What do you think of people coming to Britain etc.

[xnotjustadreamx]

Ok so after reading the thread about people being unable to speak much English, I thought I'd make a thread about the amount of people coming into Britain, France, Spain etc due to their country joining the EU.
It's pretty unfair, they're coming over unskilled, with low linguistic skills, taking our jobs and taxpayers benefits.
I stay near Glasgow, and one of the nearby towns, it already has dozens of college courses full of Polish people, and almost every person on a building site is foreign.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal rights and giving people the chance to earn a good living, and I also understand that a lot of Brits are moving abroad but we go over there, to start businesses, learn the language, etc.
More and more near-poverty stricken countries are joining our EU and it's pathetic, to me it seems like Europe is trying to become the new super-power to America and it's going to get out of control.
I'm just glad Britain hasn't changed to the Euro, lets keep something the same!

Opinions?​

 

[Davey Gaga]

Ech, I've not got many wholistic views on this, mainly personal views, so I wont say much. It is quite frustrating, though, when immigrants, illegal and legal, are being given money left, right and center just for being here. There was something on the news a while ago that it was suggested that people of an ethnic origin should be allowed free University education ... which is ridiculous.

I've not got anything else prepared right now, other than a small rant on how immigration numbers weren't monitored and we now have this problem.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The EU is one thing, we should never have joined them in the first place, look at the richest country in Europe, Switzerland, not part of the EU. And as for people coming to Britain, it NEEDS to stop, our Country is becoming less British every day, I read in a newspaper the other day that 25% of people born in Britain now are not of British Descent. A lot of these immigrants come over without job prospects or the ability to speak our language. What's more, our country is bending to these people's will, the children of Muslims, for example, are now allowed to wear all of their veils and stuff at school, whereas, had it been that we went to their country, we wouldn't have that choice of wearing out own clothes to school. If we contest what they say, they scream racism.
This Country is now no Longer Britain, it's just a hybrid.

 

[Cactuar]

There is an imigration problem in Britain, but its not the foreign workers fault, they're just taking advantage of the opportunity given to them by the useless and selfish government, which needs them to boost the economy massively in the short term, instead of sorting out the education system, the government is favouring the foreigners, making British citizens second class. In about 10-20 years, being British would be a very broad description, all thanks to the lazy government, it essentially comes down to the stupid British public, they're are the ones that are so apathetic about politics, and the parties are taking full advantage of this....wake up people!

The EU also, is a bad idea, only good for the richer nations involoved in it.

 

[Davey Gaga]

it essentially comes down to the stupid British public, they're are the ones that are so apathetic about politics, and the parties are taking full advantage of this....wake up people!

Oh aye, let's all blame the people of our country for taking another career path, or for presuming that the Government and Immigration are doing what they're there to do. How silly of us. I'm not sure that sweeping general statement about the 'stupid British public' is anything close to accurate, either.

 

[Cactuar]

Its all well and good ranting on about the state of the country, but what are you gonna do about it?, really? You need to look at the governments ultimate aims, and what direction they're going, are you going to vote when the time comes? i sure am, it depends what kind of nation do you want to live in, im not particularly patriotic and i don't mind all these foreigners, but what im concerned about is, the fact that most of them get more help and have more advantages than most British citizens.

 

[SapphireStar]

Ech, I've not got many wholistic views on this, mainly personal views, so I wont say much. It is quite frustrating, though, when immigrants, illegal and legal, are being given money left, right and center just for being here. There was something on the news a while ago that it was suggested that people of an ethnic origin should be allowed free University education ... which is ridiculous.

I've not got anything else prepared right now, other than a small rant on how immigration numbers weren't monitored and we now have this problem.

I agree 100% with you on this. Ive also been told that signs are going to be made into polish and polish families are being offered £1,000 per family member to return to Poland! As if Brits would recieve anything like this.

IMO Brits are becoming the lower population here in the UK because there are far too many immgrants and they are getting everything left right and center! Brits are losing jobs because polish people work for cheaper wage! Its disgusting how they are treated better then us almost!

What also makes me sick is when I watch shows like Crimewatch UK and most of the criminals, rapists and murderers are of a foregin culture!!

 

[Cactuar]

Its disgusting how the British government is letting this happen......the imigrants are just taking advantage of this.....they are treated better than British citizens, thats true, but it has to stop,....

