what happened next?

[The Witch]

Bravo, Kira! That's it exactly!

Sometimes being old friends is really hard, insanely hard. Timing honestly is everything, and sometimes... You rather not risk that friendship, that everything, just because you want something more with them... You can never be a 100% sure I think, if that person goes about it the same way as you though. It's just not that easy...

Yeah, I can get that. But Nomura has said Tifa made it clear how she feels to Cloud mutliple times... which makes me think, if there's a woman Cloud loves, why isn't he with her? Especially after being told how much she loves him.

Jus' makes no sense to me. Especially when someone says "oh, Cloud loves this girl" when nothing definite has ever been said.

Tifa has been called koibito before, too. I think, honestly, both of them are portrayed like that, because of course Cloud cares for Aerith, and of course he cares for Tifa. I mean come on? Tifa he's known since he was a kid, and had the biggest crush on, Aerith was a great friend of the whole team, the whole team cares for her as well.

Yeah, but honestly, how can both girls be Cloud's sweetheart? I'm beginning to think Cloud's playin' 'em both. I mean, like you said, Cloud had a crush on Tifa which can be a plus for her koibito statement. But Cloud also dated Aerith--which could also be a plus for CxA's koibito statement.

It's all too confusing.

I hate how people ruin it for themselves by starting debates about what is canon, what a ridiculous thing to assume, no one is in a position to say what is. Enjoy the game and couple for what it is. That's what it's about, not about tearing apart what someone else enjoys.

Oh, Kira. If only more fans were like you. C:

My heart will remain with CloudxTifa, I honestly couldn't care less how anyone else thinks of them as wrong.

Couldn't agree more.

(EDIT: our fonts look pretty together <33)

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Kira you should start a club!

But Cloud also dated Aerith

Uh when?...........I think its obvious where thing went with these 2 they are happy together and bring each other comfort in a world where there is not much to be found, Aeris/Aerith is dead, Tifa is alive.........2nd place I think not, it is possible for a man to love 2 women equally.

Aeris was possibly the intended love of Cloud but events of the story betrayed that and over the course of the rest of the story Cloud & Tifa came to a new understanding of each other through the Lifestream, Tifa knew him like she never thought she could Tifa found out the true essence of the man and felt she could be happy with him..........so Tifa made that choice.

Cloud was in Limbo re-discovering his true self, and in the process the personality that was in love with Aeris dispersed and Coud of being of sound mind once again found his feeling for Tifa emergent over those he had for Aeris which were not really his.........but Zack's.

Cloud was of split personality and and the love he felt for both was real they just could not co-exist...........lol One not his lover or his sweet heart, juvenile terms like that ridicule what they went through and what they mean to each other.

They go beyond what we/you apparently know.

 

[Tmoo]

Here's what I believe: after the events of Advent Children Cloud finally gets his act together and starts a relationship with Tifa proper. The End.

Aerith(s) is dead and has nothing to do with anything that happens in their relationship from here on. Why was she even brought up? This topic is about AFTER everything is said and done in the games/movie.

 

[Six]

Yeah, I can get that. But Nomura has said Tifa made it clear how she feels to Cloud mutliple times... which makes me think, if there's a woman Cloud loves, why isn't he with her? Especially after being told how much she loves him.

What Nomura said apparently occurs in the game/movie/spin-offs, and we've all witnessed these attempts. (No, she never actually told him flat out while he was fully awake - if you're wanting to count the On The Way To A Smile novels) I don't know if you ever tried getting Tifa on the date, or had her on the date (she's was the first for me without even trying or disliking Aerith on my first playthrough) but she's 'interrupted by fireworks' hence the song.

We can all say that Tifa's attempts are hesitant, and I truly believe it's 'cause she cares so much. I just think it's funny how her and Cloud are so alike. When Cloud was younger he put himself through a lot of trouble, taking the hard road of showing her how he felt, but it wasn't that obvious, as he stated himself. He could've just asked her out. But didn't.

