That's certainly a common occurance. Most of them don't actually attempt to get out, but instead attack as many staff members as they humanly can.
Make a public "banned users forum"?
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That's certainly a common occurance. Most of them don't actually attempt to get out, but instead attack as many staff members as they humanly can.
I totally agree with Riku on this one. Before you even register to become a member on FFF, you have to check the I agree to follow all FFF rules and such, and if it means that warnings and bannings are up to the moderators discretion, you're basically agreeing with that when you register.
Sometimes the staff needs to be a little more strict. I mean this is become a rather large forum and it's gotta be difficult at times expecially when we have those members who just feel that they need to cause drama and problems. I do think though that there should be a part of the forum where banned members can go to plead their cases to the staff to be unbanned, but the more freedom you give for members to do what they want, the more likely they are to abuse that freedom.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a public board that members can post at whether they are banned or not, but with a forum this size I don't really see how well it could work out since it is much more difficult to maintain a larger forum.
Sometimes the staff needs to be a little more strict. I mean this is become a rather large forum and it's gotta be difficult at times expecially when we have those members who just feel that they need to cause drama and problems. I do think though that there should be a part of the forum where banned members can go to plead their cases to the staff to be unbanned, but the more freedom you give for members to do what they want, the more likely they are to abuse that freedom.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a public board that members can post at whether they are banned or not, but with a forum this size I don't really see how well it could work out since it is much more difficult to maintain a larger forum.
I get what you mean. At first, I try to reason with the member and if they continue to fail to follow the rules, then I'll get harsh and give out bans. Simple as.
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Well in fairness, Zidank was recently banned for two years.
Is that a temp ban? It seems a bit long-winded for that.
It's actually really shaken my faith in the mods to be honest, because if someone can get banned so easily (yes i'm aware he did break the rules, but imo the length of the ban was too harsh). Particularly when he was given no chance to dispute it civilly.
Giving the ability to put forward a case (if they so desire) would be a welcome aspect (from my perspective) as we would hear both sides of the story. Both sides could argue out their cases and it could not be said that the Mod was overstepping their boundries/power tripping.
Infractions seem to be thrown around left right and centre (mostly merited but occasionally not) and when the infraction is disputed, their case falls upon deaf ears.
I know i'm new to this forum and i'm slowly starting to make friends on it, but banning people and practically 'terrorising' people into keeping such a rigid code of conduct is extremely counter productive to the site as a whole. It helps create a bad reputation and without a flow of new members, this FF site will lose it's edge as a whole.
A spam forum is for spam, yes there are rules to adhere too, but I always viewed the spam forum as a forum with more relaxed rules and a more of a laissez faire approach of moderation would be required.
This is all IMO by the way
Is that a temp ban? It seems a bit long-winded for that.
It's actually really shaken my faith in the mods to be honest, because if someone can get banned so easily (yes i'm aware he did break the rules, but imo the length of the ban was too harsh). Particularly when he was given no chance to dispute it civilly.
Giving the ability to put forward a case (if they so desire) would be a welcome aspect (from my perspective) as we would hear both sides of the story. Both sides could argue out their cases and it could not be said that the Mod was overstepping their boundries/power tripping.
Infractions seem to be thrown around left right and centre (mostly merited but occasionally not) and when the infraction is disputed, their case falls upon deaf ears.
I know i'm new to this forum and i'm slowly starting to make friends on it, but banning people and practically 'terrorising' people into keeping such a rigid code of conduct is extremely counter productive to the site as a whole. It helps create a bad reputation and without a flow of new members, this FF site will lose it's edge as a whole.
A spam forum is for spam, yes there are rules to adhere too, but I always viewed the spam forum as a forum with more relaxed rules and a more of a laissez faire approach of moderation would be required.
This is all IMO by the way
Yeah, I'm aware of that, however I think it should be public, there should be no Hyperlinking, IMG codes, no emotes, it'll be a prison, not a special forum just for them.
