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Blitz

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Ok, well I know I'm relatively new here, but I am not new to forums. I have been going to them for years. Quite a few forums I go to have incredible amounts of members and are constantly active even into the wee hours because they are shared with so many people all over the world.

This is a good forum, I have enjoyed myself here, good people, great ideas to keep people interested. But I have noticed the foot traffic so to speak is not so heavy. There doesn't seem to be a bustle of activity on here. By that I mean, you can post a thread, wait a few days, and it will still be in the same spot and sometimes with only a couple of replies. That’s fine, but the mere fact that it is in the same spot shows there is not an abundance of new threads coming in to push the thread down and out. Now we don't exactly want this, but my point is, this is not an insanely Active forum. Its kind of calm. Two forums I go to that show TONS of activity are http://www.sherdog.net/forums/ & http://conceptart.org/forums/ .
These two places have so many people the need for sub forums is needed and works well due to the massive amounts of posting going on.

This brings me to my point, if you are still with me. Why does this forum have so many SUB forums? Hell, its SUB forums have Sub forums. To me this takes the limited amount of posting that is going on and divides it up and separates it out till no one is seeing anyone posting anywhere else. Is the eventual conclusion to have a sub forum for each member to only post in? My example here is the Art Cafe being split into Original art and Fan Art.
Why is this? The Fan Art section as a whole was not incredibly active. I posted art a month or more ago and the threads where still toward the top of the screen. To me it makes no sense to break up a forum into two smaller forums when the forum as a whole was hardly active to begin with. It's not as if there was so many threads you couldn't sift through them. And the main Luca Forum is already broken up 4 times. Now that I can see, Artwork, Writing, Costumes, Miss. But is it necessary to then break one of those up again?

I think you are over organizing. By doing this I think you just take what community you have and separate it out all over the place. The less sub forums, the more people are posting in the same areas, the more people will see other peoples threads, and perhaps the more they will then comment on them. When you go to see art, what does it matter if it is FF related or Original, when you can take a broad glance and see for your self which is which and post away. I know the idea of just clicking a different forum area isn't so hard. But you may find more people would rather just see everything as a whole instead of in it's own little area. Those forums I mentioned earlier are the kind where you post a thread, and some times it moves off the front page so fast that it has just a couple of views and no replies. THAT forum needs more sub forums.

Well ill leave it at that, ill be surprised if someone reads all this. If you have your reasons for this great. I’m not going to stop coming here or anything. Just of all the forums I’ve been to over the years I have never seen one so broken up into section and then even more so. Not my forum so I’m not really TELLING you how it should be, just curious as to why it is like that.

My last analogy that I think sums it up is.
If you have a small group of members to your community. And they are Pencils, Pens, and Mechanical Pencils. You can put them into One Cup and let them hang out. They all see each other, any activity done by the other is seen and can be reacted to encouraging discussion and activity. But if you decide you need a Cup for the Pencils, Pens, and Mechanical Pencils, then you get less interaction, even if they can move from one cup to the other. But then you go further, you take the Pencils, and put the #2 pencils in a cup and the B4 art Pencils in another. Then you take the pens, put the Capped pens in a cup, and the clicky top pens in another cup. Then you take the Mechanical pencils and put the .05 led ones in one cup and the .07 led ones in another. Now you have a completely organized group of members. But hopping back and forth between each of them to see what the other is doing becomes time consuming and just a bit annoying.


Thanks
Im not trying to stomp on anyone’s toes here. If you have your way of doing things that is fine. If this has been discussed somewhere, I didn’t catch it and I just wasted my time writing this out. And sorry it is so long. I still like the look of this place and the Arcade that is connected to the forum is just one of the coolest features ive ever seen on a Forum. I am still trying to figure out what to do with this RPG part though.

Peace
Blitz

PS: Just wanted to add, I could be missing something entirely as far as this goes. If there is someplace on the forum that everyone goes to and I don't know about it that could be the reason. But as someone who just browses the forums, I ask these questions.
 
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I know what you mean, but this place is FAR more cut down compared to what it used to be. When I joined it was a nightmare to find anything or to find a relevant forum to post in without fear of there being another one for that particular topic. It's alot better now though.
 
I know what you mean, but this place is FAR more cut down compared to what it used to be. When I joined it was a nightmare to find anything or to find a relevant forum to post in without fear of there being another one for that particular topic. It's alot better now though.


Wow, really. HA! It use to be worse. Well I guess I noticed it right off, but I like the artwork section, went to it today, and noticed they just changed it to FF art and Original art. But it seemed so pointless to me. It isn't nearly active enough to warrant even more organization. Hell when they did that you ended up with 5 threads in one forum and 9 in another. 14 total art threads.

Oh well, I guess if it is better than it use to be I shouldn't be bitching about it. But it just seems so odd.
 
I know what you mean, but this place is FAR more cut down compared to what it used to be.
Quite a key feature of the current layout; it's improved and will, most likely, continue to be improved.

The problem with less sub-forums is that people then start to complain about the forum being too long, that is to say that the same number of forums then take up even more space. We try to make everything as organised and as condensed as possible (and I like your analogy).

Just for the record, if you have suggestions pertaining to revised layouts (i.e. how YOU think the site could/should look) then we're more than happy to hear from you.
 
Quite a key feature of the current layout; it's improved and will, most likely, continue to be improved.

The problem with less sub-forums is that people then start to complain about the forum being too long, that is to say that the same number of forums then take up even more space. We try to make everything as organised and as condensed as possible (and I like your analogy).