Then their promise was made, and I think that's where it clicked. For the both of them. Tifa never had an eye to eye convo with Cloud, expressing her feelings, and as the makers said in interviews, "Cloud is hiding from something warm, his comfort." (I'm too lazy to look it up, but I can if people feel the need) Also Cloud telling Marlene, he sounds like such a guy taking care of his family to me. He felt like he couldn't take care of himself, with the stigma, he could've gotten Marlene and Tifa sick - he had to find a cure first.

Yeah, but honestly, how can both girls be Cloud's sweetheart? I'm beginning to think Cloud's playin' 'em both. I mean, like you said, Cloud had a crush on Tifa which can be a plus for her koibito statement. But Cloud also dated Aerith--which could also be a plus for CxA's koibito statement.

... Well, from my point of view, he might think of Aerith as a sweetheart, someone he cares for - obviously. All of AVALANCHE does. Even if it was more than that, a person can be in love with two people at the same time. It's feelings you can't control, most likely though - one is always gonna be the one you want to be with, and the other someone you don't want to lose. It's a complicated thing.

Being a Cloud and Tifa supporter, I do see, take, and it's obvious to me that it was way more than a crush he had for her. The ending scene in Final Fantasy VII, where he catches her, tells/reassures Tifa about Aerith, I do know AerithxCloud fans believe and most of them will bash on Tifa, saying it was cruel of him to say that, or just flat out will be saying that if Cloud loved Tifa he wouldn't have said that.

Hello, they all lost someone that was close to them. Of course he's going to say that. Aerith isn't just all about Cloud. One point I find annoying of obsessed fans is that they act like this, while, who was Aerith mostly with in the game during side-scenes? Oh that's right - her friend, Tifa.

The ending scene in Final Fantasy VII, also made me notice how he's standing with Tifa during them getting out of the crater. When the ship starts shaking, he's close enough to grab her hand, and you see Tifa losing balance, and literally depending on holding Cloud's hand, and damn, he holds her alright. (<3) Then after that, he's sitting slouched down, next to her. xD Ending scene, her and Barret stand next to him. <3

However... I don't think Cloud and Aerith dated. She offered to pay him back with a date he never agreed to. (I'm not saying that to pick it apart, it's just that he did the hand motion thing, which to me seemed like a money thing) "Oh, so I save you, then you expect me to pay your dinner as well?" xD (Kidding) Yes, it can happen in the game, but it can with Barret, Yuffie, and Tifa as well. It wasn't anything near "dating", and if it were, Cloud crushed many girls dreams with falling for the Big Sailor Suit Marshmallow Man.

This is still on topic, I suppose. Stating different opinions... But yeah, I don't think Cloud is playing them. After his mix up with Zack's personality, he seems to gain a grip on certain things. I'm not saying he liked Aerith just because of having Zack's mind messed up with his, Cloud, himself could have had feelings for her to, I just, honestly believe it wasn't anything like how he felt, and feels for Tifa.

I have to agree with Tmoo. Although I do understand fans will still bring up Aerith, I don't think she was created to be forgotten, however... The topic is said after everything is done, and... Cloud being with the girl of his dreams after all this time, after btrying to get in SOLDIER, after saving her life while he failed to save others, and after finally sharing the same roof with her, even though we don't know where Tifa sleeps, it's still under the same, a little before, and after his stigma, he takes care of two beautiful kids with her.

I can full-heartedly say, that I think Cloud got what he wanted.

"It's just my humble opinion, but it's one that I believe in." - Playing God, by Paramore.

Kira you should start a club!

There already is a CloudxTifa club if that's what you meant, trust me, I'd love to be the owner of it, but the fact it already exists is better. If that's the club making you were speaking of.

and...

Holy hell. Long post.

 

[Channizard]

Oh an LTD thread, how could I have missed this?

