Playstation Too many RPGs, where should I start?

[Marill]

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, or if topics like these are naughty

I'm a huge game buying addict, especially nowadays with a certain indie store selling PS2, sometimes rare games off for £2 - 10. Anyways now after finishing Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 (great games, I really recommend them), I'm at a loss at what to play next. Has anyone played anything in my list, if so can you recommend a one to play.

Yeah my collection is way too big :wtf: I can't help myself lol. Games in this colour I'm leaning more towards

(edited 23 November )
Ar Tonelico 2
Atellier Iris 1 & 2
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
Dark Cloud 1 & 2/Dark Chronicles
Disgaea 1
Dragon Quest
Granadia 2
Mana Khemia
Odin Sphere
Phantasy Star Universe
Rogue Galaxy <- disk is broken
Shadow Hearts Conevant
Shadow Hearts From The New World
Shin Megami Tensei - Lucifer's Call/Nocturne *
Star Ocean Till The End of Time
Suikoden 5 <- disk is broken
Valkyrie Profile
Xenosaga 2

PS1: Kouldeka (almost forgot about that, dunno how to spell it mind you)

I love rpgs of any type, turn based/action etc.. the lot. Recently I've played and adored the Shin Megami Tensei series, and Star Ocean on the Xbox is amazing despite the criticism I've seen on other gaming sites. Tbh all I'm really looking for is a half decent story as Digital Devil Story had me gripped, and I've never finished any game so quickly just to find out what happens next - I'm a lvl/item/skills etc.. grinder usually

* Yeah this should be obvious choices, but I do want to play something different. I have just finished Star Ocean Last Hope on the xbox so Til the End of Time is back on my list properly.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted with cookies

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

Well, i'd say to try Odin Sphere, I have the game and it is AMAZING, as well as that I suggest Rogue Galaxy, Disgaea, I hear Mana Khemia is quite good and even though you said otherwise, I suggest at some point playing Lucifer's Call as it is an incredible game, VERY difficult with multiple endings. Dark Cloud 1 is pretty good too, with customisable weapons and such

 

[Marill]

Big cookies for you for replying so quickly
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I did start playing Lucifer's Call the other day as it was one of the few I tested, and it does look just as good as the other Megatens. I just didn't want to play all my Megatens at once, as the next one I'll be getting might not come out in the UK for ages (Persona 1 or the P3 remake *shrug*). About the multiple endings, how soon do I have to worry about affecting them? Digital Devil had it's difficult moments (the second to last boss on 2 for example, what a nightmare!), how bad is it compared to that?

I tried Disgaea as well a while back, and it looks a lot of fun. I'm not used to Tactical RPGs, this would be by first stab at them. I wonder if it's a good one to start off with.

Lol there's so many good games, it's impossible for me to choice. How I chose Star Ocean for my first xbox game is I played an hour of each game to see what gripped me the most, with this many games you can imagine XD I only had 3 games on the xbox at the time, lol.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

Well, I personally haven't played Lucifer's Call but I have watched vids/spoke to people about it and it does look like fun (been after the game myself for AGES) as for multiple ending, can't say i'm sure what affects them, probably at crossroads in the story or something. And I agree about the second to last boss, HATED him xD

As for Persona, I suggest 3 and 4, both really good games to try out

 

[Marill]

Ah. Lucifer's Call is quite rare, of all places I found a copy in Tenerife while visiting family lol.

I have played Persona 3 and 4, I adored them. I'm playing through another game on 3 at the moment, and I'll probably get the PSP port of it when and if it's released here. I'd love to try out 1 and 2, but they were never released here

That boss on Digi, grr. I tried lots of different skills on the team, and no matter what he did something else in the rematch which would make me think "oh crap, I should of equipped that one skill". The last boss was so much easier, it was just tedious esp without skills like Debilitate, Dekaja etc.. Pain.

 

[Moogles]

Has anyone suggested you try some of the Tales games?