I myself come from Poland, but my family has moved here, to England 8 years ago, to live rather than to work like cheap slaves.......i am fully fluent in English, (got a B for it at GCSE) and i even forgot some of my native tongue......

Anyways, before you throw your accusations, and say that all imigrants are evil, just look at the root of the problem, the Labour Government.

Oh and even some of the road signs are being put in Polish.....thats how bad it has gotten.....Britain's desperation for cheap labour, short term economy boost...

 

[Davey Gaga]

I agree 100% with you on this. Ive also been told that signs are going to be made into polish and polish families are being offered £1,000 per family member to return to Poland! As if Brits would recieve anything like this.

IMO Brits are becoming the lower population here in the UK because there are far too many immgrants and they are getting everything left right and center! Brits are losing jobs because polish people work for cheaper wage! Its disgusting how they are treated better then us almost!

Oh aye, definitely. My dad works in various power stations around the country, sometimes travelling down to England for months whenever they need him, and he comes back every night from work with another rant on how Polish people are getting this benefit, that sum of cash, this right and that bonus, simply because they're foreign and deserve it. At one point they were being paid twice my dads hourly wage. Why? To comepensate for the language barrier. Aye, it's really difficult to communicate with pipes. Twats.

What also makes me sick is when I watch shows like Crimewatch UK and most of the criminals, rapists and murderers are of a foregin culture!!

Well, aye. I take it you've heard of this latest Rhys Jones murder, aye? I saw on ITV the other children who'd been shot and whatnot. Every single one of them was either black or had a name similar to morse code. And we wonder why crime is suddenly abundant. That's not to say that every single immigrant has caused every single problem, but I'm not crossing it out of the equation, either.

I myself come from Poland, but my family has moved here, to England 8 years ago, to live rather than to work like cheap slaves.......i am fully fluent in English, (got a B for it at GCSE) and i even forgot some of my native tongue......

I actually appreciate how impartial you are to this, then xD It's a wonder you're not on the other side of the argument. As for your grade in English ... not to downplay your achievement, but the term 'English' in school these days is very loose, considering the English language isn't actually taught; it's all about the metaphors babeh xD

 

[Rasputin]

Since it's none of my concern whether Britain is overpopulated or not, I'm going to just say that it could probably hold a few million more immigrants and all the people trying to cross the Mexico/US border should be redirected to the UK.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

The worst thing about it all is that some families are receiving Child Benefit for children they have back in their home country, and who have no intent of moving here. Seriously, what the fuck is up with that?

It's starting to get out of hand I think. Fair enough, take a few immigrants but at the end of the day, we're our own country and we should look out for ourselves first and foremost, then take care of others once we're sure we're OK. That's what made us one of the biggest super powers on the planet all them years ago.

 

[Jazzel]

xnotjustadreamx]It's pretty unfair, they're coming over unskilled, with low linguistic skills, taking our jobs and taxpayers benefits.

Quite frankly, there are plenty of jobs open in Scotland, and in the UK, at the moment. In fact, this country has a deficit of semi and un- skilled labour which needs to be remedied. The solution? Immigrants, who work hard, and are often underpaid by unscrupulous employers.
You may want to consider the two phrases you put together there - low linguistic skills and claiming benefits. You may not have realised, but to claim benefits, you must fill out forms. It’s pretty hard to do that when your English is poor.
If you look at the data, the revenue created by the labour of immigrants far exceeds the amount paid in benefits. Also, if we’re talking about legal immigrants here (because of course, illegal immigrants can’t claim benefits because they would be found out then, wouldn’t they?), they are taxed as much as a normal British citizen. Anyhoo…

It is quite frustrating, though, when immigrants, illegal and legal, are being given money left, right and centre just for being here. There was something on the news a while ago that it was suggested that people of an ethnic origin should be allowed free University education ... which is ridiculous.

See above for the financial system. As for University education, why shouldn’t further education establishments use a system of positive discrimination? Certain groups of society are under represented at such institutes, even if they have the same potential, ambition and grades. It’s a positive step, and we should be promoting it.

look at the richest country in Europe, Switzerland

Definitely wrong there - Germany is the richest country in Europe, and they above all countries are Euro fanatic. We are second in Europe and 5th in the world.
I think you might have meant GDP per capita. In that case, your not far off - Switzerland is fifth in the world, but Luxembourg, which, like Germany, is Euro-mad, is first.

