Playstation New devil may cry

[Fusionist]

Haha, I don't think Dante was necessarily a jack-ass. He was just being...Dante

Actually, I've been hearing how people aren't too happy with the perceived attitude this Dante will have in the reboot. It was just that one scene, but some people have mentioned being worried Dante's gonna have a more sadistic streak this time around (burning his cigarette in that enemy monster and such).

So flashy and cocky > cruel and sadistic, I guess?

 

[Dragon Mage]

First off, I have my new Game Informer in hand and after reading the short blurb on this, I don't think 'reboot' would be the word to describe it. According to this, it's actually a 'westernization' of the series. You know. To appeal to Western players.



You know, I really must pause and ask, why the fuck do they want to make it 'more appealing to western audiences' when the original formula did perfectly freaking well? I'm sorry, Malaware, but I found Dante's entire style -- a complete snarker that doesn't take anything too seriously -- a welcome relief from the tone of nearly every other Japanese game. Maybe it wasn't your style, but it certainly fit the bill for thousands of fans. DMC definitely had the makings of being yet another dark and wangsty game, but it wasn't simply because of the main character being a complete and lovable asshat.

And while the games are certainly NOT story-driven -- if you want story, go get a JRPG and drown in it for a few months -- that was okay; you're there for the fun of the gameplay more than anything, and with the occasional snarky quips from the obligatory character to make a few laughs, it was fine. Dante was perfectly popular enough without any driving story depth -- enough to get the character in some notable games, Viewtiful Joe and Capcom vs. Marvel among them, and almost made it into Soul Caliber 3.

I have a feeling that after this, people will be saying "Once upon a time, Capcom had a great game. Then they shat upon it."

But the thing that bugs me is how Dante looks. I think his haircut is awful and he is way too skinny if they would have changed both things then I can deal with this new Dante.
Other than that I think the gameplay will be okay.
I'm hoping some new info will come soon.

THIS. I saw this picture and was like, lol? They're joking. This must be a damn joke. They even gave him emo hair! Who the hell is this bony impostor and how in the hell did he get Dante's coat? Take a good look at a picture of this 'new' Dante and don't tell me he doesn't need a damn sandwich or three.

One last thing: if they have any intention of changing the combat -- specifically switching the triangle and square button functions -- I'm gonna be ticked. Muscle memory does not forgive.

 

[Dishy]

First off, I have my new Game Informer in hand and after reading the short blurb on this, I don't think 'reboot' would be the word to describe it. According to this, it's actually a 'westernization' of the series. You know. To appeal to Western players.



You know, I really must pause and ask, why the fuck do they want to make it 'more appealing to western audiences' when the original formula did perfectly freaking well? I'm sorry, Malaware, but I found Dante's entire style -- a complete snarker that doesn't take anything too seriously -- a welcome relief from the tone of nearly every other Japanese game. Maybe it wasn't your style, but it certainly fit the bill for thousands of fans. DMC definitely had the makings of being yet another dark and wangsty game, but it wasn't simply because of the main character being a complete and lovable asshat.

I have a feeling that after this, people will be saying "Once upon a time, Capcom had a great game. Then they shat upon it."

^ This.


To me, it just doesn't feel like DMC.
Why couldn't Capcom have just give the guy a different name and created a separate IP?
That was how the original was formed, right?
It just feels like a betrayal.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

... DMC wasn't western enough? I always thought DMC was quite a western oriented game as is seriously, DMC1 is a LEGEND of a game through the world, that should say enough about whether it needs westernising or not

What is it with Japanese developers and westernising their games lately?

 

[Takumi]

KILL ME NOW!

What the fuck is this? Dante's epicness level is now below 9,000. I prefer the original one (the one with the silvery white hair), not this emo-haired guy who calls himself Dante. Even so, the new sword looks awesome. And yes, I think that this guy's a clone (according to the second website on the first post).

 

[Fusionist]

^ Nope, sorry, no clone. Trust me, that's the second theory I came up with after the "brainwashing into thinking he's Dante" theory, but it is Dante - just another interpretation of him.