Tales of the Abyss (PS2), Tales of Symphonia (English version on Gamecube), and Tales of Vesperia (Xbox 360/PS3) are all amazing games. There are several earlier Tales games like Phantasia, Eternia, and Destiny (wouldn't recommend playing Legendia) for the PS1. The more recent games are far better, in my opinion.

 

[Shu]

Add Xenogears to the list if you haven't tried it yet. I enjoyed that game thoroughly, but there are threads out there where I have laid my fanmanism about it.

Also Chrono Cross and maybe Chrono trigger (if you like old school). So there you go.

 

[Cecily]

I can personally vouch for Suikoden V. Have you played the other Suikoden games yet? I've played III, IV, Tactics and V (I know, blasphemy that I haven't played II), and I'd say it's second best out of those four, right behind III. I love that series so much. The battle system is unlike any other game I've played.

 

[Ironman]

I haven't played ANY of the games on your list, so i figured i shall propose a game to you that isn'ton there.

Legend of Dragoon: it has an ace battle system and an evenbetter version of the 'limit' system with the abilityto dragoonise, also, with the combo attack ability, it's just awesum

 

[Marill]

Wow lots of replies, thanks .. cookies for everyone.

Has anyone suggested you try some of the Tales games?

Yep, I did

Unfortunately the guys who make those games seem to have a grudge against Europe and refuse to release most of them here. It's probably a good thing cos my list is huge enough lol. I do have Vesperia, Symphonia (gamecube) and two psp games (Eternia and Radiant Mythology).

I'm still waiting for the Wii game, November

Add Xenogears to the list if you haven't tried it yet. I enjoyed that game thoroughly, but there are threads out there where I have laid my fanmanism about it.

Also Chrono Cross and maybe Chrono trigger (if you like old school). So there you go.

Gah Xenogears wasn't released here either, sigh. Neither was Chrono Cross, but I already knew about that. Being a European gamer is cruel sometimes.

I do have Trigger on my DS though, great game

I can personally vouch for Suikoden V. Have you played the other Suikoden games yet? I've played III, IV, Tactics and V (I know, blasphemy that I haven't played II), and I'd say it's second best out of those four, right behind III. I love that series so much. The battle system is unlike any other game I've played.

My sister introduced me to them, I bought 5 on the cheap. I have played my sisters copies of 1, 2 and 4 briefly (3 wasn't released here, it was cancelled wtf). I did like the look of 2, but I wasn't keen on the opening battles in 4. The ship battle was all right but there was a one on one battle that was odd. I'm guessing 5 has something similar, I liked the good old turn based normal battles though and I've played 5 a little to get interested in the story.

I haven't played ANY of the games on your list, so i figured i shall propose a game to you that isn'ton there.

Oooh you people shouldn't be suggesting more games for me XD My collection's huge enough hehe. Luckily only one I can buy without modding my ps2 *adds Legend of Dragoon to list*

Sooo summing up..
Odin Sphere, Rogue Galaxy, Disgaea, Lucifer's Call, Suikoden 5 (and another forum suggested Dragon Quest). Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

 

[SapphireStar]

Good choices there, got most of them myself. The Persona series is the best RPG series Ive ever played, it ranks above Final Fantasy for me! Shadow Hearts series is great too, but I would avoid the PS2 Suikoden series, they were so poor and were nothing compared to 1 and 2. Never played 3. The Wild Arms series is great western RPGs, so much fun and great OSTs. Plus Legend of Legaia games, there are only 2, but they are still fun and the battle system is just awesome!

 

[Cecily]

My sister introduced me to them, I bought 5 on the cheap. I have played my sisters copies of 1, 2 and 4 briefly (3 wasn't released here, it was cancelled wtf). I did like the look of 2, but I wasn't keen on the opening battles in 4. The ship battle was all right but there was a one on one battle that was odd. I'm guessing 5 has something similar, I liked the good old turn based normal battles though and I've played 5 a little to get interested in the story.