25% of people born in Britain now are not of British Descent

How do you define British descent? 1st generation? 2nd generation? It’s very theoretical, and depends on what a person’s view is. I would consider myself British, but others, with a strict sense of the term, might consider me Irish, as my grand parents on both sides were Irish.
In the end, Britain is a nation of immigrants - whether Danes in the 9th century, Normans in the 11th, or Huguenot French in the 17th, we’re all immigrants.

If we contest what they say, they scream racism.

I’ll admit that some things have gone to far. But you have to realise that the cases you are referring to are rarities which are pounced on by a media hungry for mass circulation and gossip. The majority of immigrants come here to live and work in peace, which they do to all extents and purposes.
[QUOTE =~SapphireStar~] What also makes me sick is when I watch shows like Crimewatch UK and most of the criminals, rapists and murderers are of a foregin culture!![/quote]
Ditto above. The media is very good at taping into people’s fears. You all seem intelligent, so look past the news stories and use your brains to realise that, just like any other product, their out to sell you something. Would you seriously read a news story about corporate criminals defrauding a trade union, or a company executive scamming Health and Safety? No - because it doesn’t sell.

Every single one of them was either black or had a name similar to morse code

And lo! Ladies and gentleman, we reach the crux of the problem - the fear of the big black bogeyman! He’s out to get you -RUN!
Seriously though - it’s this fear of the unknown that’s keeping us in this perpetual cycle of xenophobia. It’s likely that these men are already British citizens - in fact, their forefathers may have lived in this country for far longer than mine’s have ever done. Liverpool has a large and vibrant Black population which has been rooted in the city since the 17th century.
Don’t you realise that it’s the economic conditions that are producing these tragic events, and not race? I thought, as a civilised country, you would have discarded such horrible and abhorrent ideas, but of course, they always seem to remain, lurking.
It’s the poverty and depravation of the area that drove these kids to violence, and it happens to anyone caught up in that cycle of desperation.
[QUOTE = Pooley]The worst thing about it all is that some families are receiving Child Benefit for children they have back in their home country[/quote]
Please people- show some sources! As well as this being illegal in every respect, the chances of the government doing this when the EU already represents it’s citizens like this is minimal. Show me a newspaper article (preferably not from The Sun) that supports this, and then I’ll consider your argument.
Look people - wisen up. These people are just like you - they want to establish a home, a family, a job. They have probably came from situations incomprehensible to British sensibilities, and have survived them. They are brining skills, culture and labour to a country which was suffering from massive depopulation and decline, and kept millions of business afloat. They are the new wave of people to come to these islands searching for liberty. Let’s give them that chance, and accept them, ignoring tales which pander to human fears of the unknown. Use your minds and realise that by aspiring to come to Britain, they are in every sense of the word, British.

 

[SapphireStar]

Look people - wisen up. These people are just like you - they want to establish a home, a family, a job. They have probably came from situations incomprehensible to British sensibilities, and have survived them. They are brining skills, culture and labour to a country which was suffering from massive depopulation and decline, and kept millions of business afloat. They are the new wave of people to come to these islands searching for liberty. Let’s give them that chance, and accept them, ignoring tales which pander to human fears of the unknown. Use your minds and realise that by aspiring to come to Britain, they are in every sense of the word, British.

Yes and this is Britain. Learn the language for the love of God. We wouldnt get near anything like they recieve over here if we went to live in their country. Do you live in the UK? Many people, mostly builders have lost jobs over employers getting Polish people to do the work cheaper. Sacked cause they were British. These people get so much moeny its ridic and we are earning our arses off just to live in our country! Its sick and needs to stop.

 

[Doc Holliday]

^ Exactamundo.

And It's not the Polish people over where I live, it's the Arabs The only time I see polish people is on the bus xD

 

[xnotjustadreamx]

Since it's none of my concern whether Britain is overpopulated or not, I'm going to just say that it could probably hold a few million more immigrants and all the people trying to cross the Mexico/US border should be redirected to the UK.

Uh.. are you forgetting that you could fit about 50 Great Britains into America.. in fact make it double or whatever. We have a small country and were proud to have our Empire. We basically populated America and Australia as most people (except other immigrants) are descended from British people, and now we're the ones who are in trouble.

It's quite ironic to think that the EU, NATO etc were all formed because of the past wars we've had and now being 'at peace' is causing more problems for us.

