[20/06] Motomu Toriyama hints at a possible new Final Fantasy XIII game

[Nocturne]

How did XIII-2 forget the mythos? It referenced the Gods etc and worked within the story.

XIII isnt the best FF but people exaggerate how bad they feel the game is and then praise the games in the series it is most like. I also dont buy this whole, if it comes out before Versus, Im boycotting anything SE. Utter BS.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

They were pretty bad in general standards. XIII lacked great gameplay and interactive story, a good basis for any rpg.

And ffXIII-2 had a complete 180. The story just jumped into something random. Comparing ffX-2 to XIII-2 i would have to say at least ffx-2 connects to the original.

They nearly forgotten the mythos of 13 on this one.


The only way to like these games is by not connecting them together. Ff13 ended. Ff13-2 vomits over the ending and makes it lose its meaning. I actually enjoyed the ending of13. I thought it was the few things they did right. But now ff13 continues to be an acid trip.

The world is nearly impossible to understand. Its all style no substance. 13-2 has small changes. Cinematic scenes were good but they didnt find the right balance.


Toriyama just needs to be demoted.

I disagree. FFXIII is generally regarded as a decent game. The problem lies in the fact that it's a lackluster FF game. You can argue it's also a lackluster RPG. I can see your point on that. But from what I saw of FFXIII-2, there is a connection to the previous game. It's just that timeline jumping shit made things confusing and undid what happened in the original game. FFXIII-2 had just as much to do with FFXIII as X-2 did with X. I really don't see how your argument works out in this case. And the mythos? FFXIII-2 actually explained the mythos and gods a lot more than FFXIII did.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

You dont see me bashing FFXIII praisers/fans in this thread right? I bash SE and the FF13 universe. Instead on posting about the article/thread you reply about other people's statements. I know you like FF13 so much, but that doesnt mean you can reply in such an utter BS manner. I just dont understand why FF13 fans wanted a sequel and now a third...... Is it tht good? Also he said NEARLY btw, dont get so defensive.

 

[Nocturne]

You dont see me bashing FFXIII praisers/fans in this thread right? I bash SE and the FF13 universe. Instead on posting about the article/thread you reply about other people's statements. I know you like FF13 so much, but that doesnt mean you can reply in such an utter BS manner. I just dont understand why FF13 fans wanted a sequel and now a third...... Is it tht good? Also he said NEARLY btw, dont get so defensive.

Who bashed anyone? No one did, so I have no idea where you are getting that. A forum is for posting about said article and debating what others say on said forum, so what's wrong with posting about other people's statements? Nothing.

By saying nearly, it is implying that it barely had anything to do with the first game and the foundation it laid out. Which as the other poster stated, it actually did go much more in depth about the mythos than the first game did, or at least just as much. The only one getting defensive about anything is you.

I cant speak for anyone else, but I dont think FFXIII is great, but I do think it and its sequel are good. Better than some of the other Final Fantasy games. Perfect, no, but not nearly as bad as the mass video game media and the people who bitch about anything SE related think it is.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

You dont see me bashing FFXIII praisers/fans in this thread right? I bash SE and the FF13 universe. Instead on posting about the article/thread you reply about other people's statements. I know you like FF13 so much, but that doesnt mean you can reply in such an utter BS manner. I just dont understand why FF13 fans wanted a sequel and now a third...... Is it tht good? Also he said NEARLY btw, dont get so defensive.

Not really sure who this is geared towards....if it's me, I don't "like" FF13. It's one of my least favorite in the series. And from what I've read so far in this thread....no one is really getting defensive. I just thought the notion of "FFXIII-2 has nothing to do with FFXIII" was a bit....I don't want to use the word "wrong", but I thought it was inaccurate. Same with the mythos statement.

I also wanted to stand by my original statement that the game itself got generally decent reviews, and non-FF fans thought it was an okay game. Some even came into the FF fanbase through FFXIII. Granted, they may be a bit disappointed when they see the rest of the series is not really like FFXIII. But the game itself is decent. It's not great. But it's not really that bad either. Is it a good FF game? Absolutely not. Should there be yet ANOTHER sequel? Hell no

 

[Razberry Knight]

Point is it failed as an rpg and as an ff game. The game devolved for both standards. Also it wasnt directly related to the mythos. Simply referenced isnt enough. And undoing what 13 did? Decent game? Have to treat it as a heavy rain type and even then you have to read datalogs and all just to keep up.


