What do you think of people coming to Britain etc.

[xnotjustadreamx]

BUT, there are the right wankers. Who come to reap the benefits of the 'lax' system, take benefits, commit crime, not bother with the language, etc. This I despise. Just the same as these 'ethnic communities', which are basically little villages within cities that are almost completely muslim, or polish, or whatever. ie." We're too good for England so we'll be our own little poland in London!" They have their own shops, everything is in their language which they all speak - as if they were actually living in their home country, but LEECHING OFF THE BRITISH BENEFIT SYSTEM, HIGHER WAGES, SAFER STREETS ETC!. THOSE are the immigrants that really piss me off, but there aren't half as many of those as there are 'good' immigrants, which I (personally) deem my family and many, many other families out there to be.

I completely agree with you on this, I'm all for multi cultured and equal opportunities, a Spanish doctor or a doctor with British descent could end up saving your life and then people don't complain do they! I myself am studying Spanish and I'd love to go to Spain or another country to work, or be a translator or teach English - but in doing so am also contributing to the foreign country itself. My french teacher was french and it was lovely having someone teach me who knew what they were talking about - and I got an A. People like this really do make a difference in Britain - but it's the ones who come over simply to claim benefits without trying to become a part of the British culture or lifestyle - whether it be stuborness or ignorance. The British Government is just too hung up on money to care about it's own people though.

Yeah, sorry, i get too opinionated at times, i sometimes wish i could just live in ignorance, it would be easier that way...

No problem dear :]

And yes, good point, about people in some of those countries, that they dont need to leave just because the doors opened in other countries like Scotland and England.....the fault is shared by both sides, GB relying on cheap labour to desperatly compete and secure their eceonomy amongst the major players in the EU....and countries like Poland, suffering from an imigrant problem aswell, but also coping with a majorly weaker economy, caused by the unproportionality of the EU...those countries with weaker positions, should deperatly try and fix their own economy, not go looking for work abroad, worsening the problem elsewhere....in the end, people wont change......its upto the governments, to find out where their priorities are, be it with the bettering of their nations, or just to feed their greed for power and money....

Yup and the sad thing is it's not as though the Government is going to go back on anything.. it can only really get worse. But what I always worry about is.. if we all merge then will there be such a thing as seperate countries anymore?

 

[SapphireStar]

For heavens sake, most immigrants have just moved here. Do you expect them to learn English to a naturalised level within a few months? What if you were forced to learn French to a refined, advanced level within two months, could you?
The fact that most immigrants take the time to learn the language, often to a better standard than most Brits.

They should learn the langauage of a country they expect to live in. Its to help make our lives easier. We do learn the language of countires we are going to visit and most of the time when we get there, they are already speaking English! Do you expect Brits to learn Polish to make their lifes easier? Hell no!

And you say that some immigrants have better English then Brists?! Rofl, thats the lark of the month for me. Ive never met one!

 

[Cactuar]

Yup and the sad thing is it's not as though the Government is going to go back on anything.. it can only really get worse. But what I always worry about is.. if we all merge then will there be such a thing as seperate countries anymore?

Yeah, ive talked about this in another thread, the EU will merge all nations together, and create just one big messed up economy, where only a few elite countires will reap the benefits....just to compete with the US and China...

They should learn the langauage of a country they expect to live in. Its to help make our lives easier. We do learn the language of countires we are going to visit and most of the time when we get there, they are already speaking English! Do you expect Brits to learn Polish to make their lifes easier? Hell no!

And you say that some immigrants have better English then Brists?! Rofl, thats the lark of the month for me. Ive never met one!

Lulz, the majority of todays British youth cant even spell 4 letter words properly, unless the word is 'Chav', not all, but some schools need to be sorted out, and i may be what you call one of those 'imigrants' i have lived in England for about 8 years, it took me about 4 to learn the language fluently...