I've always been an avid Clourith shipper. Throughout the game, they've had many precious moments together. On the playground, Aerith begins to confide in Cloud, and (given the right options) he shows jealousy towards Zack, her ex-lover. In Midgar when they're captured, even though he shares a room with Tifa, he worries about Aerith, and asks how she's doing. In Cosmo Canyon, he expresses so much worry for her "I... We're here for you, right?"

Not to mention that in the original VII commercial, the original tagline for the game was "The story of a love that could never be... and a hate that always was."

That obviously eludes to Clourith, although at the time we don't know it, and how they could never be together.

In AC, he obviously mourns for her, shying himself away from Tifa in shame, not ANYWHERE ELSE.. but the Church. The Church is his little safe place, and obviously makes him think that he'll find peace and healing there.

To say that Cloud just.. 'ends up with Tifa because she's there' is a rip off for her character. I never much cared for her in game (long story, other than me being an Aerith fangirl ) but I have more respect for her character and that she deserves more than just 'second place' you know?

Tbh, throughout the game Cloud isn't a particularly romantic person. Throughout the whole FF series, as a protagonist, I would say he is the LEAST likely, character wise, to just pair up and be a happy person. Throughout the whole compilation, we've seen him go through so much that I don't think he would be capable of a relationship, be it with Aerith or Tifa.

However that being said, I DO believe that Aerith would have been more able to bring Cloud out of his shell. Granted, Tifa unearthed his memories for him, but Aerith was well on her way to figuring him out. She DID afterall want to meet the real him. I have no doubt that if she didn't die, she would have been able to accomplish what Tifa did, just in a different way.

...*heavy breath* All in all, no I don't think anything happened. Cloud doesn't seem the type to just... settle down, especially with somebody who had taken her so long to come forward about her own feelings in the first place.

 

[The Witch]

Well said Channi!

Also, Kira, Cloud does accept that date, though.

Also in the Final Fantasy Art Collection set of cards it says this, though;

Well then, let's see...... How about if I go out with you once?
(Payment for Cloud.)

No, Cloud... I'm searching for you...
(First and last date.)

As you can see, it says Cloud and Aerith's date at the Gold saucer is their first and last date. Meaning it did come to pass.

Then there's this card that says it's a promised date that ends magically in the city of "Desire";
#111 The Planet's largest amusement park is run by Dio. Cloud and company visit this place many times in their battle. They meet Cait Sith here. A promised date that ends in a magical night. In the city of desire that floats above the sands, the light memory of the two people is asleep even now...

Aerith: "I think I must have seen him again, in you... But you're different. Things are different... No, Cloud... I'm searching for you..."



There's also a quote that says if the game is played normally, the player will get Aerith.

I know there's a debate about a lot in VII, but who the canon/default date is, shouldn't be one of them. Also, I don't get the whole song argument... that song plays when Aerith asks Cait Sith to predict her and Cloud's romantic future, it also plays when Cait Sith dies. It seems like it's jus' a song, to be frank.

... Well, from my point of view, he might think of Aerith as a sweetheart, someone he cares for - obviously. All of AVALANCHE does. Even if it was more than that, a person can be in love with two people at the same time. It's feelings you can't control, most likely though - one is always gonna be the one you want to be with, and the other someone you don't want to lose. It's a complicated thing.

Oh, yeah, I can get that. But I still gotta say it's Aerith that's in Cloud's heart forever. I mean, especially with the "undying feeling that differs from platonic love" quote. Not to mention, Nomura has said Aerith is engraved in Cloud's heart, which makes it seem romantic to me. Also, Nomura has stated recently that Aerith's church is Cloud's promised land... which I thought was jus' too cute. That's half the reason why I think Cloud loves Aerith.

Being a Cloud and Tifa supporter, I do see, take, and it's obvious to me that it was way more than a crush he had for her. The ending scene in Final Fantasy VII, where he catches her, tells/reassures Tifa about Aerith, I do know AerithxCloud fans believe and most of them will bash on Tifa, saying it was cruel of him to say that, or just flat out will be saying that if Cloud loved Tifa he wouldn't have said that.

