Cops and Marijuana

[JesusVsThePolice]

For many years, Marijuana has been placed under a bad light. Most of us have been led to believe that it is bad for us, when in reality, it actually isn't bad at all. It has many kinds of uses and benefits for humans.

Roughly, about 435,000 people die from smoking a year, 85,000 from alcohol, and ZERO from Marijuana. That's right. Zero. Yet, it's still illegal and many good people are getting arrested and getting a criminal record for its uses.


Which brings me to my question. How do you feel about Marijuana and how the law will go about to obtain it and arrest it's users? This is mainly for the people who only use/grow marijuana for their personal use. I also have a video for you to watch.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc

This video shows a search warrant served by the Columbia Mo. police department. The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call "a small amount of marijuana" (meaning less than a few grams). We here in Comlumbia want everyone to know what kind of police department we have here, check out our "finest" in action.

All this over a plant...

The SWAT team found this to be a threat.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Dude, that is the most biggest over reaction in the history of stupid white people with guns! A little puppy/dog like that got wasted because of a mentality revolving around this premise of

"don't wait for the light of there eyes,just ventilate everything"

That might be a little unfair to the "cops" but itchy trigger fingers can do a lot of damage, with standing orders to kill all canines when heard/observed or confirmed
on the premises, these situations can go easily wrong.

They think this is SOP they must cutting into there busts or something?
With the dog caged they only would have heard it's barking at intruders in its masters home an understandable reaction from the animal.

To avoid these kind of accidents from occurring in the future DESIGNATED officers need to be given Tranq-Darts for specified animal targets to avoid the useless loss of life be it human or Animal.

Proper oversight is needed when dealing with unconfirmed cases of drug possession and other regulated substances narcotics and hallucingens(its a word) there are always thing that can go wrong in these situation. Not everything can be accounted for so adaptive procedures need to be in place.

Also 7 or 8 guys with Body armor and MP5's busting into your house for what turned out to be a small amount of Maj, would not usually be a bad thing if it were a significant amount of Maj,it would not cause such an uproar, but its the loss of life they would have had there asses torn of for had it gone wrong......human or animal.

Poorly trained people supposedly trying to do the right thing?

 

[Dionysos]

I'm struggling to believe that this is real. Why would they film themselves doing this raid, and why did they keep the tape after it obviously turned into a disaster? Though it probably is and is being treated as real so I'll just assume it is. (EDIT - unless it was an undercover investigation, and one of the cops was seeking to reveal how inadequate the police handling of raids is).

That is absolutely awful police work. You don't just waltz into somebodies house and shoot their dogs. I understand it if the police seriously feel threatened, and their lives were at stake, but seriously? The cops were all armoured, the bulldog was in a cage, and the other one was a corgi. The most they could have done, as far as I can see, is gnaw at their trousers and cause a slight annoyance. From what we heard on that video those shots were fired far too easily. I can't see what they thought the threat was. Obviously the dogs are going to bark when shouting cops with guns burst into the house at night and wake them up, and obviously the reaction of the dogs might be to try and act aggressive towards the policemen so that they will leave. If the police don't allow for this in their training then they should, as they can't just burst into a house and shoot dogs just because they may have been a threat. A tranquiliser dart would have done nicely, if they really had to stop the dogs. They should know that the reason the dogs were barking was because of them, and therefore it wasn't right to shoot them at all.

I think they definitely went OTT with that, and any similar raids like this that have occurred.

 

[Madaraki]

First off; that corgi is adorable

Did a wee bit of digging on this one and found out a few things. First off; it does indeed seem to have been real. I've found articles about it on several sites, including The Columbia Daily Tribune.

1: The corgi is alive. Apparently the police are lousy shots and it was only wounded.

2: The raid was carried out at 8:30 pm at night, when the wife and kids were also home. The Police claims to have been acting then because they believed it would be the best time to go in before the drugs could be distributed and have added that if the arrest could have been carried out the following day in broad daylight while the rest of the family was out; they'd have done it.

3: The use of a SWAT team and the number of officers was justified because drug owners do have a history of going "armed and dangerous".


My input on those:

1: Y'know when you see that the only people in the house are a mom, dad, and kids; none of whom are armed, I'm pretty sure you can just have one officer uh, you know, put the little guy in another room and close the door? It might take a bit more effort, but it looks better to the public.

2: I don't claim to be an expert on how drug raids are planned and carried out. The police claim to have been acting on the most up to date information, but if they wanted to act "before the drugs could be distributed"...what would've stopped them from staking out the house at night, and going in the following morning?

3: By the time you have the mother and children cowering in a corner, the dad in handcuffs, and guns aimed at every possible entryway, I'm pretty sure you're reasonably secure. The constant bellowing and yelling there felt like a Rambo movie.


So overall, it does indeed amount to poor planning and overreaction. I'm with GF on the idea of simply using tranquilizers for animals or if the police must feel more secure around Corgis; tazers.