Just for the record, if you have suggestions pertaining to revised layouts (i.e. how YOU think the site could/should look) then we're more than happy to hear from you.


I understand. One of the sites I mentioned, the Sherdog.net one, could really use more. It is amazing how many people are posting on that forum constantly, and threads get pushed off the front page so fast. If anything I think they should reconsider the Art Room separation for now. It was barely 2 pages long. Streamline is the word I guess I was thinking of.

Thanks, yeah, that analogy popped into my head at the last second, was unnecessary after that long rant of mine but I had to throw it in there haha.
 
It is cluttered without a doubt, although I'm presuming they're still getting rid of the related series. However, due to the nature of the sections, it's very difficult to make them uncluttered. :monster:
 
It is cluttered without a doubt, although I'm presuming they're still getting rid of the related series. However, due to the nature of the sections, it's very difficult to make them uncluttered. :monster:

Well, it is interesting to find that it actually use to be worse. Perhaps it's ones nature. Im the kind of person that would probably not even use Sub forums, and just make a General, General FF, ART Stuff,.... and call it good. Im not a super organized person. My desk tends to have things on it in Stacks, instead of neatly in files or drawers.
 
This is an old topic but I have a few sub-forums that I would like to suggest merging/deleting. These are all sub-forums that have diminished activity, so I think there's actually substance behind the request. I've found 4 that are clearly dead and a few more in the RP Central that I wanted to ask about.

Adventure; Last Post: August 11th, 2008
Last-Order; 1 Thread Active in past 45 days
358/2 Days; Last Post: November 4th, 2008
Coded; Last Post: November 29th, 2008

Also, what is the Report Room? What's its purpose when all it's threads and sub-forums are locked? Same with Practice Battles... all in the RP Central section...
 
Yea, I figured you'd be biased about those lol

They still could all use condensing. It's not like any of the kingdom hearts forums are overflowing with posts.
 
That random new forum in the spam one. I still don't get why it's there and no one bothers with it anyway.
And that photo forum. What was wrong with them where they were?
 
That random new forum in the spam one. I still don't get why it's there and no one bothers with it anyway.
And that photo forum. What was wrong with them where they were?
The Lobby? I agree that is seems an odd mix of spam and a kind of seriousness but it is used.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the photo album being in the meeting room. That being said, where it is, is an improvement imo.
 
I think the lobby is fine, far too many threads got lost in spam that although, we're to good for spam, weren't really good enough for costa, anything that doesn't wok can always be merged with an existing forum or scrapped
 
I only wanted to post forums that I could make some evidential argument for deleting or merging. If I had my druthers, there would be a lot more merged or deleted... but I think baby steps are necessary. So if there's no objection, close/merge the forums that have no purpose that I listed... and we'll continue to improve the forum with necessity.
 
I think the lobby is fine, far too many threads got lost in spam that although, we're to good for spam, weren't really good enough for costa, anything that doesn't wok can always be merged with an existing forum or scrapped
Imagine hearing this several times a day until we finally listened. That's why it was made. :wacky:

I only wanted to post forums that I could make some evidential argument for deleting or merging. If I had my druthers, there would be a lot more merged or deleted... but I think baby steps are necessary. So if there's no objection, close/merge the forums that have no purpose that I listed... and we'll continue to improve the forum with necessity.
I'd personally like to see it all posted in its entirety - seeing it come in dribs and drabs would irritate me, since it'd look like you're all just out to make things difficult for us. :wacky: So, feel free to post the ol' suggestions and we'll carry them back and forth between HQ and here.

Having a more diluted array of forums would make moderating easier and less overwhelming, too.
 
Actually getting rid of the sector 7 slums would make it so much easier for me. However there's no justification for that:(

As long as each section is used, and doesn't make the site to difficult to navigate, changes should I think be kept to a minimum.
 
Only thing that pecks my head is not being able to see all the sub thigies on the main page, I always get lost...STILL, but well, as long as changes are going ahead at least things are getting done and not just being left to fester... I'd rather try new things and them fail than not try anything at all. :gasp:

Although maybe merging the photalbum wioth the lobby might be an idea...... :wacky: I just refuse to drop that bone though. I LIKE the lobby :monster:
 
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Combining the photo album and the lobby might work. Both are basically spam that we want to keep on topic. I don't understand the rest of what you said. Something about pecker heads and dropping bones like they're hot. I dunno.
 
Personally I think it would be a major step forwards if you got rid of most of the sub forums all together. In Rocket Town, for example, most of the sub forums are posted in daily, but none of them seem to have more than 2 really active threads at any time. At the same time Rocket Town has plenty of threads on its main page that are more than a month old.
 
The sub-forums are mainly there to help keep things 'organized' and not cluttered. For instance, if we get rid of all the sub-forums in Rocket Town, there goes all our general gaming threads (which is not going to happen since a lot of our members do visit that section every now and then). The sub-forums help divide the games by their platforms. Mixing all the threads together with different platforms will surely be one big headache for the members and staff.

As for the Game Reviews section, that is not meant for members to 'reply' to. It's for those who wants to read a decent and thorough reviews from members as well as submit their own game review if they wish to do so. Hence, the reason for there not being any 'replies'.

But yes, the sub-forums in Rocket Town stays. :) Actually we just got rid of one just a few days ago (Handheld section), but added the Gamer's Guide sub-forum yesterday, which we all agreed would be beneficial to the forum once it kicks in.
 
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