No, no. I can happily say I am not with the Clouriths on that one. The way I've always viewed that ending scene is Cloud remembering how Aerith wanted to meet him and then he, in turn, returnes the same wish--meeting her as well. To me, that scene isn't about anyone other than Aerith. It's right after Cloud sees Aerith's hand and she is ripped away from him. Cloud, in hope of seeing her again, tells Tifa that he thinks he can meet her there--which is why I, as a Clourith, take it so romantically.

Which brings up Dissidia, during Dissidia's storyline for Cloud, Cloud is told he'd find his favorite flower in his own reality. And at the end of his fight scene with Sephiroth, Cloud tells Sephiroth;
"The one I really want to meet is..." and then his ending takes place--which is a field of his favorite flower which happens to be Aerith's lilies. Dissidia's ending seemed to make it very clear who Cloud wanted to meet, time and time again, which is Aerith. And that's why I think VII's ending is so proClourith, because of what it means.

Hello, they all lost someone that was close to them. Of course he's going to say that. Aerith isn't just all about Cloud. One point I find annoying of obsessed fans is that they act like this, while, who was Aerith mostly with in the game during side-scenes? Oh that's right - her friend, Tifa.

Yuppers. Everyone on the team loved Aerith. But the thing is, Nomura has singled out Cloud's feelings to Aerith moreso than anyone else she knew. Like with the undying feeling quote. He says Cloud has his own undying feeling towards Aerith that is very much different from the rest of her friends. Which is, to say the least, odd.

The ending scene in Final Fantasy VII, also made me notice how he's standing with Tifa during them getting out of the crater. When the ship starts shaking, he's close enough to grab her hand, and you see Tifa losing balance, and literally depending on holding Cloud's hand, and damn, he holds her alright. (<3) Then after that, he's sitting slouched down, next to her. xD Ending scene, her and Barret stand next to him. <3

Believe me, I know why you like handscenes so much. They're romantic and sweet. But Cloud and Aerith's holding hand scenes is emphasized quite a lot, if I do say. So much so, in AC, the hand scene at bahamut's fight, Nomura said it was a "homage" to the ending of VII.

(I'm not saying that to pick it apart, it's just that he did the hand motion thing, which to me seemed like a money thing) "Oh, so I save you, then you expect me to pay your dinner as well?" xD (Kidding)

That honestly was funny.

But yeah, I don't think Cloud is playing them. After his mix up with Zack's personality, he seems to gain a grip on certain things. I'm not saying he liked Aerith just because of having Zack's mind messed up with his, Cloud, himself could have had feelings for her to, I just, honestly believe it wasn't anything like how he felt, and feels for Tifa.

Cloud's messed up memories really had nothin' to do with who he was during VII, though. Cloud just took Zack's ocupational legacy of being First class soldier. He never experianced Zack's feelings or inner thoughts. Hence Nomura saying Cloud's laugh scene with Aerith was really the real Cloud at that time.

I have to agree with Tmoo. Although I do understand fans will still bring up Aerith, I don't think she was created to be forgotten, however... The topic is said after everything is done, and... Cloud being with the girl of his dreams after all this time, after btrying to get in SOLDIER, after saving her life while he failed to save others, and after finally sharing the same roof with her, even though we don't know where Tifa sleeps, it's still under the same, a little before, and after his stigma, he takes care of two beautiful kids with her.

I can full-heartedly say, that I think Cloud got what he wanted.

And that's to protect his friends and family. I can agree that Cloud helps take care of Marlene and Denzel... but so does Barret. After all, Marlene is his child. The thing I find sweet about it all, is that Cloud believed it was Aerith that brought him Denzel. And honestly, I think that's why he felt so attached to him at first.

Not to mention that in the original VII commercial, the original tagline for the game was "The story of a love that could never be... and a hate that always was."