Thing is the area I live in, (and for all the good that there is) it has bad housing estates, high unemployment, seemingly bad schools, crime etc. And that was with Scottish people as it is. That last thing we need is people from a different country, getting our houses from the councils, taking the little jobs we have or the benefits, filling our classrooms and colleges making our schools cramped and taking a now equal part in crime. Yes I blame the government but it's not as though we can't do anything, we all still get to vote.

And the fact Scotland MIGHT or MIGHT NOT become independant from the UK is certainly not going to make things better... I dread to think what things may be like in 20 or so years. William Wallace must be turning in his grave lmao

 

[xnotjustadreamx]

P.S

You may want to consider the two phrases you put together there - low linguistic skills and claiming benefits. You may not have realised, but to claim benefits, you must fill out forms. It’s pretty hard to do that when your English is poor.

Ever heard of a careers officer?? They get people to do it for them. No need to try and get smart.

I couldn't edit my previous comment the lil thingamajig just kept spinning for half an hour and wouldn't save

 

[Saix]

The fact we have to accommodate their needs over our own nationality sickens me to the very bowels. Investing time on this subject to develop an opinion other than that just... aggravates me.

Illegal or otherwise... just fuck off already.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Since it's none of my concern whether Britain is overpopulated or not, I'm going to just say that it could probably hold a few million more immigrants and all the people trying to cross the Mexico/US border should be redirected to the UK.

Just shift the problem. Right, that totally makes sense.

See above for the financial system. As for University education, why shouldn’t further education establishments use a system of positive discrimination? Certain groups of society are under represented at such institutes, even if they have the same potential, ambition and grades. It’s a positive step, and we should be promoting it.

No, no we bloody well should not. Why should an immigrant be allowed free University education, when British citizens are still required to pay the rather hefty sums? If they weren't able to pay for University, then they either shouldn't have been able to get that far, or shouldn't be there at all. It's rules for some and rules for others. I have the same potential, ambition and grades as one or two of the Indians in my school (and, not to toot my own horn, but they're bloody good grades) so why should I have to pay and the Indians should not? It's almost as if the racism and discrimination has been turned our way instead.

How do you define British descent?

The same way you define Maltese descent, French descent and German descent. My relatives moved over to Malta about ten years ago and, while there, had a baby. By LAW, that baby was not allowed to be called Maltese, even though she was born in Malta. By LAW, she was defined British. What makes it different for us?

I’ll admit that some things have gone to far. But you have to realise that the cases you are referring to are rarities which are pounced on by a media hungry for mass circulation and gossip.

Evidently, you've not been personally screwed over by an immigrant recently. You have to realise, too, that the Media doesn't make up stories - granted, they're often exaggerated, but to what extent can you blame them for this problem? Well, not very much, to be honest. There IS a problem and that's why the media has focused on it. Parallel to that, the Media is reporting on racist acts and crimes, more often than not.

And lo! Ladies and gentleman, we reach the crux of the problem - the fear of the big black bogeyman! He’s out to get you -RUN!

I sincerely hope you're not waving the racism flag at me. That would just be a silly move. Regardless of what you are accusing me of here, actually, that does not change the FACT that every single one of those murdered teenagers were black.

Look people - wisen up. These people are just like you - they want to establish a home, a family, a job.

Broaden up. How many jobs have been taken by immigrants, illegal and legal? How much of the (over?)population has been contributed to by immigrants? How many people have lost their homes because an immigrant, passing themselves off as British, hasn't payed money, or has screwed someone over? A bloody lot. Sure, a white person is just as likely to do such a thing as a black person, but there are a number of circumstances which arise purely because of their descent.

Thing is the area I live in, (and for all the good that there is) it has bad housing estates, high unemployment, seemingly bad schools, crime etc. And that was with Scottish people as it is.

You really DO live near Glasgow xD

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Please people- show some sources! As well as this being illegal in every respect, the chances of the government doing this when the EU already represents it’s citizens like this is minimal. Show me a newspaper article (preferably not from The Sun) that supports this, and then I’ll consider your argument.

'Twas on BBC news about two nights ago. I didn't exactly record it, but there's your source.

Also, concur with Saix. Fuck off and fix your own country instead of ruining ours.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Actually, as an addendum to what Pooley and Saix have just said ... it's not like Britain and the rest of the EU doesn't donate copious sums of money very frequently to such countries.