Thats like i said ff13-2 vomiting over ff13. Its not as related as you make it out. Honestly the reviews can clearly be seen as bias. Famitsu gave it an incredibly high score and again for 13-2. Then reviewers quickly bash on it when mentioned again.

As fleur said, they didnt plan 13-2. Ff13-2 isnt influenced by the original. Its you played ff13 for nothing. Ffx-2 at least doesnt do what 13's sequel did. In fact it was meant to explain ffx's ending (not change it).

Fans and the media dont whine simply to over exagerrate. 13-2 tries to be more serious yet way to casual. Story just doesnt try to earn your attention, its just there. I think thats the main issue.


Overall...its not decent. 13-2 is better in gameplay but not in story. In fact it got even more dumb. 13 as a whole just does not have enough to be called decent

 

[kratoscar2008]

Im done with SE this is just stupid, makink a third entry on the non-arguably worst FF universe EVER is just #$%&?!.

I loved SE because they made every single entry unique so if you didnt liked one then you surely could hope that the new game would be different and thus you could love it or hate it.

Now i want them to make the third entry actually, hope they got bankrupt, then bought by another company and said company take the rails of the new FF tittles because clearly SE has lost its freaking mind.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

Point is it failed as an rpg and as an ff game. The game devolved for both standards. Also it wasnt directly related to the mythos. Simply referenced isnt enough. And undoing what 13 did? Decent game? Have to treat it as a heavy rain type and even then you have to read datalogs and all just to keep up.


Thats like i said ff13-2 vomiting over ff13. Its not as related as you make it out. Honestly the reviews can clearly be seen as bias. Famitsu gave it an incredibly high score and again for 13-2. Then reviewers quickly bash on it when mentioned again.

As fleur said, they didnt plan 13-2. Ff13-2 isnt influenced by the original. Its you played ff13 for nothing. Ffx-2 at least doesnt do what 13's sequel did. In fact it was meant to explain ffx's ending (not change it).

Fans and the media dont whine simply to over exagerrate. 13-2 tries to be more serious yet way to casual. Story just doesnt try to earn your attention, its just there. I think thats the main issue.


Overall...its not decent. 13-2 is better in gameplay but not in story. In fact it got even more dumb. 13 as a whole just does not have enough to be called decent

I agree with the first point because it's what I've been saying. And the second part: From what I remember from FFXIII the gods were hardly mentioned. Especially not Etro. Just the Fal'cie. But FFXIII-2 expanded a bit more on the mythology. More than XIII did from what I remembered. And we're going to have to agree to disagree on whether FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were related or not. I see it as related since the story continued where FFXIII left off. But in my opinion it was completely unnecessary since FFXIII wrapped up everything pretty well. Adding FFXIII-2 to the mix made things confusing and unnecessary. It doesn't mean they're not in any way connected. That's ridiculous.

I get what you're trying to say, and that is FFXIII-2 undid what happened in FFXIII. I get that. But saying they're unrelated to each other is not correct in my opinion.

 

[Gabe]

I agree with the first point because it's what I've been saying. And the second part: From what I remember from FFXIII the gods were hardly mentioned. Especially not Etro. Just the Fal'cie. But FFXIII-2 expanded a bit more on the mythology. More than XIII did from what I remembered. And we're going to have to agree to disagree on whether FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were related or not. I see it as related since the story continued where FFXIII left off. But in my opinion it was completely unnecessary since FFXIII wrapped up everything pretty well. Adding FFXIII-2 to the mix made things confusing and unnecessary. It doesn't mean they're not in any way connected. That's ridiculous.

I get what you're trying to say, and that is FFXIII-2 undid what happened in FFXIII. I get that. But saying they're unrelated to each other is not correct in my opinion.

I'll step in and support that XIII-2 and XIII were related, but I can definitely reinforce the fact that they're related in such a nonsensical way that reduced my feelings of the entire storyline of XIII. There was so much potential in XIII-2 that could have made it a great sequel, but obviously someone threw a 'time-travelling' gimmick at the story designers, and suddenly they just HAD to incorporate it into the world that is Final Fantasy XIII. I found it really out of place and an awful way to make a continuation of the first one. The whole mood of the XIII world shifted from the moderately serious, rebellious, emotional and political drama-focused story we saw in Final Fantasy XIII, to the light-hearted, barely taking itself seriously Final Fantasy XIII-2 and we had to play as Lightning's sister for a reason that I can't seem to separate from fan-service. We had little connection to any of the previous characters in Final Fantasy XIII, including Lightning. Which made XIII-2 seem like an excuse for Square Enix to try something different, but not come up with a new universe to implement it in. If XIII-2 kept more of the origins of XIII, I'd think it was a successful sequel. It just really turned around and ruined the direction of XIII's mood and story.