I dunno, but maybe if the government is so keen to look for cheap labour, they should invest in sorting out problems like language difficulties. Which they are doing....but putting up road signs in Polish, and spending shitload of money is the wrong way to go about it....again they are just short term sollutions......but i agree, it shouldnt have to be the governments job to look after the imigrants soooo much, the least the foreign workers could do is make the effort the learn the language of the country they are gonna be working in.....some do, but not nearly enough...

 

[Davey Gaga]

Riku - I'm a University student just now, so listen to me - it doesn't cost money! Tution fees, gradute endowments, University matriculation fees... they are all paid for you by the Goverment.

The spokesman was speaking about living fees[/] i.e food, clothing, rent, TV license. The actual University fees are paid for. Don't fret about it, honestly - I wouldn't have went to University if I had to be tution fes and what not on top of money needed for actual living.

Right, I hung back from replying yesterday because I knew that I'd be attending a Higher Education conference today, where spokes(wo)men told us everything about whichever Univeristy shop we attended and, at the latter end, we received a lecture on the financial implications of going to University.

You don't pay anything until you've fully graduated and you're in a full time job, earning more than £15,000 per annum. What that newsreport stated was that ethnicities were going to have free University education AND STILL NOT PAY IT BACK, even when they meet said criteria; hence my rant and rage.

 

[Finnegan III]

It's all the immigrants fault, yep sure they "steal our jobs" because they work harder than most of us lazy cunts and they get paid less, that's their fault too as well I assume, not the employers fault, oh no it's not like they're trying to get away with paying an immigrant less money because they can.

No the employer is right, I mean he has Britains full interests at heart, not their profits at all. So if a Polish person wants a job for less money, and a brit wants it for more, he'll employ the hard working Briton........wait hang on.


NO! That's fucking bullshit and you know it is! You're blaming a worker for being content with what he earns and what his EMPLOYER pays him, it is the EMPLOYERS who are to blame. Not the Worker, it is the employer out for his profits. You are blaming the wrong people.

 

[xnotjustadreamx]

It's all the immigrants fault, yep sure they "steal our jobs" because they work harder than most of us lazy cunts and they get paid less, that's their fault too as well I assume, not the employers fault, oh no it's not like they're trying to get away with paying an immigrant less money because they can.

No the employer is right, I mean he has Britains full interests at heart, not their profits at all. So if a Polish person wants a job for less money, and a brit wants it for more, he'll employ the hard working Briton........wait hang on.


NO! That's fucking bullshit and you know it is! You're blaming a worker for being content with what he earns and what his EMPLOYER pays him, it is the EMPLOYERS who are to blame. Not the Worker, it is the employer out for his profits. You are blaming the wrong people.

You trying to say I don't work hard? That a foreign person would work with the public, British culture and customs better than a Brit? Are you saying that they have more loyalties towards Britain and its businesses than us? I work on a £4 per hour wage cause I'm under 18, on a 4 hour contract as a student. I put in loads of extra hours and despite the low pay I stick it out. I work harder than most of the adults in the place and always keep myself busy. Lazy cunts? Oh yeah?

 

[Finnegan III]

You trying to say I don't work hard? That a foreign person would work with the public, British culture and customs better than a Brit? Are you saying that they have more loyalties towards Britain and its businesses than us? I work on a £4 per hour wage cause I'm under 18, on a 4 hour contract as a student. I put in loads of extra hours and despite the low pay I stick it out. I work harder than most of the adults in the place and always keep myself busy. Lazy cunts? Oh yeah?

British British oh jolly good how great it is to be British. Man you talk like the place you were born should be important and have relevance, well it shouldn't. Your parents had sex in Britain, that is all, you had no choice over it so why should you be loyal and think "british" people have more of a right to something because they were born here.

What I'm saying is that when you say they're "taking your jobs" you're talking a big crock of shit, they aren't taking them away from you, your employers are offering your jobs to the immigrants for lower wages. It is not the immigrants fault it is the employer who is giving your job to someone else who has no idea that they are taking the job from someone for lower wages as far as they're concerned a job is a job if they can get it, I'm sure you'd be the same, I know how hard it is to find a job when you're under 18.