This, this is one of the most important things about the LTD. Why do all three of teh official commercials all say that Cloud and Aerith are a bittersweet love, a love that could never be, or a tragic amore? It means a heck of a lot, especially when determining who Cloud loves. I think SE made it clear.

...*heavy breath* All in all, no I don't think anything happened. Cloud doesn't seem the type to just... settle down, especially with somebody who had taken her so long to come forward about her own feelings in the first place.

I agree completely.



(I can't believe we're doing this in a civilized manner)

 

[Channizard]

I saved this It's adorable

Also in the Final Fantasy Art Collection set of cards it says this, though;

Well then, let's see...... How about if I go out with you once?
(Payment for Cloud.)

No, Cloud... I'm searching for you...
(First and last date.)

As you can see, it says Cloud and Aerith's date at the Gold saucer is their first and last date. Meaning it did come to pass.

Then there's this card that says it's a promised date that ends magically in the city of "Desire";
#111 The Planet's largest amusement park is run by Dio. Cloud and company visit this place many times in their battle. They meet Cait Sith here. A promised date that ends in a magical night. In the city of desire that floats above the sands, the light memory of the two people is asleep even now...

Aerith: "I think I must have seen him again, in you... But you're different. Things are different... No, Cloud... I'm searching for you..."

Wow, I wasn't aware that the cards had little quotes like this. I gotta say though, is the Aerith quote followed specifically on the card? How else do we know that it's supposed to be Clourith? ...unless the quote IS on the card. xD

Which brings up Dissidia, during Dissidia's storyline for Cloud, Cloud is told he'd find his favorite flower in his own reality. And at the end of his fight scene with Sephiroth, Cloud tells Sephiroth;
"The one I really want to meet is..." and then his ending takes place--which is a field of his favorite flower which happens to be Aerith's lilies. Dissidia's ending seemed to make it very clear who Cloud wanted to meet, time and time again, which is Aerith. And that's why I think VII's ending is so proClourith, because of what it means.

Believe me, I know why you like handscenes so much. They're romantic and sweet. But Cloud and Aerith's holding hand scenes is emphasized quite a lot, if I do say. So much so, in AC, the hand scene at bahamut's fight, Nomura said it was a "homage" to the ending of VII.

Amen sistah. KH to me was very Clourith, even if it was an AU. Especially the first KH, because Cloud's searching for his light. Later in KH II, he's still searching for his light, he's found Aerith but runs away from her because he doesn't want her involved (AHEM, stabby stabby anyone?) And the KHI Ending as well, when they meet up in Hallow Bastion was just so.. <3

Something else is that after just rewatching a clip (to ensure I was correct and not just pulling stuff outta my butt) from AC , Sephiroth asks Cloud what's most important to him because he wants to take it away. The first 3 (it's hard to count they go so fast xD) images are of Aerith... Flowerfield, reflection in his eyes, her hand reaching to him...

And then it shows Zack, and then Tifa, Marlene, etc.. The first two are obvious because Sephiroth had already taken them away from him (Well.. Zack to a lesser extent). But Aerith is first and foremost in his mind of flashbacks that he doesn't want to lose, because he already has... I think it's the resolve that Cloud needed to finally fuel his fire and take Sephiroth down.

What I mean to say, after all this blabbering.. is that in a lot of AU games, Clourith abounds.. Tactics, KH, Dissida.. She is what's important to him, she has already been taken away, and in every AU it seems that he's always out there searching for her. <3

This, this is one of the most important things about the LTD. Why do all three of teh official commercials all say that Cloud and Aerith are a bittersweet love, a love that could never be, or a tragic amore? It means a heck of a lot, especially when determining who Cloud loves. I think SE made it clear.

I don't know. A lot of LTD debaters just... don't ever dispute this fact. If it was to be Cloti, the line wouldn't exist. She doesn't die, they can live happily ever after. Who can't?