I thought XIII was a great game, but not so worthy to the other Final Fantasy titles. As an RPG it's pretty lackluster and the gameplay can be so boring that it's fun. (That's how I felt sometimes, don't ask how.) But the story I got from it, the beautiful visuals, atmosphere and overall experience was worthwhile and it was a great journey in the end. I find you really have to take a look at XIII from a distance to fully appreciate what it has to offer, even if it didn't give you what you wanted the most.

 

[Razberry Knight]

I agree with the first point because it's what I've been saying. And the second part: From what I remember from FFXIII the gods were hardly mentioned. Especially not Etro. Just the Fal'cie. But FFXIII-2 expanded a bit more on the mythology. More than XIII did from what I remembered. And we're going to have to agree to disagree on whether FFXIII and FFXIII-2 were related or not. I see it as related since the story continued where FFXIII left off. But in my opinion it was completely unnecessary since FFXIII wrapped up everything pretty well. Adding FFXIII-2 to the mix made things confusing and unnecessary. It doesn't mean they're not in any way connected. That's ridiculous.

I get what you're trying to say, and that is FFXIII-2 undid what happened in FFXIII. I get that. But saying they're unrelated to each other is not correct in my opinion.

the point was made. Ffxiii-2 expands where none was needed. Time traveling was unnecessary too. Remove it all and you get nothing but they share a mythology. And even then i see it as 2 different ones.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Nocturne defended ffxIII from day one. So you respond always to people who dont like the game. Stop kidding yourself. Like you werent referring to my post nocturne. I will boycot SE if this happens.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Nocturne defended ffxIII from day one. So you respond always to people who dont like the game. Stop kidding yourself. Like you werent referring to my post nocturne. I will boycot SE if this happens.

Can i join too?

Anyone who defend XIII is not a true FF fan.

 

[Nocturne]

Nocturne defended ffxIII from day one. So you respond always to people who dont like the game. Stop kidding yourself. Like you werent referring to my post nocturne. I will boycot SE if this happens.

Ok, seriously, are you even following what I've been saying? I certainly was referring to your post as well as another posters. But I didn't bash you or anyone else personally. I just pointed out something I disagreed with from what you said. If you think that is bashing or something similar then you need to get your eyes checked.

And by saying that I defended FFXIII from day one is completely false, but hey, anything to try to give the game a bad name right . Fact is after I played FFXIII I felt mixed on the game where I have, on this forum, I have discussed pro's and con's with others. And yes, I do post more about people who dont like the game because half the times I have done so are to debate why I feel their claim was baseless. I don't just say "you're wrong" and leave it at that.

I didnt like the battle system at first due to it being simplistic with very little options, but as I got further and more roles opened up I started to really like the battle system. Also, I was vocal about how I disliked that alot of mythology of the world was told through the database instead of cut scenes or discussions throughout the game. I was also very wary of FFXIII-2 before it came out but I gave the game a chance and ended up liking it, again stating on these forums that it isnt perfect, but also wasnt terrible.

Normally I wouldn't care to bother explaining all of this (especially since I've discussed it before on the forums), but I also am not going to be referenced with blatant lies regarding my feelings on a Final Fantasy forum about a Final Fantasy game. So really, instead of making baseless claims to try to further your stance, either remember facts as they were stated or don't try to personally knock me down a peg.

If they make a third game and you decide to boycott all SE games, all power to you, though I highly doubt you will do so. Not because it's you, but because people in general who make these claims almost never follow through with it. And if you do, have fun missing out on some great games since SE has been pretty solid besides the abomination that is The 3rd Birthday.

 

[Richard B Riddick]

SE knows how to milk their franchises ad infinitum.

Milk badge achievement unlocked.

 

[Nocturne]

SE knows how to milk their franchises ad infinitum.

Milk badge achievement unlocked.

Ah you mean like Capcom, EA, Konami, Tecmo Koei, Nintendo, Activision, etc etc.