And alot of British people are incredibly lazy, I should know I'm one of those incredibly lazy people, and if someone gets my job because I'm slacking, I'll accept that, however alot of people don't accept blame for anything so they blame it on the person who has their job now, and funnily enough they're Polish, so ALL the poles are stealing out jobs. It's like Video games, if a child brutally murders someone the parents refuse to believe it was their fault so it MUST be video games giving him ideas. Scapegoating is a very easy way to pull your arse out of the fire, but you all think no one notices this, aren't you wrong.

Besides if you work so hard, why worry about an immigrant "taking your job" if people are losing their jobs it's for a reason, either their employer is greedy and wants to pay workers less or you generally fail at the job.

Stop blaming the workers.

 

[xnotjustadreamx]

Actually Finnegan I'm proud to say I'm Scottish and I care more about Scotland than I do Britain, but still think of myself as a loyal Brit. If you don't have loyalties towards your country then its another example of how our generation is single-handledly going to flush our nation down the pan.

Last night whilst at my friends house, her parents and another couple were talking about the Polish workers, they admitted that they are brilliant hardworking workers, obviously because they have to be, and I didnt deny that they are good workers.

The point I was addressing was the fact that the slackening of immigration laws thanks to the ever expanding EU is making wealthier countries like the UK, Ireland, and other countries suffer, not financially but for the existing residents who are now struggling harder than before to find work.

 

[Esp]

There's no point blaming the workers or the employers, because they're just there to give and take opportunities lawfully provided for/to them. The only real blame lies in the lax immigration laws.

But then I'm no expert on EU policy, and if it is illegal for England not to allow people without a sort of 'work' permit in to the country thent he only option is to withdraw from the EU. However, why would the government do that? As far as I can see, cheap labour is boosting the economy like a biatch and the more that happens, the more willing 'Britain' (read: the british government) will be to allow these immigrants in.

Again, blame the government, their policies, blah blah. At the end of the day, it's all just monetary figures on a spreadsheet to them.

 

[Finnegan III]

Actually Finnegan I'm proud to say I'm Scottish and I care more about Scotland than I do Britain, but still think of myself as a loyal Brit. If you don't have loyalties towards your country then its another example of how our generation is single-handledly going to flush our nation down the pan.

Last night whilst at my friends house, her parents and another couple were talking about the Polish workers, they admitted that they are brilliant hardworking workers, obviously because they have to be, and I didnt deny that they are good workers.

The point I was addressing was the fact that the slackening of immigration laws thanks to the ever expanding EU is making wealthier countries like the UK, Ireland, and other countries suffer, not financially but for the existing residents who are now struggling harder than before to find work.

I'd prefer this country to go down the pan, I want all countries to go down the pan, I think it's disgusting how we let a group of highly powerful men decide that we should be seperated into countries and segment us off and stop us roaming freely and working together as a world, but the only way that'll happen is when a leader more powerful than all others will unite the world with violence.

It's digusting, we're all human beings why the hell are we letting our leaders define who is not british. This segmentation causes tension, it stops people being free. (Call me a hippy if you want) It's why we still have things like war and famine. We're all too busy pleasing our own governments to be bothered with people in Sudan.

I have no loyalties to this country, I don't see why you should you have no control over where you were born so why the hell should you be loyal because you were born there. It's hard for everyone to find work, and everyone finds work obviously some people aren't looking hard enough, most of these people who can't "find work" tend to be racist and looking for a minority to blame. Or the media are scaremongering you all and you're lapping it up like Kittens at Milk.

Do you know anyone personally who's had a hardtime finding work because of immigrants?

I sure as hell don't, and I work with a Polish guy, he was there before me actually and I still got a job there.

It strikes me that you're all reading the Daily Mail too much you need to think for yourselves, see it for yourselves.

 

[Grimoire Valentine]

Fin, I was about to have a rant, I now don't need to as you have said exactly what I would have said, except I would have sworn more.

God bless you, sir.