... but it doesn't matter if anyone else has access, because they're not using it anyway. I find it hard to actually derive logic from your accusation of me being paranoid.
Who has access to the RPG ACP
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... but it doesn't matter if anyone else has access, because they're not using it anyway. I find it hard to actually derive logic from your accusation of me being paranoid.
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I have access to it I believe, but it's not really any of my business at this point so you will not see me clicking into an RPG ACP.
Belazor et Britannia
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Three points:
1. RPG Directors are below Administrators in the Staff list. http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/staff.html see for yourself, the list has recently been reordered (hack made by yours truly /epeen) to reflect the hierarchy of ranks in this forum.
2. I believe I already did answer your point, if you trust someone with AdminCP you trust them to not fuck something up in the RPG section of the AdminCP. Because honestly, you can ruin so much more than just a petty RPG with even the tiniest access in the AdminCP. This is not a threat, it's a statement of fact.
3. Everything in the AdminCP is logged (unless ZT was having an exceptionally large stroke of moronity when he wrote the AdminCP section) by vBulletin itself, only viewable by Super Admins (I trust only DB is a Super Admin) or those who specifically are granted permission to do so in the config.php file. Additionally, the log can only be PRUNED by an additional permission variable in the config.php file (again, I trust only DB has access to do this), so to catch the culprit would be easier than stumbling into a volcano.
Misunderstand me right, I appreciate you coming into the public with this. For what its worth, you have my respect for doing it.
But I disagree with you, as shown in the points above.
1. RPG Directors are below Administrators in the Staff list. http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/staff.html see for yourself, the list has recently been reordered (hack made by yours truly /epeen) to reflect the hierarchy of ranks in this forum.
2. I believe I already did answer your point, if you trust someone with AdminCP you trust them to not fuck something up in the RPG section of the AdminCP. Because honestly, you can ruin so much more than just a petty RPG with even the tiniest access in the AdminCP. This is not a threat, it's a statement of fact.
3. Everything in the AdminCP is logged (unless ZT was having an exceptionally large stroke of moronity when he wrote the AdminCP section) by vBulletin itself, only viewable by Super Admins (I trust only DB is a Super Admin) or those who specifically are granted permission to do so in the config.php file. Additionally, the log can only be PRUNED by an additional permission variable in the config.php file (again, I trust only DB has access to do this), so to catch the culprit would be easier than stumbling into a volcano.
Misunderstand me right, I appreciate you coming into the public with this. For what its worth, you have my respect for doing it.
But I disagree with you, as shown in the points above.
Saix, you seem to take issue with me calling you something you just called me. Your continued ranting about this is proving my point. If you are not interested in it, why does it matter that you do not have access?
So the argument goes two ways, right.
Also, an owner can limit access to certain sections of the Admin CP. I know this by being an admin on other forums. So being an Admin does not mean unlimited access to the forum controls.
So the argument goes two ways, right.
Also, an owner can limit access to certain sections of the Admin CP. I know this by being an admin on other forums. So being an Admin does not mean unlimited access to the forum controls.
Belazor et Britannia
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Yes a Super Admin can limit access. You don't have to tell ME this.
My point was, shouldn't someone who is trusted with say the ability to prune users/threads/posts (any of the above) also technically be trustworthy for something as trivial as the RPG?
Because regardless of how many hours you put into it, if DB was held at gunpoint saying he would either lose the Inferno work or all the users, threads and/or posts, I think he'd choose to drop Inferno.
Reason why Im arguing this is that Im against limiting access where it's not needed.
My point was, shouldn't someone who is trusted with say the ability to prune users/threads/posts (any of the above) also technically be trustworthy for something as trivial as the RPG?
Because regardless of how many hours you put into it, if DB was held at gunpoint saying he would either lose the Inferno work or all the users, threads and/or posts, I think he'd choose to drop Inferno.
Reason why Im arguing this is that Im against limiting access where it's not needed.
Actually the Inferno can be recovered from backup. But so can the rest of the forum.
Belazor, I just believe in limited access. Also, isn't most stuff on the net, trivial anyway. I am of the school of less hands, in something, the better.
Belazor, I just believe in limited access. Also, isn't most stuff on the net, trivial anyway. I am of the school of less hands, in something, the better.
Belazor et Britannia
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Don't get me wrong, I don't believe everyone should have access to everything just because they can.
All I'm saying is that the Inferno ACP section is less important than say the vBulletin Options page. the vBOptions page contains settings that are pretty much static (except for IP/email banning, don't ask me why the piss they put them in there) and do not need to be changed often to solve problems. But this might be the case in the RPG Inferno section.