Please ignore Suikoden IV. I mean, finish it if you get the chance, but you're not missing much. (I don't hate it as much as most people do, but it's really the worst in the series.)

but I would avoid the PS2 Suikoden series, they were so poor and were nothing compared to 1 and 2. Never played 3.

But Suikoden III is great! It's the last one that takes place in the same general region as I and II, so try it if you get the chance, even if you hated IV and V. It's better than those. It's fun to see some of the younger characters in II grown up in III.

 

[SapphireStar]

Sadly 3 wasnt released in the UK I so wanted to play it, makes no sense the next 2 terrible ones are released here, but 3 is skipped!!

 

[Marill]

I'm really grateful for all the replies so far, but I'm just so damned useless I haven't picked anything yet I've cheated and ended up playing Star Ocean on the XBOX, and replaying Persona 3 (bloody incredible game, lurve it). I've narrowed it down a little to..

Dark Cloud 2/Dark Chronicles
Dragon Quest VIII
Rogue Galaxy
Shadow Hearts From The New World (only cos I've had it so damned long, it was a Xmas pressie lol)
Shin Megami Tensei - Lucifer's Call
Suikoden 5

My sis suggests playing all of them at once and see how many I can keep up with XD She was probably joking, but I'm weird enough to consider it haha.

Good choices there, got most of them myself. The Persona series is the best RPG series Ive ever played, it ranks above Final Fantasy for me! Shadow Hearts series is great too, but I would avoid the PS2 Suikoden series, they were so poor and were nothing compared to 1 and 2. Never played 3. The Wild Arms series is great western RPGs, so much fun and great OSTs. Plus Legend of Legaia games, there are only 2, but they are still fun and the battle system is just awesome!

For me Persona and Digi Devil Saga is tied with FF7 & FF10, they really deserve to be played by all rpg fans. The story for all of them I've played so far have been jaw dropping amazing, P4 was predictable in places but I still didn't see the killer coming, and the True Ending was amazing. The killer was spoiled for me on youtube, so "guessing" him later on was a breeze (and how to get the good/true ending's a challenge if u dont have a guide) but I still didn't have a clue whatsoever. P3/Digi it was impossible for me to stop playing sometimes, the only time I gave both of them a breather was because of some silly slip up that's gave me Game Over (or in Digi's case, incredibly uber bosses where you have to have a certain skillset and strategy or the floor will be wiped).

Must.. resist.. temptation.. to look.. up.. other rpgs.. have enough. gah! You guys are mean suggesting other games not on my list

Please ignore Suikoden IV. I mean, finish it if you get the chance, but you're not missing much. (I don't hate it as much as most people do, but it's really the worst in the series.)

I only have Suikoden 5 on the ps2, and that only cost me £2/£3 lol. 5 doesn't look too bad, and my sis rates it highly and she's an addict for Persona 3/4 as well. She's the one with Suikoden 1, 2 & 4 - and a US copy of 3 she can't play lmao. 4 did not give me a good first impression.

I'm curious, why was it so bad? Story, characters, battling? I usually find with some games that I like the ones everyone hates lol, Megaten and some FF's excluded lol.

Sadly 3 wasnt released in the UK I so wanted to play it, makes no sense the next 2 terrible ones are released here, but 3 is skipped!!

It doesn't make any sense does it? UK/Europe are really gipped when it comes to a lot of rpgs, Namco/Bandai and Atlus are the worst offenders. The Xenosaga series was odd as well, only 2 was released o_0 and it came with a dvd with cutscenes from 1. Why? Anybody who's played that series, is it true 2 ends on a cliffhanger, I really don't want to play it otherwise

 

[ffking]

dude persona 3 for sure role playing at its best
mmhmm id say u should try suidoken 3 or 5 dont try 4 its boring(if u havnt already played it srry didnt read full list )

for psp id say Jeanne D'Arc

 

[Exire]

EDIT: Didn't see your most recent post. Sucks to be me. XD You can just scroll down to my little 'edit' mark if you like.