Members should be able to see the prison, not just admins, we don't know what goes on there you could be falsely banning someone sheerly because they don't agree with you. How do we know what is said there?
You see, this is the kind of post that is far more acceptable. When you get members mindlessly going after the staff and, possibly purposely, making their job as difficult as possible, the staff have no other choice but to punish the person. At the beginning, the rules were much less strict, but as the forum grows, there's less room for leniancy. The tight grip that the moderators have is what keeps the forum together.
By the way, two years banning is the typical length of time that the head Administrator, Darkblade, has told us to ban people for. If the members do not argue their cases/blow their chances, then the ban will become permanant. Alternatively, if the member if proven innocent/leniancy is given, the ban will be lifted.
The staff is quite capable of handling those who have been banned and argue their case in the District Prison. It could all turn nasty if this "special forum" is made for them. If they abuse their right to post, why should they even be allowed to post again apart from the District Prison? The staff is alone responsible for the site and we have to take care of things. We're the ones who look after the site after all.
Well, frankly, if you're not thrown into prison, then the situation generally has nothing to do with you. It's not anyone's "right" to be on the forums, it's a priveledge, and if members abuse that priveledge, then they are punished.
This could go on for a while.
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I've been arguing my ban in the district forum and you've been more responsive to this thread than the one in there. Understand that a two year ban is equivalent to a permaban. Do you really think, with all the other Final Fantasy related forums out there, anyone would return to this one after 2 years after the sort of treatment I've endured? It's absurd, and if you really claim that 2 years does not amount to a permanent ban, then you're clearly not being honest.
Moderators need to focus on punishing all flaming and only flaming. It's much easier to flame another member than a mod, and you really can't have a normal conversation with a mod because any criticism is perceived as completely negative, labelled a flame, and immediately punished. I've been insulted several times by two different moderators since I've arrived at the forum, and for retaliating I received what amounts to a permanent ban.
I'm certain you'll ban this alias as soon as I post this, and I'd like you to know I won't be returning to the forum unless I receive what I consider a proper consideration of my case. It's clear I'm not the only person who feels an injustice has been done here and all I want to do is be able to post on the board without being insulted or rather, at the very least, if I'm insulted I would like the right to retaliate publicly.
Thx guyz.
Moderators need to focus on punishing all flaming and only flaming. It's much easier to flame another member than a mod, and you really can't have a normal conversation with a mod because any criticism is perceived as completely negative, labelled a flame, and immediately punished. I've been insulted several times by two different moderators since I've arrived at the forum, and for retaliating I received what amounts to a permanent ban.
I'm certain you'll ban this alias as soon as I post this, and I'd like you to know I won't be returning to the forum unless I receive what I consider a proper consideration of my case. It's clear I'm not the only person who feels an injustice has been done here and all I want to do is be able to post on the board without being insulted or rather, at the very least, if I'm insulted I would like the right to retaliate publicly.
Thx guyz.
The staff have the final say in everything, I'm afraid. We'll ask the member's opinions in some cases of changes to the forums (even like Adamant who made this thread to ask for your views), but for banned member's cases? Not going to happen.
What Riku said is right. If we see people step out of line repeatedly, we have to ban them and wait for them to respond in the District Prison. If they don't respond, then we take it that they can't be bothered in the slightest.
EDIT: It's not just flaming we need to take care of, it's spam as well.
What Riku said is right. If we see people step out of line repeatedly, we have to ban them and wait for them to respond in the District Prison. If they don't respond, then we take it that they can't be bothered in the slightest.
EDIT: It's not just flaming we need to take care of, it's spam as well.
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WakkaWha?
Actually, I was banned in the spam forum, and if you look at the thread, it wasn't for flaming.
Zidank, aye? Duplicate accounts are against the rules. Now your chance has REALLY been blown.
And the grief you gave to Lady Aerith was ... justified? Retaliation is just as bad.
And members need to focus on the rules, which are to be enforced by the moderators. Would you tell a writer to focus only on one genre?
