Negative Lifestream And Sephiroth

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Sephiroth at this time explains that, when those infected with Geostigma die, their tainted spirit energy will return to the Lifestream, and eventually Sephiroth will be able to use his influence over Jenova to take control of the Lifestream itself.


So, when Geostigma infected people die and enter the lifestream--Sephiroth can then work his way up to being able to control the lifestream, do I got that right?:hmmm:
 
The original Seph master plan had him destroying half the world to reap the power of the lifestream as it attempted to heal itself. I think you've got it right, but the success on FFVII has convoluted the story so much that it almost makes Seph look like a joke.

Hideo Kojima (MGS creator) said he wasn't prepared for Metal Gear's success and the story had become too complex and warped as a result of subsequent sequels. I think FFVII's universe is suffering from the same problem.
 
I was about to say pretty much what Harly just said :hmmm:
I've never really understood the storyline of Advent Children that well though. I didn't understand the ending of Crisis Core much either (the bit with Genesis) so I do think they made the story of VII waaaay too complicated :hmmm:
 
^ I agree. I feel like such a noob :mokken:

Okay, I think I got it now;

Sephiroth reveals his new plan is to use Jenova's influence over those infected with Geostigma to control the Planet - once they die, their tainted spirits will join the Lifestream and further infect it with Jenova, until Sephiroth can control it. Then, he will use the Planet to travel the universe, and find another planet to rule over.
 
But hold on a second..

If Aeris is part of the lifestream and had the power to heal the geostigma by summoning healing rain over Edge, how on Earth would Geostigma build and eventually thrive in the lifestream?

...Hideo was right :ffs:
 
Basically Harly, that original storyline made sense (sort of) in the first game, but it wasn't a storyline designed for spinoffs... so when they made the spinoffs, I guess they had to slightly warp the facts of the first game :hmmm:

I hope what I just said makes more sense than the storyline... :8F:
 
Harlequin said:
But hold on a second..

If Aeris is part of the lifestream and had the power to heal the geostigma by summoning healing rain over Edge, how on Earth would Geostigma build and eventually thrive in the lifestream?

...Hideo was right :ffs:
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Lol, oh yeah. But I think Aerith has to summon it over earth. If she could heal Geostigma from within the lifestream she would have healed Cloud the first time she came to him. So maybe Aerith has to summon the water over living things so they can be healed?
 
Does this feel like a cop out to anyone other than me? :sad3:

I would have loved for SE to have put their scripting efforts into improving the nauseating FFXIII rather than finding new and improved ways to flog a dying horse.

Thanks for the explaination though ladies :wacky:
 
The water in the Church, and all around Cloud/Edge was Lifestream infused water. The Church was the place Aerith felt the strongest connection for her to speak to her mother and the planet in VII, because it was a close gap to an opening to the Lifestream, similar to Mideel.

When Meteor hit Midgar, it caused a huge clash with Holy, Lifestream, and Meteor which was Sephiroth's magic that was also Jenova oriented. Those that experienced the clash first hand, unprotected, either died, or got exposed to Geostigma, which is just Jenova disease.

In the ending FMV of VII, Sephiroth fights Cloud within the planet, their consciousness' duking it out. Sephiroth deteriorates and spreads throughout the lifestream... and although it's alluded that he simply died, it's from within the lifestream that his will lives on, and he can control the Remnants, and the Geostigma.

Sephiroth's will is so strong that he's able to control those diseased, even in death, and manipulates Loz/Kadaj/Yazoo to gather remaining Jenova cells to bring him back. From there, once he's manifested, he will use the dead/dying from Geostigma to create his own Negative Lifestream. The storm that occurs during the huge battle with Cloud once Sephiroth is brought back, IS ALL Negative Lifestream... The Negative Lifestream isn't within the planet, it's outside the planet and feeds off of the dying.
 
Kind of like Usurping the returning life force to the lifestream and taking and using its tainted nature to create a similar but unique energy force within the Planet?

Created in opposition to the LifeStream but not against it in a struggle for the planet, just another way for Sephiroth to complete his goal..........um who is Edge?

I found out about Edge myself, town north of Midgar huh?
 
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It's Lifestream infused. :monster: A lot of people argue/say that Aerith is using her Healing Rain/Great Gospel Limit Breaks to heal everybody, and essentially she is, she's just using some of the Lifestream within the water to heal everybody. Considering that the Lifestream is the essense of the Planet's life, I suppose it would only make sense that it would give back life/heal those who are wounded if they are exposed in small amounts to it.
 
But if the lifestream is what cures the negative LS which is Geostigma basically, doesn't that mean as soon as they hit the lifestream they'll be cured?

But if that were true, wouldn't that render Sephiroth's plan useless?
 
Wait... what? I'm confused. Dx

Geostigma = Neg LS

Church water = Good LS

The event that caused the Geostigma to even happen, is when Holy, Meteor and TLS all collided. This happened BECAUSE Sephiroth's will was still within TLS. He didn't die, because those with evil spirits and unfinished business don't dissipate into TLS until they come to terms with their death.

Sephiroth used himself, his Jenova Genetic make-up and the huge collision to spread the Jenova cells to all those nearby. If it didn't kill them, it infected them. Those who are infected, pass it on through physical touch as it's contagious.

However I don't think Sephiroth counted on Aerith to foil his plans... afterall, he killed her, right? He also probably didn't count on there being an area where it was concentrated with LS. He's never been to the church, he doesn't know it's there.

So if you're thinking as Sephiroth, what's going to stop you? You've just been resurrected, and with your resurrection you're bringing about utter chaos with your Neg LS tendrils that rain down upon Midgar, infecting those that hadn't been touched before, and probably killing those who were already infected. Cloud himself is also infected. There isn't anything that's going to stop you at this point, unless some miracle occurs...

Also keeping in mind, and this just occurred to me that I think I got what you were asking... The Neg LS and The Regular LS are two completely different things. TLS is the consciousness of the planet, however Sephiroth's Neg LS is merely a manifestation of the diseased dead souls fueled by Jenova cells from the collision of Midgar two years ago. The souls in Sephiroth's LS never reach the real LS, so they can't be cured by it.. only people who are still living and are touched by the Great Gospel water, are cured.
 
Hmm, okay, but Sephiroth is planning on controlling the good Lifestream through the Negative, that's the whole point in him causing it in the first place.
 
What? Where's that? VII is all about him using TLS to control the world and be a God... and the AC/C is about him using The Neg LS... the two don't really collide in either installment.
 
Channy said:
What? Where's that? VII is all about him using TLS to control the world and be a God... and the AC/C is about him using The Neg LS... the two don't really collide in either installment.
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In ADVENT CHILDREN, Sephiroth is able to control the lifestream through the negative lifestream. Or at least that's what he wants to do.:neomon:
 
I don't think that it states THAT though because his LS and the regular LS are two different things. xD
 
Channy said:
I don't think that it states THAT though because his LS and the regular LS are two different things. xD
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Well, that's what everything says. After all, Sephiroth's plan involves Sephiroth gaining control of the LS so he could roam the cosmos for his new "planet" or whatever.

EDIT: And how does everyone in ADVENT CHILDREN figure out what Sephiroth is doing? :mokken:
 
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