 

[GalaxyFlare]

In AU games they can afford to have cloud looking for Aeris/Aerith because S-E back ed them selves into a corner 13 years ago when they Killed Aeris in FFVII that they had no idea of the kind of reception She would receive even now 13 years after its initial release.

Classically Cloud&Aeris is the preferred choice, but the reality of things is that she is dead and Tifa exist.......So all debates aside Cloud&Tifa is realistic choice.

Dont yell at me Channi.

 

[Channizard]

So basically you're just saying that Tifa's getting Aerith's sloppy seconds? She's just second pick, only because Aerith is dead?

 

[GalaxyFlare]

No thats not what Im saying at all.....I dont think you can get what I mean?

Cloud is a man of strong will but quite demeanor, and in so being that way he would never just except the Death of Aeris so blithely to just move on to the next woman, thats just not the substance of the man.

He truly does love Tifa.............but Aeris is a part of his life, you have too understand that he loves both women equally...........just in different ways, Aeris because she opened him upto a new kind of world and made him want to experience more of it.

And Tifa because of the familiarity she represents and the advent of these feelings after the events in the lifestream.........when the true cloud resurfaced.

Outside of canon FFVII material S-E can have Cloud pursue Aeies as much as they want, but they cannot transfer that pursuit to FFVII Compilation........with out upsetting the story.

Is what I meant, if they want Cloud and Aeris they missed there chance officially and to me its the Compilation that takes precedence over anything else.

 

[DarkShadow]

I think Cloud loved Aeris more than Tifa....But when she died Cloud couldn't cope with it.In other words he still can't get over the fact that aeris is dead.

Sure Tifa loves Cloud you can tell that by watching Advent Children,but even in the end Cloud still thinks about Aeris (and Zack but thinks of him as a friend)..............at the end of the game he sees a ghost image of aeris and zack.

Same could be said throughout the game.........he hears and sees aeris through ghost images or whispers in his head. This clearly says he misses her dearly.

I think it's this way Tifa loves Cloud,Cloud loves Aeris,Aeris loves Cloud but of course there is a prblem between CloudxAeris in the current state FFVII is in.

 

[The Witch]

I saved this It's adorable

Thanks and I made it C:

Wow, I wasn't aware that the cards had little quotes like this. I gotta say though, is the Aerith quote followed specifically on the card? How else do we know that it's supposed to be Clourith? ...unless the quote IS on the card. xD

Yeah, her quote is on the card, along with a picture of Aerith.

Something else is that after just rewatching a clip (to ensure I was correct and not just pulling stuff outta my butt) from AC , Sephiroth asks Cloud what's most important to him because he wants to take it away. The first 3 (it's hard to count they go so fast xD) images are of Aerith... Flowerfield, reflection in his eyes, her hand reaching to him...

yup, that happens in AC/C. Very sweet, if you ask me.

What I mean to say, after all this blabbering.. is that in a lot of AU games, Clourith abounds.. Tactics, KH, Dissida.. She is what's important to him, she has already been taken away, and in every AU it seems that he's always out there searching for her. <3

Brava! That's it exactly. That's why I'm always left with the impression that it's Aerith Cloud loves.

I don't know. A lot of LTD debaters just... don't ever dispute this fact. If it was to be Cloti, the line wouldn't exist. She doesn't die, they can live happily ever after. Who can't?

They can't dispute it. But they try. And I agree. If Tifa was the one Cloud loved, what's with this commercial??


I agree, DarkShadow. Very nicely said.

GalaxyFlare, Although I disagree on Cloud loving Tifa, I get what you're saying and some of it makes sense to a certain degree.

 

[Tmoo]

Yeah, this....is turning into an LTD. i'ma step out before a mod comes in here and warns us all. i've said what i believe happens, i'll leave it at that. Aerith(s) shouldn't even be mentioned here IMO.