I just don't get why they didn't continue Nero's story. I'm still curious about that guy. I wasn't really pining for a fresh take on Dante :/

 

[Alexis Malaware]

There's a big difference in my mind between a laid back lovable character and an ass hole you want to shoot in the head. Unfortunately when it comes to Devil May Cry 3 Dante fits more into the latter category by a large margin. In the first game he was far more tolerable. The only time I was able to get behind Dante at all in 3 was when he finally started showing signs of character development, which almost made up with what I had to deal with just listening to him in 3. Also while I recognize it's not meant to be that story-driven I know I'm not the only DMC fan who didn't like the story of Devil May Cry 4 since it was all over the place. Browsing DMC based forums before there were a fair few actually. It's not being very story-driven is also no excuse for a bad story. Never is, never will be.

 

[Ayen]

^ Nope, sorry, no clone. Trust me, that's the second theory I came up with after the "brainwashing into thinking he's Dante" theory, but it is Dante - just another interpretation of him.

I just don't get why they didn't continue Nero's story. I'm still curious about that guy. I wasn't really pining for a fresh take on Dante :/

Because people hated Nero last I checked. He was basically a cut and paste of Dante. Devil May Cry 4 pulled a Metal Gear Solid 2 with an even more less tolerable, yet slightly hotter, girlfriend of said new character, and ended up with exactly the same result. People hated him and wanted to play Dante. Only difference is Raiden felt more like his own character as opposed to Nero.

Now Capcom is giving us Dante, some changes may apply

This is not the Dante you once knew

We have rebuild him

He is faster than he was before

Stronger than he was before

AND 50% MORE EMO! Than he was before

If this game doesn't work we'll reboot it again because it's the greatest cop out since memory failure!

 

[Alexis Malaware]

^ Don't forget 25% more likely to develop lung cancer and talk with a deep voice by age 50. Seriously though the new look doesn't bother me all that much. Needless to say I'm interested in following this to see new developments, as so far we've seen very little of what this game has to offer. I'm wondering whether or not they're going to re-introduce characters like Mundus, Vergil, Trish, etc with new looks too.

 

[Dragon Mage]

There's a big difference in my mind between a laid back lovable character and an ass hole you want to shoot in the head. Unfortunately when it comes to Devil May Cry 3 Dante fits more into the latter category by a large margin.

See, this just sounds so odd to me. He doesn't strike me as being an asshole, and this new Dante hardly seems like an improvement in the direction you prefer. But, like I said, perhaps it just isn't your cup of tea, and that's perfectly understandable -- the way they've written him (and keep in mind, there hasn't been one writer for more than one game in this series), it can easily tip into the area of being a total dipwad -- it's really up to your personal preferences. So I don't blame you for thinking he's an ass -- there's a wide reaction to characters like Dante; they're called Jerkass characters. Read this page; it's quite interesting -- and take note of what it says at the bottom. "There's a certain amount of subjectivity in this trope..."

So really, you're differing reaction is probably just as widespread as those who like the character -- it comes with the territory of this particular character style.

Also while I recognize it's not meant to be that story-driven I know I'm not the only DMC fan who didn't like the story of Devil May Cry 4 since it was all over the place. Browsing DMC based forums before there were a fair few actually. It's not being very story-driven is also no excuse for a bad story. Never is, never will be.

TRUTH

I blame this on the fact that they couldn't keep a writer for more than one game at any given point. How can you plan a series when the person constructing it isn't there to keep building it? It's like trying make a building with 4 different architects who all have varying cases of severe myopia. It just doesn't work.

And there's one thing I can say for sure, and makes me grudgingly think NinjaTheory might be able to do some good -- story. It really shouldn't be all that hard. Demon hunter, yeah? Each game = different day on the job. :dave: Problem solved! Why Capcom couldn't figure this out, I'll never know. It's no small secret that western companies actually know how to make a continuous story without it being convoluted seventy-nine ways to sunday. AND they can keep it together for continuity. So perhaps the series may get something good out of this. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

EDIT: Oh, and about Nero -- the reason he's such a curiosity is because he always was a mystery, even to the people that made him. No excuse for dropping the plot like that.