Ar Tonelico 2
Atellier Iris 1 & 2
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
Dark Cloud 1 & 2/Dark Chronicles
Disgaea 1
Dragon Quest
Granadia 2
Mana Khemia
Odin Sphere
Phantasy Star Universe
Rogue Galaxy
Shadow Hearts Conevant
Shadow Hearts From The New World
Shin Megami Tensei - Lucifer's Call/Nocturne *
Star Ocean *
Suikoden 5
Valkyrie Profile
Xenosaga 2

PS1: Kouldeka (almost forgot about that, dunno how to spell it mind you)

I bolded the ones I've played, if that wasn't obvious from the start.

I have Disgaea 1 on the PSP. It's a really great game/series, if you like SRPG's, I recommend it in a heartbeat. But if you like to complete everything, make sure you have plenty of time. And by plenty of time I mean hundreds of hours. You can level into the thousands, its absurd. Nippon Ichi comes out with some great stuff though.

Rogue Galaxy is a solid JRPG. Its your typical RPG, has all of the oddball elements you expect ouf of Japan. A talking cat, a pirate ship with sails, with a rocket engine on the back flying through outer space. Of course one would wonder how you can walk on the deck and look outside while in the zero oxygen vacuum of space. XD But really, its a solid game. Probably not the best on the list, but its probably on sale by now.

If you played and liked the first Shadow Hearts, you owe it to yourself to get Covenant. It's a great game, a direct sequel to the original. I've heard bad things about the third Shadow Hearts, but I haven't played it so I can't say. Anyway, its an all new cast of characters, except for Yuri who's full of brand new fusions to unlock. The story is really good, I personally think its better than the first.

Now about Suikoden. I-III are considered amazing, especially the second one. But only collectors can afford the second one, partly why I'm praying for the PSN to put it up there with the original. I played IV, which sucked horribly, don't even touch it. Suikoden V greatly impressed me though. The cast of characters are unique and interesting, the story is VERY good. It's the best story I've played in a game since Xenogears. And to those who have played the latter, that's REALLY saying something. The war battles can be challenging, the story is long and quite interesting, full of surprising twists and turns, one leaving me absolutely shocked, another rarity. Granted, I've only played Suikoden I, IV, and V, but of the three V is the best. Basically, if you want an RPG with a great story that will last you well beyond the 'usual' 40 hour RPG, grab it.

Finally, Xenosaga, my favorite video game series second to Final Fantasy itself. Getting Xenosaga II is entirely based on if you have Xeno I and if you really liked it. If you thought it was just alright or average, don't get Xeno II. Among Xeno fans, the second installment isn't as good. It's much shorter and acts somewhat as a buffer between the first and third Xenosaga's. When thinking of getting the game, its important to look at the long haul. Did you really like the first? Do you think you want to finish the trilogy? If yes to both, get Xenosaga II. It isn't as good as the first one, but you sort of need to play it to understand what's going on in Xenosaga III, which is leaps and bounds above the original Xenosaga. So...that decision is on you, I don't know what you thought of Xenosaga. Obviously, I was a huge fan and got the next two. I definitely wasn't disappointed. I'd go one higher and tell you to find Xenogears (PS1), but its not on your list and is a little expensive since its gotten more rare over time.

For the sequels in there, if you liked the originals, grab 'em. If you like SRPG's, get Disgaea, should be really cheap if your buying the PS2 version. Suikoden V is phenomenal, Rogue Galaxy is your typical JRPG, except more sci fi. It's pretty long too. If you liked Xenosaga, then I'd personally recommend Xenosaga II and Suikoden V. I really must highly recommend Suikoden V though. Seriously, its fantastic all around.