 

[Six]

I think the LTD was allowed again, as long as it's kept on a civil level. - That's what I heard anyway. Besides, no one's killing each other. (yet)

I'll state some more reasons when I'm not so busy thinking of other stuff. Work, etc. However, this isn't supposed to be an LTD, imo, seeing it's a question about what happens after - with Cloud and Tifa. Either way, though. It feels right to agree with Tmoo for me.

The ending of FFVII shows no future for Cloud and Aerith, period. I don't want to use the "she's dead" as a reason, but it should not be forgotten, that she is infact, no longer with them.

I think I'll post some more tomorrow.

 

[The Witch]

Well, none of us are at each other's throats yet, so is there really a problem?

Aerith is a consideration, though. Her death doesn't stop anything, to be honest. If Aerith wasn't as much of a threat as people make her out to be, I don't think Tifa would be jealous of her two years after her death.

And for all we know, Cloud could die in a new installment or Aerith could be brought back. I mean, do any of you honestly believe Yuna stopped loving Tidus after he died and they were separated from each other for two whole years? No. Yuna continued searching for Tidus and continued to love him until she found him two years later. Some would say that's identical to Cloud and Aerith, even.

And to be honest, this thread had a question that cannot be answered, seeing how nothing is going on for Cloud romantically, especially now. If he was with anyone, we would have seen it in Dirge of Cerberus or Case of Denzel... but again, we didn't see Cloud and Tifa together. In fact, it was the oposite of it, to be honest.

So in a way, if a fan happens to believe Cloud and Tifa are together I guess they can come up with their own idea. But officially, nothing is going on between them so why would we make up an ending?

It's, once again, left up to interpretation.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

So they kill the main protagonist of there most popular series just so he can be reunited
with Aeris?.............ok now we have problem of throat rippin proportions!

Death is the ultimate barrier of love!

Aeris cannot be brought back, there is no loop hole in FFVII mythology to suggest she can be, unless they have dragon balls or access to the spirit well, hell l got aeris back after she died but l cheated to achieve this.

Tidus and Yuna is a horrible analogy to use, the boy may have died but it was the very last thing we saw on FFX that suggested Tidus would came back, and S-E did very well
but Aeris is gone and they would have to re-write the laws off FFVII physics to bring her back!

Fan interpretation is all we have at his point.

But wait in Case of Denzel Tifa only says it rare of cloud to give her a call?
how do we know this does not mean they see each other all the time and has no reason to call her because of this fact?

Im clutching at straws there, bit it appears to be the norm of this topic.

 

[The Witch]

... No. I'm not saying she will come back. I'm saying, anything is possible. Believe me, when I played X I was heartbroken that another pairing for FF was ripped apart by death. And then there was X-2 and I had a fangirl dream come true.

FFVII is one of the most popular FF games of them all, if SE wanted to, they could bring Aerith back. Not saying that will happen, though. Jus' saying SE will do what they want.

And yes, you're right, death does prevent two lovers from being with eachother. Hence why SE referred to CloudxAerith as;
"A story of a love that could never be"

"A bitter war of love & hate"

"Amour impossible"

Their love was stopped because of death. But even if Cloud "moves on" to Tifa, that still doesn't take away his love for Aerith.

One can say it makes sense for Cloud to move on but his promised land will always be the one place Aerith loved most--her church. She will always be engraved in Cloud's heart. And they will always be a bitter love, an impossible love, and a love that could never be.

But just because they were torn from each other that doesn't mean Cloud doesn't love Aerith to this day. Odds are, if Cloud's promised land is with Aerith, she will be the one he always loves.

Think of it like with Titanic, Rose moves on and marries and has kids, but the one she is reunited with is Jack.

So sure, people can go ahead and say Cloud and Tifa are together whatever, I don't care. But it's Aerith who's engraved in his heart and she's the one he'll love until the end of time.

Heck, if she would have lived, Cloud and Aerith would have been married. But she died... and I guess some have the rights to say that death does prevent that.

But really, this is a fantasy world. What we can't do, they can most likely do.