 

[Ayen]

Dante is pretty cocky in the third installment of the game, but he's younger. He possesses unique abilities thanks to being the son of a Legend and there are very few demons that can even match him in power and skill. Characters like Vergil exist in a minority group of people who can give him an actual challenge. In his shoes I'd be pretty damn cocky too. I think somewhere around the time he gets his ass handed to him by his twin is when he starts to realize he needs to get his shit together.

Oh yeah and I personally LOVE cocky ass characters with awesome quotations. Characters like Dante, and Alucard from something like Hellsing are just awesome.

I'm wondering whether or not they're going to re-introduce characters like Mundus, Vergil, Trish, etc with new looks too.

Oh god. If they keep Vergil in the game as Dante's twin then you can already guess what he's going to look like. Just take Dante's red coat off, put a blue one on him and spike his hair up a little.

 

[Fusionist]

Here's something I'm wondering about. After this reboot game, do they plan to go back to the "first" DMC series and deal with either Dante or Nero? Or will they just continue from the reboot and make a new series from that?

 

[Ayen]

Here's something I'm wondering about. After this reboot game, do they plan to go back to the "first" DMC series and deal with either Dante or Nero? Or will they just continue from the reboot and make a new series from that?

Reboot means to start over from scratch. All the reboots we have seen from the past never went back and continued from the original source which they were rebooting from, so I very much doubt they will ever make another game from the old series after rebooting.

 

[Fusionist]

Ah, for real? Capcom kept going on and on about how this game is in no way related to the "first" series. If they're already cowering at the overwhelming hate from the internet to make that statement, I'd wonder if they feel confident continuing the reboot and not just going back to what they had. And as I said before, there's still stuff about Nero I wanna know about, and Dante's story doesn't really feel it's done either.

...Then again, the story in the series is screwy as it is

 

[Crystal]

Capcom makes really stupid moves. I read that, In June they already said that they would please the fans with the new DMC 5 game or something, to put something in it that the fans wanted. (so we are thinking about comeback of Vergil, Nero's background story and such)
And now they do this.

I don't know if you have read this but this seriously pissed me off.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/104584-Devil-May-Cry-Reboot-Designed-to-Provoke-Fans

They are probably so desperate to want the fans to talk about the game, that they even don't care that they talk about it in a bad way?

" Svensson said not to expect any major changes to Dante's design before the game launches either, at least not until the end of the game. "This is meant to be an origin story," he said. "There are going to be some interesting changes and twists to what people think they know about Dante or where he came from."

That does promise something though, would he get his white hair back at the end of the game?

 

[Dragon Mage]

WHY CAN I NOT POST IN THIS DAMN THREAD!?

EDIT:



You tricky, slimy, halfwit, inbred diseased jackwagon server! For the first time in MONTHS, my posts are now automagically accepted? For those that don't understand, I've tried to post in this thread dozens of times over the course of a few months and for some fickle reason it would not go through. But now, by some fickle twist of fate, my posts go through with no problem! >(

Anyways~ the real post I had prepared months ago:

Dante is pretty cocky in the third installment of the game, but he's younger. He possesses unique abilities thanks to being the son of a Legend and there are very few demons that can even match him in power and skill. Characters like Vergil exist in a minority group of people who can give him an actual challenge. In his shoes I'd be pretty damn cocky too. I think somewhere around the time he gets his ass handed to him by his twin is when he starts to realize he needs to get his shit together.

Oh yeah and I personally LOVE cocky ass characters with awesome quotations. Characters like Dante, and Alucard from something like Hellsing are just awesome.

QFTW! Amen to that, brother.

But honestly, how do you even CAPTURE Dante in the first place? The dude is completely impervious to bullets, blades, and demonic twins. I'd say he's fairly got his bases covered when it comes to avoiding the authorities. The more I see of this trailer, the more it pisses me off.

And really? Torture? This must seriously be a joke. This is how a torture scene with Dante would really go:

Ominous DOOM man: WHAT IS YOUR NAME, PEON. *zaps*
Dante: That tickles. *proceeds to break off doom man's limbs and feeds them to him*

:dave:

Seriously, don't you think they could've at least thought this through before they made this stupid teaser? What's next, Dante trying on lingerie as he explores his feminine side?

