Love or Hate

[Korytco]

Love or hate which is stronger?

This is how I see it not necessarily how you see it.

Love is a powerful notion that keeps you strong in spirits and passionate. Creates and supports relationships and makes them lasting. Makes a committed man or woman . Makes a child's life innocent, magical. Makes a beast more organic and positively significant . Tames wild animals. Gives hope to a future. Gives more significance to the life around you.


Hate , is it really all that different? You could argue that they could be seen together love and hate. You could love to hate but call it something else.
Hate is powerful it keeps you strong , revengeful and passionate. Creates some relationships but engulfs another in bitter rage and passion. Makes a tempered man or woman, with resolve and ambitions , dangerous. Makes a spoiled child, full of life and eagerly wanting more,regardless of what is right or wrong, not innocent but arrogant and dissatisfied . Makes a beast too organic and too animalisitic and too negatively significant. Lets wild animals roam free. Takes hope away for a future and leaves only spite . Warps the significance of the life around you.

 

[Bambi]

I think love and hate are exactly the same really. They are both powerful emotions where you think about someone..er..passionately only ones good the other isn't

Well, tbh, Im not sure if either are good actually. If you love/hate someone the fuckers take over your mind til you get it out of your system

 

[Erythritol]

To me, they're equal. Honestly though, I think hate feels more like a poison. Unless you get rid of it, it just seems to spread and make you feel more twisted and burdened. For me, it's almost painful to hate someone. I try not to ever hate people, because it usually hurts me more than it hurts them. It's just not worth it. Really, nothing good ever comes of hate.

Love can be really beautiful. However, it can, like hate, become obsessive and out of control. It can also be just as painful, as we all know. I think more good things come of love, however...

I agree with the idea that love and hate are very thinly separated. For either, you need to have a very strong emotional investment in something/someone.

 

[Leki]

To me, they're equal. Honestly though, I think hate feels more like a poison. Unless you get rid of it, it just seems to spread and make you feel more twisted and burdened. For me, it's almost painful to hate someone. I try not to ever hate people, because it usually hurts me more than it hurts them. It's just not worth it. Really, nothing good ever comes of hate.

Love can be really beautiful. However, it can, like hate, become obsessive and out of control. It can also be just as painful, as we all know. I think more good things come of love, however...

I agree with the idea that love and hate are very thinly separated. For either, you need to have a very strong emotional investment in something/someone.

Leki agrees with what you just said.

As they say, 'With the greatest love comes the greatest hate.' If you have the capabilitity to love so much, then you also have the capabilitiy to hate just as much. It just differs from person to person, and to whom the emotions are directed at.

Love can make you crazy, and push you to do things for the one you love. Hate can make you spiteful, and make you go out of your way to harm.

Equal, I voted.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Neither, both, love and hate are equally balanced as they are fueled by our emotions, meaning that, the stronger the emotion, the stronger either hate or love will become. The concept of "love" and "hate" was created just to name a reaction born out of human emotions, so since they come from the same source, they are equal. For example, massacres were made by hate, as well as many tragedies were born out of defending "love". Added to that, there's only a small line which separates "love" from "hatred", meaning that we could feel one or the other at any moment. The only thing that might, perhaps make "hatred" more terrifying, it is the destructive power it has on our souls. Hatred poisons our hearts and minds, controls us, feed us with anger and adrenaline to blind our reasoning and drive us to commit the worst mistakes.

 

[Mitsuki]

I too believe that it is both equal. It is both easy and hard to love and hate someone or something (love doesn't always have to be of a romantic nature), as it all depends on your thoughts and emotions. Neither is stronger than the other because all comes down to what you really feel, and acting out on that feeling. One day you may feel love toward someone, so much that you'd die for that person. The next day you may also feel a deep hostility towards that same person, so much that you'd like to kill a certain someone. (A negative example nonetheless, but you get the idea.)

 

[der Astronom]

I don't entirely know whether to think of hate or love as being more insane or absurd than the other, because they really are both insane and absurd. People are driven to doing and acting out the most ridiculous and illogical things, and all because of hate or love. It makes little difference at all to me, except they say that hate is less healthy than love--but love can be just as dangerous as well.

 

[Donald Trump]

I don't entirely know whether to think of hate or love as being more insane or absurd than the other, because they really are both insane and absurd. People are driven to doing and acting out the most ridiculous and illogical things, and all because of hate or love. It makes little difference at all to me, except they say that hate is less healthy than love--but love can be just as dangerous as well.

illogical but not insane, we do things we wouldnt normally for love, but that doesnt make it insane imo.

As to which is stronger, i'd say that would depend on each person, so it's really personal, not universal.

I think its much easier to measure hate then love, hate leads to destructive acts ie holocaust, love leads to many different acts ie romeo and juliet. Or kids and a life of happiness, which isnt measurable

 

[der Astronom]

In my opinion, it's insane though because it's not rational.