As for marijuana; I don't care if the yearly death rate from it is 0. I have asthma that's easily aggravated by stuff like cigarettes and incense and I'm never going near the stuff.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

The only thing they messed up is with those dogs....they had no right, they had a warrant, so the raid must have been planned thoroughly before, but with those dogs they went too far....

Marijuana = 0 people die , yet you need to mix it with tobacco to smoke it right? or do you guys smoke it pure...xD

SILLY AMERICANS sigh....no offense.

 

[JesusVsThePolice]

The only thing they messed up is with those dogs....they had no right, they had a warrant, so the raid must have been planned thoroughly before, but with those dogs they went too far....

Marijuana = 0 people die , yet you need to mix it with tobacco to smoke it right? or do you guys smoke it pure...xD

SILLY AMERICANS sigh....no offense.

From my understanding, they just went off someone's word. They didn't do any investigating, watching or anything. They just got a warrant and busted into the house.

You don't need to mix Marijuana with tobacco to smoke it, at least I never have.

As for marijuana; I don't care if the yearly death rate from it is 0. I have asthma that's easily aggravated by stuff like cigarettes and incense and I'm never going near the stuff.

Understandable. But some studies say that smoking Marijuana opens air ways where as Tobacco restricts them. I've also known people on steroid inhalers who stopped using them because they felt Marijuana was better. (And cheaper) But everyone is different, so who knows?

 

[Valvalis]

I do think it's silly that cigarettes are legal and marijuana is not when based on the health studies I've heard marijuana is actually healthier. I've never tried any of it myself though

 

[JesusVsThePolice]

I do think it's silly that cigarettes are legal and marijuana is not when based on the health studies I've heard marijuana is actually healthier. I've never tried any of it myself though

If you can get it, you should try it. It's best to get it through a friend you can trust.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoK6NztH3eQ

This is quite possibly the best weed documentary I've ever seen. I don't know many people that like Documentaries, but I love them. And if you're into knowing the truth, you should def. check it out.

 

[Shu]

Dude, that is the most biggest over reaction in the history of stupid white people with guns

I don't think race had anything to do with this. Just say "stupid people" with guns.

SILLY AMERICANS sigh....no offense.

Happens everywhere where Agencies are involved bub, I've heard a lot worse in other countries as well as America. This in general was just another stupid act by a bunch of stupid folks with guns.

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Also I believe the dog is dead despite what the sources say. A lot of sources like to cover the Police's backs by lying but, in this case it ain't hard to tell that the owner's dog is dead in front of him.

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To the OP, Legalization is the question right? I would say yes. Hopefully this would eliminate all the stupid drunks from the world. Meaning what's the most harm someone has done on weed compared to while drinking? Drinking in the wrong hands has always carried out the most stupid/harmful plans. While smoking means the person eats a whole bag of cereal, has sex, and then plays a video game/watches a movie till they pass out. I'm not trying to make weed sound very positive, but the mental fluxes that are caused by the two are on different ends of the spectrum. One works as a depressent, that if in the wrong hands can be very detrimental (liver damage, brain damage, hurting other people, drinking and driving), while the other is an upper that to my knowledge can only screw up your lunges. One is entirely addictive, the other has no addiction at all. One kills brain cells (alcohol), the other blocks receptors in the brain for a short amount of time (THC).

With this legal as well there could be a tax put on it that would actually help the government.

I don't smoke, but I know it acts as medication to some folks for their mental instabilities. I'd rather a person smoke the rest of their lives then take it (suicide), due to being chemically inbalanced (something they have no control over).

I'm too into sports to actually smoke also I have a job that requires large bouts of Meetings, as well as being married.. but I support the legalization for other folks.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

From my understanding, they just went off someone's word. They didn't do any investigating, watching or anything. They just got a warrant and busted into the house.

You don't need to mix Marijuana with tobacco to smoke it, at least I never have.

For real? Here in Holland everyone mixes it with a quarter tobacco, or it wont burn proper. Personally I used to put a lot of tobacco in my joints (I dont smoke weed/hash anymore, I quit that shit for like 1,5 years now and im proud of it lol)

Like rollerpaper = ricepaper = mixed with quarter tobacco for weed or hash.
BLUNTS on the other hand = pure weed/hash.

But how do you fix your joints then? also rollerpaper right? or you smoke blunts all the time, here in Holland we usually use ricerollerpaper, occasionally Blunts. Its like blunts we use for special occasions.

 

[blakstang98]

I'm not a marijuana smoker, but I honestly don't see the issue in it. My best friend is a marijuana smoker and he has no medical problems relating to it. I'm also a believe that tobacco isn't a big deal and that it's completely overblown, but thats a topic for another day. Nobody has ever died from overdosing on marijuana, so there's no real argument for why it should be illegal in the first place. It's not like other drugs, like herion for instance where it just completely messes you up. It just makes you mellow for an hour or say and you're fine. It won't even impair your judgement, it has a minimal effect at best.

As a result of my argument, I support legalization of it. The government can tax it and they can sell it at stores. That'll make less problems for smokers, as they don't have to connect with a shady dealer for their fix, so it would be much safer. Probably the thing that makes it less likely to happen is that tobacco (a legal product) is slowly being turned to an illegal substance. This is again, another issue I could talk heavily about and rant about, but I'll take the high road. So I support legalization as well if they decide to put the law into effect.