Also, this is one other thing that makes me despair for the fate of DMC: The smoking. Lol? Are they crazy? For those that don't know, a company might throw in a bad smoking habit to make the character look badass and cool, thus invoking the Smoking Is Cool rule. (please check out the video games example; DMC is near the bottom of that drop-down section. Observe what it says there.) If the character's style, outfit, actions, and appearance didn't make you think he/she was cool, then smoking surely will. I have a problem with this because the original Dante NEVER had to rely on this in order to be show he was cool/badass. But now, in this reboot, they have to pull out all the cliches just so you get the proper sense of coolness.



If I drop dead from a stroke sometime in the next couple of months, don't wonder what caused it. I'll tell you right now. Insufferable stupidity.


And Fusionist: A helpful page describing what a continuity reboot is.

 

[Fusionist]

^ You just did?

I haven't heard anything new about DmC. Was there ever a tentative release date?

And just for the sake of saying it, I will give the game a chance. Now if CAPCOM would just make it clear if this is an AU take to the series, or a incorrectly placed prelude that throws canon to the ground and lights it on fire.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Now if CAPCOM would just make it clear if this is an AU take to the series, or a incorrectly placed prelude that throws canon to the ground and lights it on fire.

Oh, one can only hope such enlightenment will be bestowed upon Capcom.

 

[Prince Oberyn Martel]

I think its a good way to go. Yeah thats right, fuck you all.

Reboot aside, think about it... Dante's mother and Sparda both died when they were young. Who would of looked after Dante and Virgil after? It makes sense that they were fostered which explains the setting. Now let's be honest, both parents dead and knowing he is half kickass demon is going to be abit of a mind fuck for our young hero. Not surprised if he developed some social and behaviour issues and ended up dying his hair like a rebel and took up smoking. At some point or another he might have let on that he's a 'special' child by, I dunno, throwing an annoying cat far further than any 'normal' human or getting in a fight and breaking some fat obnoxious dude's jaw with his pinkie. Evil government catches a whiff and bangs him into some lab as a test subject. Dante stops taking shit, throwsdown like a muddafukka, escapes, throwsdown some more and decides to quit smoking at the end because its bad for you. Sometime between the end of this new game and the start of DMC3, Dante grows a pube and stops dying his hair like an attention seeking emo kid. Makes sense, fits the story and has potential to develop the backstory.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Not surprised if he developed some social and behaviour issues and ended up dying his hair like a rebel and took up smoking.

Well, you've an opinion, but I've never seen you get hostile about it before. Are you feeling okay? A little down or something? I have a host of funny pictures to cheer ya up! No seriously, just PM me and I'll link ya a couple of hilarious pics. They cheer me up on my worst days.

But moving on...

The whole point Dante has white hair is because of his odd ancestry. He is a nephalim. Which is to say, the offspring of a human and a demon. Nephalim, in some legends, are said to be distinguished by their stark white hair. It wasn't for a trivial reason that this piece of character design was based on. It was done intentionally, and seeing as how this new game totally runs over that just shows to me that they don't know how much work went into the original thing.

They probably just thought that is was done to look 'cool' and so did away with it so it can be a 'new cool'. I'm all for changes in games if they have valid reasons, but doing it just because "it doesn't seem cool to me --art director" doesn't cut the mustard for me. I'm sure you can agree that's a pretty poor reason for such a drastic change. In fact, you made a more realistic and sound reason for why these changes are being made than any that NinjaTheory has offered so far. That says a lot.

At some point or another he might have let on that he's a 'special' child by, I dunno, throwing an annoying cat far further than any 'normal' human or getting in a fight and breaking some fat obnoxious dude's jaw with his pinkie. Evil government catches a whiff and bangs him into some lab as a test subject. Dante stops taking shit, throwsdown like a muddafukka, escapes, throwsdown some more and decides to quit smoking at the end because its bad for you. Sometime between the end of this new game and the start of DMC3, Dante grows a pube and stops dying his hair like an attention seeking emo kid. Makes sense, fits the story and has potential to develop the backstory.

Also, it sounds like you're saying that this is a prequel or something, a game set in the younger years. A reboot is a totally clean-slate, lets-start-over-again thing. This isn't set in the beginning of the game timeline -- it's a whole new timeline in and of itself.