Make a public "banned users forum"?
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At the end of the day, it's just an internet forum and, frankly, it's not something that should have enough drama within it to go on and accuse members of staff of being prejudiced towards a particular user.
This tells me that you actually haven't read the rules and guidelines, particularly of the Library Headquarters. It says, quite clearly, that users can make complaints about a member of staff, but in the correct fashion. I quite appreciate how you're posting, ShinRa, and it's the kind of post that would be acceptable. When you get people who attack staff, in any shape or form, that is deemed as unaccaptable and you are punished accordingly.
And as I said before, the member can post in Prison and put forward their case. The length of time is just a standard length that we have been instructed to instigate. Depending on how the banned member acts in prison, he is judged accordingly.
And this fashion of posting is much more appreciated.
Guys, in the end, the staff are the ones who decide what goes on. While we try to do whatever we can to listen to everyone, it's just not possible all the time. We appreciate your opinions and they are always considered, but the staff have the final say. I'm sorry, but if it's not acceptable enough for certain members, they know where the "log out" button is.
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Spyforshinra
Lady Aerith said:
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That strikes me as being provocation. It also contradicts the rules that were previously enforced (bad language).
It was indirectly implied that members were 'retarded' and that we were stooping low.
Even if that is taken in light spirit, and we 'retaliate' and say "No we're not 'retarded'", it could be argued that the wrath of the mod COULD be incurred.
Take whatever perception you want from it - it doesn't mean that he was able to publicly argue and antagonise her. There is a statement in the guidelines that you should not argue publically, but you can take things to PM and discuss things. Of course, the "correct fashion" of posting still counts.
Shinra in fairness to Lady Aerith - someone majorly flamed her first about the whole seducing thing which is why she retaliated the way she did - after all shes only human and its a natural reaction - if someone attacks your character you defend yourself.
And since this quote was what she was replying too i dont think she was out of line at all :
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. What LA said was right. It was pathetic after all since it had no proper purpose after all. The member was banned and now he is being dealt with, so there's nothing to worry about.
lol That thread was retarded... in a good way though. But don't harp on Lady Aerith. I know she posted earlier that it was only her and a few other people really helping out around here... but honestly, even though BustaMo is my best friend since childhood, no one puts more into these forums than her. I know a lot of the mods do a lot behind the scenes but she really is the best moderator we have, bar none.
Those quotes are a little harsh but they're definitely taken out of context. She's a good mod and a good person. She can be harsh... but only to people who deserve it. And I can say that even though she's had to slap my hands on occassion. I fully support her. I don't think I've ever seen a better mod in all my years on various forums... and that includes me when I was a mod on many other forums.
Those quotes are a little harsh but they're definitely taken out of context. She's a good mod and a good person. She can be harsh... but only to people who deserve it. And I can say that even though she's had to slap my hands on occassion. I fully support her. I don't think I've ever seen a better mod in all my years on various forums... and that includes me when I was a mod on many other forums.
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Spyforshinra
First of all, i just want to say thank you for hearing my thoughts out and treating me with respect. I really appreciate the time and effort (and i know i'm being slightly annoying. Sorry)
True it is just an internet forum, but even there respect is respect and if you give respect you should get respect and it generally heightens the entire experience as a whole you know?
Yes I know, even in real life with slander and libel laws it is very unprecedented to go around randomly spouting whatever's in your head. A level of tact is always needed.
Haha, i'm busted! I haven't read the rules (i was gonna get around to it! Really! Hehe).
I agree, making an attack on a mod isn't appropriate and by all means it should be confronted. But instead of jumping to the extreme punishment stages, you could always politely retaliate (i.e. not insult them) and debate it out instead of immediately jumping to the guns. Some situations (imo) need not be confronted.
Well at least you keep the final fantasy side of the site anyway
. Forgive my ignorance but what are the possible remedies to the district prison scenario? Is it a shortened ban? Release? Overall Ban or still put on suspension with another 'hearing'.
And have many people successfully gotten out of prison?
That's also true, i'm not interested in leaving, I doubt I will (because this place is pretty nifty!), but the same with all situations in life, if you don't stand up for yourself (or your people) at times people will walk all over you (not that i'm saying this is happening), i'm just wanting to have my voice to be heard tbh
True it is just an internet forum, but even there respect is respect and if you give respect you should get respect and it generally heightens the entire experience as a whole you know?
Yes I know, even in real life with slander and libel laws it is very unprecedented to go around randomly spouting whatever's in your head. A level of tact is always needed.
Haha, i'm busted! I haven't read the rules (i was gonna get around to it! Really! Hehe).
I agree, making an attack on a mod isn't appropriate and by all means it should be confronted. But instead of jumping to the extreme punishment stages, you could always politely retaliate (i.e. not insult them) and debate it out instead of immediately jumping to the guns. Some situations (imo) need not be confronted.
Well at least you keep the final fantasy side of the site anyway
. Forgive my ignorance but what are the possible remedies to the district prison scenario? Is it a shortened ban? Release? Overall Ban or still put on suspension with another 'hearing'. And have many people successfully gotten out of prison?
That's also true, i'm not interested in leaving, I doubt I will (because this place is pretty nifty!), but the same with all situations in life, if you don't stand up for yourself (or your people) at times people will walk all over you (not that i'm saying this is happening), i'm just wanting to have my voice to be heard tbh
And I assure you, the same can be said for the events of the District Prison.