EVERY game company milks a franchise that makes them money. If the games are good, then who the hell really cares. In regards to SE and Final Fantasy. Having 2-3 perceived bad or not great Final Fantasy games over more than 20 years, Id say that's a pretty good track record.

 

[Richard B Riddick]

Ah you mean like Capcom, EA, Konami, Tecmo Koei, Nintendo, Activision, etc etc.

EVERY game company milks a franchise that makes them money. If the games are good, then who the hell really cares. In regards to SE and Final Fantasy. Having 2-3 perceived bad or not great Final Fantasy games over more than 20 years, Id say that's a pretty good track record.

They're milking their franchises.

AND, they're NOT making any money doing it.

Someone needs to develop a reliable method of reducing astronomical costs associated with game development.

Millions of dollars of investment per title is just too much.

 

[Nocturne]

They're milking their franchises.

AND, they're NOT making any money doing it.

Someone needs to develop a reliable method of reducing astronomical costs associated with game development.

Millions of dollars of investment per title is just too much.

FFXIII and FFXII-2 made them money I believe. And almost all of their PSP games have as well. Now FFXIV is a different story.

But I do completely agree with you that development costs are ridiculous and not sustainable for any company in the long run. That's why I'm ok with not having new consoles for a while if it helps the game companies push costs down.

 

[Starships]

I thought that FFXIII-2 did really badly in sales ?

1.95 m....

Okay that is really low. I'm not hating on FF XIII-2 or anything; just being honest. That is exteremly low. Final Fantasy V did more and that is in Japan alone. The 1.95 m is a collection of Japan, Europe and America. That is very, very low.

The FFXIII games don't even rank on the best seling SE games.

About the PSP games Crisis Core the most poplaur SE game only sold about 2.59 m. While that is quite good for handheld game, that is exteremly low compared to Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XII which made about 5- 9 mlillion.

You can't say that SE's techinques are making them cash. No. It's not. It's making them less money than previous titles and it's making fans angry, upset, emotional and furious.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Nocturne defended ffxIII from day one. So you respond always to people who dont like the game. Stop kidding yourself. Like you werent referring to my post nocturne. I will boycot SE if this happens.

I seriously doubt boycotting SE is going to do anything. No matter how many angry letters you send, there will always be that few amount of people to give them money. It is literally going to accomplish nothing. I'm not saying that you should buy XIII-3 should it come out, i'm just saying that boycotting it is not going to do anything.

if your going Company wide Boycott, then you are in the minority. Your opinion will not make a scratch.

(This probably seems really rude, but I meant it to be blunt, not rude. Sorry if it angers/Offends/ECT)
@kratoscar2008

....wut. I myself am a fan of XIII and XIII-2 and I will defend it on some accounts. So that makes me not a true FF Fan? Besides this making no sense whatsoever, I like some of the mainstream games like FFX and FVI. Am i now a True FF Fan?

I'm not trying to blow up at you.(though I feel This will seem like it) I just found your post disconcerting, that's all.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

From day one I was way more interested in Versus. I havent played a single ff since the ps2 days. Before all the information came out of FFXIII I was intrigued by Versus. I have waited more than 6 years obviously. I dont care if the gameplay is good but the story is lame, I might have just as well played Tekken or another beat em up.

What really put me off is no towns, no shops and all the little things that screams FF.
Then there is part two. I played Rogue Galaxy which I loved, but FFXIII-2 looked so corny imo. I cant bare to play tht. Shapeshifting moogle. Noel in a dress. It looks like a bad soap.

I PLAYED THE DEMO
First time ever DLC and its costumes, battles.. Weird ending from what I have heard?

FFXIII-2 was it really a true sequel? It was made with scraps from FF13 within 1.5 years produced filled with unrelated shit to fill the gaps, but managed to still have plotholes and inconsistencies? Well we still not sure man letz make a third to make it real complete.

You guys keeep falling for it and thats why they keep coming with this shit. A true ff fan wants SE to make great games not support halfbaked dragged mediocre games.

Now I dont care if there will be a third installment, im just saying Ive waited 6+ years for Versus and if they deliver Versus first Im cool. They promised after type-0 Versus will be next so.

I havent played a single ps3 ff title so trust me when I say I will definitely stop supporting SE if this falls through.

Tomb raider is something else. That game I will definitely buy.