Naturally.
That's a two-way street, you know.
Is this even seriously a question? What do you people think the word banned even means. I also find it ironic that the first three posters and first three people in agreement, are some of the noticable spammers on here.
I think alot of members feel that some of the mods are allowed to insult us, but if we defend or insult back, we are the punished ones.
Hasn't happened to me personally, but I've had warnings.
Hasn't happened to me personally, but I've had warnings.
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It's rather an interesting discussion.
It's an interesting analogy you used there Riku, they may indeed be thrown in prison but there is always Press Coverage surrounding the situation. The public are generally always up to date with most of the dealings, like say IRL if someone is appealing against their sentence etc. coverage is given in the newspapers.
It would be interesting and indeed cement the fairness that the mods are expected to adhere to rather than secret ridden 'Nazi mods' that some other forums have.
And I completely understand where you are coming from Faith, but realistically if you were on our side, if someone gets banned and they still do argue out their case in this District Prison, how are we to know if (for example) they were prejudiced against in the prison? Unless we kept in contact with the member through means outside of the forum how else would we know how the member was treated?
Also, if for example we wanted to make a complaint about a mod, how would we go about doing so, and would the complaint be treated fairly or would we suffer prejudice for utilising our power of free speech.
But two years is an incredibly long time. It's essentially a perminent ban, because realistically if someone gets banned for that amount of time, more than likely they're not going to count down the days until they're allowed back onto the forum you know? If they're banned for that length of time, they're not going to come back and if for example they do come back after that time, more than likely no one will remember them.
I'm only posting about possibilities, I'm not trying to attack anyone or any system in case, i just want to make my thoughts known.
It's an interesting analogy you used there Riku, they may indeed be thrown in prison but there is always Press Coverage surrounding the situation. The public are generally always up to date with most of the dealings, like say IRL if someone is appealing against their sentence etc. coverage is given in the newspapers.
It would be interesting and indeed cement the fairness that the mods are expected to adhere to rather than secret ridden 'Nazi mods' that some other forums have.
And I completely understand where you are coming from Faith, but realistically if you were on our side, if someone gets banned and they still do argue out their case in this District Prison, how are we to know if (for example) they were prejudiced against in the prison? Unless we kept in contact with the member through means outside of the forum how else would we know how the member was treated?
Also, if for example we wanted to make a complaint about a mod, how would we go about doing so, and would the complaint be treated fairly or would we suffer prejudice for utilising our power of free speech.
But two years is an incredibly long time. It's essentially a perminent ban, because realistically if someone gets banned for that amount of time, more than likely they're not going to count down the days until they're allowed back onto the forum you know? If they're banned for that length of time, they're not going to come back and if for example they do come back after that time, more than likely no one will remember them.
I'm only posting about possibilities, I'm not trying to attack anyone or any system in case, i just want to make my thoughts known.
Look, the staff doesn't insult anyone, not even members. If we went around terrorising people and giving insults out, would Darkblade like that? No, we're only here to do our job after all. It would be a lot easier if you guys followed the rules and were friendly members of the community. Get where I'm coming from? We don't want to ban members, but if they step out of line ... then you know what must be done.
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Falsely banning someone sheerly because they don't agree with you? Lol, I really doubt that. The mods are fair enough, IMO. They would not ban anyone for no reason at all or just because they feel like it. And as Riku stated, what is being said shouldn't be our concern.
I mean, I know we all have friends here and wouldn't want to see them get banned. (Hah, I have to PM Aztec from time to time just and tell him to edit some post in case the mods ban him or give him infractions) So if you feel like what your friend say is out of line, even if it's said in jest, I'm sure you're allowed to tell them that and hopefully they'll edit their post and not do it again. In this case, you're helping to prevent any more bannings.
Therefore, you're helping the forums stay clean. It's all teamwork, guys.
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She does on like a daily basis. But yea, I don't think there should be any form of rewards for banned members. And helping people out isn't a bad plan...