 

[JesusVsThePolice]

I don't think race had anything to do with this. Just say "stupid people" with guns.



Happens everywhere where Agencies are involved bub, I've heard a lot worse in other countries as well as America. This in general was just another stupid act by a bunch of stupid folks with guns.

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Also I believe the dog is dead despite what the sources say. A lot of sources like to cover the Police's backs by lying but, in this case it ain't hard to tell that the owner's dog is dead in front of him.

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To the OP, Legalization is the question right? I would say yes. Hopefully this would eliminate all the stupid drunks from the world. Meaning what's the most harm someone has done on weed compared to while drinking? Drinking in the wrong hands has always carried out the most stupid/harmful plans. While smoking means the person eats a whole bag of cereal, has sex, and then plays a video game/watches a movie till they pass out. I'm not trying to make weed sound very positive, but the mental fluxes that are caused by the two are on different ends of the spectrum. One works as a depressent, that if in the wrong hands can be very detrimental (liver damage, brain damage, hurting other people, drinking and driving), while the other is an upper that to my knowledge can only screw up your lunges. One is entirely addictive, the other has no addiction at all. One kills brain cells (alcohol), the other blocks receptors in the brain for a short amount of time (THC).

With this legal as well there could be a tax put on it that would actually help the government.

I don't smoke, but I know it acts as medication to some folks for their mental instabilities. I'd rather a person smoke the rest of their lives then take it (suicide), due to being chemically inbalanced (something they have no control over).

I'm too into sports to actually smoke also I have a job that requires large bouts of Meetings, as well as being married.. but I support the legalization for other folks.

There was actually two dogs, one was shot and killed, the other was shot and injured, but still alive. But who knows, you might be right, they might be both dead.

It's going to be tough to get it legal. I mean, the govt. wants it illegal and so do drug dealers. If you were making over 100,000 dollars tax free a year, would you want it legal? But I really hope it does become legal. I don't really think it'll stop people from drinking though, maybe some. But it's funny when you see someone who has a beer and cigarette in their hand saying, "I don't do drugs!" Just because something has a label and a barcode doesn't mean it's not a drug. All those ads you see, like with the dog who says, "I wish you wouldn't do drugs." are made by Partnership for a drug free america and you know who funds Partnership for a drug free america? Alcohol. Go figure.

But I believe the good effects of Marijuana far outweigh the bad.

But how do you fix your joints then? also rollerpaper right? or you smoke blunts all the time, here in Holland we usually use ricerollerpaper, occasionally Blunts. Its like blunts we use for special occasions.

I've never been a fan of blunts and joints. But when we bought blunts, we'd gut all the tobacco out, throw it away and load it with weed. I'm a much bigger fan of bowls, just pack it in and smoke it. Even though it would probably be best to get a vaporizer and smoke from that.

Found this. Alex Jones talks about the incident and the govt. Interesting stuff. Last about 11 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WcuYafh1ek

Alex Jones puts into perspective the radical behavior of SWAT teams and other government enforcement agencies who recently raided and terrorized a family and killed two dogs in order to bust a man for one gram of marijuana.

At the same time, the CIA and other agencies of government have admittedly carried out narcotrafficking operations for decades. This is especially true in Afghanistan, where troops guard opium crops, and the fight against the Taliban and al qaeda is mired in drug trafficking.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Im sorry l meant to say "caucasian males with suspected mental imbalance carrying projectile weapons". lts hard to be PC when its right there in your face Shu but the race of these men had naught to do with it, ore maybe it did? Who knows.

This sure is a tough one l dont see why its illegal like the man says, just coz it has a label dont mean its good for you. You cant really regulate drugs of addiction from people, they will always find a way to obtain said drugs.

And pricing tobacco higher and higher deosn't work people will spend what they have to for a fix, l know people who are unemployed with families, that spend a lot of there benefits on Tobacco and Alcohol, you cant stop them and they will continue to put there desires ahead of there families needs.

As for Marijuana being legalized, yeah sure why not its just one more way for humans to enjoy themselves and these days you need that more than ever.....l reckon!.

I dont use recreational drugs, my scientific background kinda puts it in the "better left alone" category, but if you guys wanna get high go for lives and enjoy it lol!

BTW smokes are upto $27 a packet here in Australia next the Gov wants to make $35.

 

[Mota_Moogle<3]

ew, tobbaco is gross. I would NEVER mix it with my budski.
Maby mix HASH with bud. witch ive done lol.

and also most tobbacco companies dont JUST use tobbaco, They have this huge process where they have this big thing full of tobbacco juice and they soak these huge peices of papers in them, then dry them, then crumple the tobbaco soaked paper when its dry and thats what you smoke also with alot of other chemicals.

If ima smoke, it might as well be worth it, the effects of marijuana are way more worth the danger than the effects if tobbacco.

Ive never thrown up from pot, nor has it made me sik. Tobbacco HAs made me puke AND made me sik.