (funny how that works out).

 

[Harlequin]

That's something I hadn't heard of before. I'll play around with that idea a bit. Does this suggest that all of us base our perceptions of good and evil off our experiences and values? I don't believe that would be exclusive to religion though.

Well of course we all base our perceptions of morality on our experiences and values, but I would suggest the only reason our society uses the concepts of Good and Evil is because it's a society whose moral fabric has been shaped by religion.

What is Good and Evil when not accepting reference? If you're Agnostic or Atheist, where is the reference in which to classify an act as right or wrong? Good or Evil?

Would you be asking for my personal opinion then? I believe children are impressionable and are thus more vulnerable. I'm still not sure what you're looking for. I don't believe my previous statements were simply consequences; the consequences for pedophilia can be detrimental, but I never listed it specifically as a reason. The reason I listed is that (almost all) children aren't prepared for sex.

I understood you thought it was wrong because of the repercussions of the act on the child, such as irreparable psychological damage, but you haven't said why you believe the damage it causes to be wrong.

Why is the Paedophile required to care about the child? Why should they? If they do not accept a religious moral code there is nothing other than man made law to guide them. Why should they listen to man?

What kind of progress are you trying to achieve? I don't feel we're on the same page.

I'm trying to delve deeper into the underlying concepts rather than taking certain things as inherent facts.

Man isn't born civil. It's civilisation that makes him so.

Well now that you've said it, I don't mind (funny how that works out).

 

[Tmoo]

Man isn't born civil. It's civilisation that makes him so.

After mulling it over I can see your POV to some extent. You believe that the concept of good and evil is consigned to the church. You also believe that humans are inherently selfish and are only held back by the social values instilled in them.

I don't believe that good and evil are bound to religion. Humans are social beings and will create these concepts with or without a religious aid. So long as they are in groups they will create commonly held values which ensure their safety in the group, or society.

I do agree that humans are civilized by society, but this is not an excuse for pedophilia. A man who has lived in isolation and has sex with a child will face the same consequences as a man who is a social butterfly.

Lastly, I believe the damage is wrong because it goes against my own moral code and I Am Always Right, and pedos should beware of sex with children because they are risking many things, their own safety included, which is good enough a reason for anyone to re-think a decision.

EDIT: by the way, thank you for the rep.

 

[Mokken]

So, my question to all of you, is being a pedophile wrong and dangerous to children?

is this a rhetorical question?


Is it wrong?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[Harlequin]

You believe that the concept of good and evil is consigned to the church. You also believe that humans are inherently selfish and are only held back by the social values instilled in them.

Not so much the Church as any religion. I do believe humans are born selfish. If a child wants a toy from another, they will take it, sometimes with force. It requires the humans around them to fashion them into people who would fit into society. That is why our society distances itself from thieves, murderers, etc. because we believe that they're harmful to our concept of society and it's values and crucially, that they haven't been moulded into our concept of right and wrong.

I believe prisoners in a particular society are products of that societies short comings.

I don't believe that good and evil are bound to religion. Humans are social beings and will create these concepts with or without a religious aid. So long as they are in groups they will create commonly held values which ensure their safety in the group, or society.

It's easy to say that when our societies have already been weaned onto religious values. Man has always worshipped something and based society around that idol. Even back when man worshipped fire or the Sun. That's unfortunately the only retrospective we have on the matter. There has never been a society shaped entirely on the morals of Atheism, because Atheism has no moral code.

I do believe humans can be social beings and that by and large they are, but what about those who wouldn't fit you're idea of society? Are they not human too? Is the man who chooses to steal with no regard for his fellow man not human too? Is the anarchist not human too?

What is the point of Good and Evil if there is no context to it? If there is no judgement of some form? If you can't gauge it? Why make the distinction?

Lastly, I believe the damage is wrong because it goes against my own moral code and I Am Always Right, and pedos should beware of sex with children because they are risking many things, their own safety included, which is good enough a reason for anyone to re-think a decision.

But have you ever considered why you have morals and what you base them on? What's the point in adhering to your morality if there's no retribution? Why not just bend your morals to suit yourself? I'm not trying to impose a religious debate onto this thread, but when we speak of morality ideology will inevitably be factored in.

EDIT: by the way, thank you for the rep.

Thank you for entertaining the discussion.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

It'w wrong to be a pedophile.It's wrong to have sexual desires for children.

An easy question to answer.

MOD EDIT: Can you elaborate on why you believe this? This is considered a spammy post in a "post count" area, so you need to avoid such posts in the future. Thank you and carry on.