I don't know what timezones yall are in, but in Norway we have GMT+1 and if I visit during the day I often find myself being the only Admin (and no RPG Directors) online. So, if I had interest and knowledge in Inferno, imagine the following scenario:
An user encountered a goblin in the tubes of the Internet and was somehow stuck in a battle (or something else thats out of the users control, just an example). Said user sees an admin online and PMs him (ie me) asking him to help him fix it. I investigate and sure enough it's a bug in the system and the user is genuinely stuck. But wait, I can't help him. An ADMIN can't help him with something as trivial as this.
See what I mean?
In order for an administrator to be able to perform his duties, he needs access to certain features. A round of the mill admin needs access to users at the very least, to help and/or ban users accordingly. Higher ranked admins need access to other sections, and tech admins (aka developers) need access to the Plugin system in order to perform his duties.
All I'm saying is that the Inferno ACP section is less important than say the vBulletin Options page. the vBOptions page contains settings that are pretty much static (except for IP/email banning, don't ask me why the piss they put them in there) and do not need to be changed often to solve problems. But this might be the case in the RPG Inferno section.
I don't know what timezones yall are in, but in Norway we have GMT+1 and if I visit during the day I often find myself being the only Admin (and no RPG Directors) online. So, if I had interest and knowledge in Inferno, imagine the following scenario:
An user encountered a goblin in the tubes of the Internet and was somehow stuck in a battle (or something else thats out of the users control, just an example). Said user sees an admin online and PMs him (ie me) asking him to help him fix it. I investigate and sure enough it's a bug in the system and the user is genuinely stuck. But wait, I can't help him. An ADMIN can't help him with something as trivial as this.
See what I mean?
In order for an administrator to be able to perform his duties, he needs access to certain features. A round of the mill admin needs access to users at the very least, to help and/or ban users accordingly. Higher ranked admins need access to other sections, and tech admins (aka developers) need access to the Plugin system in order to perform his duties.
If users have problems with the RPG, they usually PM one of the RPG Directors. I do not think they even bother DB with those problems. In fact, in earlier versions of Inferno, RPG Directors were Admins.
Usually a stuck battle can be deleted.
Usually a stuck battle can be deleted.
Belazor's point being: if no Director was on, they'd be stuck in a battle for God knows how long, needlessly so, considering a different member of staff could easily deal with it themselves. Yet wouldn't be able to, because permissions were restricted. It's impractical.Koloth said:
The longest a person would wait would be a few hours. Not long really. Besides, you are not interested in learning the system anyway.
Being stuck in a battle does not prevent a person from doing other things on the forum.
Being stuck in a battle does not prevent a person from doing other things on the forum.
Well, I try to be on almost every day but even I need some rest. I can't just stay 24/7, and neither can Koloth, Tiel nor Ambiguity. The longest amount of time they usually wait is an hour and also the battles expire after some time, so the player won't be stuck in a battle forever.
Nevertheless, an instant resolution would be more well received than having to wait a few hours at best.
And Koloth, I'm more than familiar with the internal devices of Inferno. Nor would it be challenging for any other capable staff member to learn how to erase such a situation.
And Koloth, I'm more than familiar with the internal devices of Inferno. Nor would it be challenging for any other capable staff member to learn how to erase such a situation.
Well I get lots of PM from members asking me to fix problems and delete battles, and I usually solve the problems as soon as I can. 
Nothing with forum administration is really challenging. Unless you are actually doing some coding. I do not think the wait is a big deal.
The truth of the matter is that the RPG Directors are usually online more often than other staff.
The truth of the matter is that the RPG Directors are usually online more often than other staff.
Yes, since we have the most active and fastest RPG Team 
The heck there were times in which the only staff members that were online were the four RPG Mods
The heck there were times in which the only staff members that were online were the four RPG Mods 
Anyways, isn't there a automatic battle pruning system?
It is set to prune after 2 days, but I have seen battle in there that are weeks old. In fact, there is one in there from January 2. I think all of us have tried deleting that battle, but it's being a bitch.
And since i was usually the only one online during the wee hours of the morning, when I start this new job (check the leaving thread) someone else will need to be able to delete battles.
Or maybe ZT will put in a feature where a player can delete their own battles, but only once or twice a week? That way they can save themselves. And having them be able to use it a limited number of times will help prevent abuse.
It is set to prune after 2 days, but I have seen battle in there that are weeks old. In fact, there is one in there from January 2. I think all of us have tried deleting that battle, but it's being a bitch.
And since i was usually the only one online during the wee hours of the morning, when I start this new job (check the leaving thread) someone else will need to be able to delete battles.
Or maybe ZT will put in a feature where a player can delete their own battles, but only once or twice a week? That way they can save themselves. And having them be able to use it a limited number of times will help prevent abuse.