Ediiiit~

Dark Cloud 2/Dark Chronicles
Dragon Quest VIII
Rogue Galaxy
Shadow Hearts From The New World (only cos I've had it so damned long, it was a Xmas pressie lol)
Shin Megami Tensei - Lucifer's Call
Suikoden 5

Of that new list, Suikoden V definitely. I mean...God. I'd put it on my top 10 Most Underrated Games list. It's seriously good. And long, I like my RPG's long. Another long one is Dragon Quest VIII. Another very good game. Is it possible to get both? XD

I only have Suikoden 5 on the ps2, and that only cost me £2/£3 lol. 5 doesn't look too bad, and my sis rates it highly and she's an addict for Persona 3/4 as well. She's the one with Suikoden 1, 2 & 4 - and a US copy of 3 she can't play lmao. 4 did not give me a good first impression.

I'm curious, why was it so bad? Story, characters, battling? I usually find with some games that I like the ones everyone hates lol, Megaten and some FF's excluded lol.

There was a multitude of reasons wrong with it, especially with Suikoden fans. One thing about Suikoden is its feeling of continuation even though IV and V are stand alone. Numerous characters end up coming back as playable characters. A select few have been playable in every single one, like Viki and Jeane. There usually are significantly more though. In IV, there was only those two and Ted, a playable character in Suikoden I. But really, people were angry that there weren't more. Also, in every Suikoden you can have 6 characters in battle at a time. For the first time in Suikoden IV however, you could only have four. Outrage. Beyond that though, the story was very short for a Suikoden game at just 20 hours or so. To compare, I'm currently playing Suikoden V, haven't beaten it yet, close but I still have three or four new places to go. I'm 70 some hours in. Also with Suikoden IV, you travel by boat, and you can check your map to see parts of the map you've uncovered by traveling. The problem is you uncover very small slivers when you travel, plus you get into battles every few seconds. Then there are the invisible barriers around islands which can get you into two or three more unnecessary battles. Finally, each character levels once they get 1000 experience, much like FFVIII. It just makes leveling very easy to do, making hardly any part of the game remotely difficult. All in all Suikoden IV left what was mainstay in Suikoden and screwed just about everything else up from story to gameplay. Don't even look at it.

Longer paragraph than I meant there. Sorry. XD I forgot that Xenosaga I never came in Europe! Its a travesty. I recommend going somewhere like Blue Laguna, downloading the FMV's from Xenosaga I and watching them on your computer. Then play II and I would highly recommend buying Xenosaga III, which concludes the series and is...amazing. But only if you found the...FMV's in Xeno I to be exciting/interesting.

 

[Marill]

dude persona 3 for sure role playing at its best
mmhmm id say u should try suidoken 3 or 5 dont try 4 its boring(if u havnt already played it srry didnt read full list )

for psp id say Jeanne D'Arc

It really is
I can't play Suikoden 3, it's the only one not released in PAL format. I only have 5, and without an instruction manual lol.

PSP wise will probably be my next topic in here, luckily I'm busy with Dissidia (again!) and Dragoneer's Aria for the time being (then Star Ocean 1 & 2 )

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Exire 0_0 wow thanks for the huge reply. Just thought I should mention that every rpg on that list I already have. If it's not on the list it's probably not available in PAL or I've finished it (slight exaggeration I know). If I didn't say that in my opening post I will slap myself now *slaps* ow.

Anyways...

I have Disgaea 1 on the PSP. It's a really great game/series, if you like SRPG's, I recommend it in a heartbeat. But if you like to complete everything, make sure you have plenty of time. And by plenty of time I mean hundreds of hours. You can level into the thousands, its absurd. Nippon Ichi comes out with some great stuff though.