To be honest, I didn't read them until I had to re-write them
They're mostly just common sense anyway.I quite agree. If you PM Zadank, I'm sure he'd quote my post to you, which shows that I am certainly in consideration of allowing him back.
You've pretty much guessed it. Rocket science, it is not xDWell at least you keep the final fantasy side of the site anyway
Only a handful of people have been released - but then, little more people have posted an argument.
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Well I apologise for singling out Lady A, but that was the most recent example I could think of.
Not to be nitpicky but who should initiate this PM? the member or the mod?
Yes, I completely agree with you, she was provoked, and I do think that was unfair. However she retaliated. As a mod, she should have tried to nip it in the bud. Possibly by entering into an AIM conversation or PMing the members (for an example), but directly retaliating with the member is from what I hear, a breach in the rules of the forum.
To play devils advocate, Dark Tifa's comment could be taken either way. Either negatively in a jokey manner. Perhaps she was out of hand, but then again it is a spam forum. But you could see Lady A's perspective.
Yes. The thread had no proper purpose. As it was Spam, in the spam colliseum. So fair game, no?
I won't argue with you there man. She seems to be a very efficient mod, it is a lot for her to take on in chunk though.
The quotes are harsh? They were direct quotes man. I'm not saying she's a bad mod (i'm in absolutely no position to!) but as a newbie to the forum, a Mod acting in such a manner does not..... how can I say, cement my security on the forum. To put it like this, if Lady A were to post in my thread I would have to be extra conscious of what I'm posting.
A type of 'fear' like that, isn't a nice environment to be participating in imo.
Riku said:
Not to be nitpicky but who should initiate this PM? the member or the mod?
Aeris Gainsborough said:
Yes, I completely agree with you, she was provoked, and I do think that was unfair. However she retaliated. As a mod, she should have tried to nip it in the bud. Possibly by entering into an AIM conversation or PMing the members (for an example), but directly retaliating with the member is from what I hear, a breach in the rules of the forum.
To play devils advocate, Dark Tifa's comment could be taken either way. Either negatively in a jokey manner. Perhaps she was out of hand, but then again it is a spam forum. But you could see Lady A's perspective.
Faith said:
Yes. The thread had no proper purpose. As it was Spam, in the spam colliseum. So fair game, no?
Aztec Triogal said:
I won't argue with you there man. She seems to be a very efficient mod, it is a lot for her to take on in chunk though.
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The quotes are harsh? They were direct quotes man. I'm not saying she's a bad mod (i'm in absolutely no position to!) but as a newbie to the forum, a Mod acting in such a manner does not..... how can I say, cement my security on the forum. To put it like this, if Lady A were to post in my thread I would have to be extra conscious of what I'm posting.
A type of 'fear' like that, isn't a nice environment to be participating in imo.
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Spyforshinra
Eh? no Spam in the designated Spam forum?
Messing around spam is fine, but ... stupid, idiotic spam is out of the picture. I don't just mean posts either, I'm talking about images and stuff, too.
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But isn't that what Spam is?
Speaking of spam, I think the topic has been severely de-railed, from a gathering of opinions to criticism of protocol
As a way of trying to stanch the off-topic banter, I can say that Zidank will, most likely, be given his second chance [it all depends on the few moderators who have yet to post in his thread].
As a way of trying to stanch the off-topic banter, I can say that Zidank will, most likely, be given his second chance [it all depends on the few moderators who have yet to post in his thread].
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Spyforshinra
Speaking of spam, I think the topic has been severely de-railed, from a gathering of opinions to criticism of protocol
As a way of trying to stanch the off-topic banter, I can say that Zidank will, most likely, be given his second chance [it all depends on the few moderators who have yet to post in his thread].
Hooray for democracy!!!
Well you do make a point Faith, which is why it's kinda escalated into this.
Although to be honest i'm really enjoying this clean cut discussion
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I agree with you 100% there. I thought that it was out of hand as well and unnecessary. I felt like we were promoting sexuality here. This is an FF forum. Sure, it wouldn't hurt to make spam threads every now and then, but lately we've had way too many, and they seem kinda pointless. Like I said, we have kids in here as well, even though there seems to be a majority of 15-20 age group. Those pictures and images can be taken to MSN.
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Alright, I'm here now. I acknowledge I made a mistake, but I had already been horribly insulted by another member previously and to come into that thread and see that after it had been reported, it just sent me over the edge. Sure I wasn't in the right saying what I did, but still, I had had it with members insulting me, flaming me and degrading me for doing my job. You think I'm harsh??? You should have been here when Tethar Atrum was a Global Mod. He was a hell of a lot worse than you could ever see me possibly be. I usually give atleast 2 or 3 chances before I give anybody any type of warning or infraction. I do my best to be fair but as you all also know here lately I've been the only G-Mod who has been on this forum working her butt off to keep all of the drama, spam and flaming out of here the best that I possibly can plus numerous other jobs I have to do as a GMod. I'm human, I make mistakes and just because I may seem like a harsh Mod, does not mean that I don't have feelings because I do and they were hurt today, a lot by some of you members that I won't name names. I wasn't insulting anybody, I was just trying to stand up for myself because I was fed up with being picked on by people.
I'm sure every mod on the forum is uniting against this proposal, but I'm trying to get the opinions the non-partisan members here. This wouldn't be a spam board, this would be a unique thought board. Heck, you could just make the prison board open for everybody if you don't want to make a new board.