 

[Donald Trump]

but i dont think irrationality equates to insanity.

also what you are doing is for happiness, so its not all that irrational.

and you could have good reasons to love or hate someone

 

[der Astronom]

And you may mistaken that happiness for someone using you, as are various cases for love having failed. It is because you love someone to such an extent that you fail to see if or when they might be deceiving you, or even the possibility that a love relationship might not work. Then it is irrational.

I have my opinion that irrationality on some level is insanity, but you may choose not to believe me, since it's been admitted that insanity is too subjective to have only one definition.

 

[Donald Trump]

And you may mistaken that happiness for someone using you, as are various cases for love having failed. It is because you love someone to such an extent that you fail to see if or when they might be deceiving you, or even the possibility that a love relationship might not work. Then it is irrational.

thats a very negative view of love though.
Also there are three types of love:
Eros as passionate love, and
Agape which is the love like that of a mother and child, and there is nothing negative, and
philia which is similar to eros.

the examples you are giving are negative.
Love is beautiful and it has many positives, if you choose to see it negatively well that is your own decision

 

[der Astronom]

Well, I presumed we were talking about romantic love, which probably refers to Eros and philia; there's nothing peculiarly "insane" about liking other people as mere friends.

If you think I'm being negative, that's your problem. I simply choose to be more realistic about the downsides of love. Don't think it won't have its thorns. In my personal opinion, I don't believe that romantic love is worth it.

 

[Donald Trump]

it isnt liking, its love, another example then religious people and the love they feel for their god.
or the way i love led zeppelin, it's still love and can be interpersonal as well.

I'm not ignoring the negative aspects of love, its not a lack of realism on my part. But you are ignoring the positives of love to prove your point that it's irrational.

I don't believe that romantic love is worth it.

thats cool, that's your view, i dont agree with it but hey, who am i to disagree anyway.

 

[der Astronom]

Not ignoring, but that the positives aren't weighty enough to persuade me it's worth it. In any given aspect of life, you may say it has good things and bad things about it, but if the bad things overshadow the good, it's not worth it.

It's like winning the lottery is a good thing because then you have lots of money, but the probability of winning is really low, so in the end, it's not worth it. But that's just an analogy.

 

[Donald Trump]

Not ignoring, but that the positives aren't weighty enough to persuade me it's worth it. In any given aspect of life, you may say it has good things and bad things about it, but if the bad things overshadow the good, it's not worth it.

It's like winning the lottery is a good thing because then you have lots of money, but the probability of winning is really low, so in the end, it's not worth it. But that's just an analogy.

except with love you choose, its not based on chance.
also with the lottery you dont always win all the money but you do win other sums of money, this applies to love as well, you might not find your soulmate, but that doesnt exclude you from finding someone you care for a great deal and would really like to spend the rest of your life with.

Plus love is beautiful and it creates beauty, and to me beauty is worth feeling pain for sometimes

 

[der Astronom]

Well, the pain in my opinion is worse than the beauty is good. So in the end, it's not worth it to me.

You say that we choose who we love, but we may also choose wrong, and in the clutches of love, may have difficulty realizing it, in lack of rationality. And this is the danger I'd rather not go through. I value rationality above all else, and to lose it means more to me than love ever did.

 

[Donald Trump]

I value rationality above all else, and to lose it means more to me than love ever did.

Thats where we differ, i value experiencing life above all else, the pain, the beauty, the whole experience of it.
I'd much rather wind up heart broken then being rational.

But when the melancholy fit shall fall
Sudden from heaven like a weeping cloud,
That fosters the droop-headed flowers all,
And hides the green hill in an April shroud;
Then glut thy sorrow on a morning rose,
Or on the rainbow of the salt sand-wave,
Or on the wealth of globèd peonies;
Or if thy mistress some rich anger shows,
Emprison her soft hand, and let her rave,
And feed deep, deep upon her peerless eyes.

She dwells with Beauty—Beauty that must die;
And Joy, whose hand is ever at his lips
Bidding adieu; and aching Pleasure nigh,
Turning to poison while the bee-mouth sips:
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine,
Though seen of none save him whose strenuous tongue
Can burst Joy's grape against his palate fine;
His soul shall taste the sadness of her might,
And be among her cloudy trophies hung.

Keats says it much better than i can

 

[der Astronom]

I should probably tell you that I suck at reading poetry, because I can't garner anything beyond a literal reading. In some cases, metaphorical contexts might be obvious when it's simple and common, but that doesn't always happen in poetry.

So I'm not sure I get much more than the fact that you actually want to feel this pain.

 

[Donald Trump]

I should probably tell you that I suck at reading poetry, because I can't garner anything beyond a literal reading. In some cases, metaphorical contexts might be obvious when it's simple and common, but that doesn't always happen in poetry.

So I'm not sure I get much more than the fact that you actually want to feel this pain.

i missed out the first stanza, but its not too important.

Its more like pain and pleasure are inextricably linked, when you feel one you feel another.
so by experiencing pain, some of than pain is pleasure.
Though not in a masochistic way.
so feeling pain isnt that bad, as its a natural part of life