Also,

But wait in Case of Denzel Tifa only says it rare of cloud to give her a call?
how do we know this does not mean they see each other all the time and has no reason to call her because of this fact?

Not likely. Especially since Cloud is off delivery crap across the world. Odds are, they're apart for a long period of time, in yet, no phone calls?? Riiiiight.

 

[Stoic Hero]

Why would Aerith want the wannabie when she could get the real hero? It's obvious ZackxAerith are meant to be together.

Cloud and Tifa already started somewhat of a family during Advent Children. And, I bet Cloud came home right after it ended. I'm pretty sure they get together.

 

[The Witch]

Why would Aerith want the wannabie when she could get the real hero? It's obvious ZackxAerith are meant to be together.

What? Aerith's always wanted Cloud. She loves him much much much more than she ever loved Zack. Aerith herself has said she is over Zack and loves Cloud for who he is. So how can they be meant to be together if she doesn't want anything to do with him?

Cloud and Tifa already started somewhat of a family during Advent Children. And, I bet Cloud came home right after it ended. I'm pretty sure they get together.

Have you played Dirge of Cerberus or read Case of Denzel? Nothing is going on between them in either of those games/novella. And Cloud was invited into the family by Marlene. Almost as if he himself was adopted into the family much like Denzel was. Less we forget Barret. He is Marlene's father after all.


Yeah, I'll go with the couple that was called; "A story of a love that could never be", "A bitter war of love & hate", "Amour impossible"--which was Cloud and Aerith, I must add.

 

[Channizard]

Aerith is a consideration, though. Her death doesn't stop anything, to be honest. If Aerith wasn't as much of a threat as people make her out to be, I don't think Tifa would be jealous of her two years after her death.

This. Good point. One thing that was very jealous of Tifa, I thought, in the movie was when they're talking at 7th Heaven, and she blurts out "Which is it... Our memory or us?"

Cloud doesn't want to go to the Ancient City because that's where it all happened. Furthermore, Kadaj is tainting Aerith's resting place by brainwashing the children. He doesn't want to see her deathbed tainted by Sephiroth further, you know? But at the same time, I think it's insenstive of Tifa to not realize or even think of it.. She was there herself, does it not mean anything to her?

And for all we know, Cloud could die in a new installment or Aerith could be brought back. I mean, do any of you honestly believe Yuna stopped loving Tidus after he died and they were separated from each other for two whole years? No. Yuna continued searching for Tidus and continued to love him until she found him two years later. Some would say that's identical to Cloud and Aerith, even.

To be fair, Yuna and Tidus were teenagers, raging with hormones.. Granted the VII team were in their early 20's, so not as raging but still raging.. the whole teenage love theme is active in X where the first person you meet at that age is the one and only love of your life. I'm not trying to diffuse it in anyway, it's just different.

Death is the ultimate barrier of love!

Aeris cannot be brought back, there is no loop hole in FFVII mythology to suggest she can be, unless they have dragon balls or access to the spirit well, hell l got aeris back after she died but l cheated to achieve this.

Not really. In the Novella Maiden Who Travels the Planet, Aerith witnessed Sephiroth using his will to spawn Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo. He was strong enough to use remnants to go to Cloud, because he was not yet physically tangible himself.. not without the help of the Jenova cells.

Aerith commented that maybe she could use her own will to appear to Cloud in some way, similar to how Sephiroth did it. However she said that she wanted to appear to Cloud as herself, how he saw and remembered her.

In the end of AC, she managed to accomplish that by reappearing to him several times (throughout the movie) and reawakening his memory of her. Also with the help of the Lifestream water in the Church, she managed to bring herself to him in a physical, viewable form.

I'm sure if she wanted, she could have accomplished more. Aerith's will, as a Cetra, is incredibly strong, almost as strong as Sephiroth's.

...also who says the LTD has to be civil? Kira, you're a Tifa-loving ho'bag.

...ilurly <3