Tbh I haven't played much of any srpg I had. The PS2 one I played the tutorial, I had to test the game *shrug*, first battle in FF Tactics, and Astonisha Story on the psp. I'm not sure if I do like them or not, I haven't given them a fair chance *shrug* Level into the thousands!! 0_0 Here I thought Star Ocean's levelling was hugely different to what I was used to :S

I don't mind if a game's long, tbh. If it's good, I really don't mind if it takes me months to play Why do we have jobs anyway

Rogue Galaxy is a solid JRPG. Its your typical RPG, has all of the oddball elements you expect ouf of Japan. A talking cat, a pirate ship with sails, with a rocket engine on the back flying through outer space

Sounds like Skies of Arcadia (must play that after Tales of Symphonia lol) a little with the pirate ship. I like my scifi and rpgs, hmm. Probably why I love Star Ocean.

If you played and liked the first Shadow Hearts, you owe it to yourself to get Covenant. It's a great game, a direct sequel to the original. I've heard bad things about the third Shadow Hearts, but I haven't played it so I can't say.

I haven't been able to find the first one outside of ebay, I was lucky to find Conevant for only £3 (this is why I have so many ps2's, cheap as buttons in Grainger). Playing Conevant before the first doesn't sound like a good idea :/ Is the third game From The New World? the one based in New York? It doesn't seem too bad so far, maybe playing the "worst" one will make me really appreciate the other two

Now about Suikoden. I-III are considered amazing, especially the second one. But only collectors can afford the second one, partly why I'm praying for the PSN to put it up there with the original.

My sister managed, and she hasn't even played the thing yet 0_0 I tested it for her and it does look like a great game. Perhaps I should look up my ps1 emulator and look for a rom for the time being (lol something to do at work )

Suikoden V greatly impressed me though. The cast of characters are unique and interesting, the story is VERY good. It's the best story I've played in a game since Xenogears. The war battles can be challenging, the story is long and quite interesting, full of surprising twists and turns, one leaving me absolutely shocked, another rarity. Granted, I've only played Suikoden I, IV, and V, but of the three V is the best. Basically, if you want an RPG with a great story that will last you well beyond the 'usual' 40 hour RPG, grab it.

Suikoden 5 is getting more and more tempting. It's just the war battles that is putting me off, I did not like what I saw of the other battles in 4 when I tested that for my sis too :/ But other than that I am looking for a great story that'll keep me busy for ages, I think this is in my Top 3

Finally, Xenosaga, my favorite video game series second to Final Fantasy itself. Getting Xenosaga II is entirely based on if you have Xeno I and if you really liked it

:/ I only have 2 unfortunately, and it's not possible for me to get 1 or 3 unless I'm willing to mod my ps2 (I'm not, I'm awful at stuff like that). The PAL version of 2 comes with a bonus dvd apparently with some of the cutscenes from 1, in "movie" form. I haven't checked it yet but when I go to play it I will. If 2 ends on a cliffhanger leaving me wanting to play 3, then that's going to be a problem I can't emulate ps2 games, so I'm stumped

And long, I like my RPG's long. Another long one is Dragon Quest VIII. Another very good game. Is it possible to get both? XD

Me too

And yes it is I have them. Dragon Quest and Suikoden are in my Top 3, along with Lucifer's Call/Nocturne :/ I might do as my sister suggests and play all three, see which one catches my interest the most. That's how I picked Star Ocean on the Xbox when I had 3 to choose from then too.

Thanks again for the reply.

 

[Exire]

I LOVE Skies of Arcadia. I've played through it a few times at least. Not as much as Symphonia, but there's something about it I like. I think Rogue Galaxy takes the pirate thing pretty literally, especially with Captain Dorgendoa. He looks like a gigantic pirate. Of course he's wheeled in on a chair eating meat in his hand. Hilarious. Don't forget his talking cat either. I love my sci fi RPG's too, you'd probably love Xenosaga. But if you can't even get III either, then just leave it alone so you don't torture yourself. That really sucks though.

With Shadow Hearts 3, I'm just comparing it to the first two. Fans of Shadow Hearts as a whole don't like the third one since its a departure from the first two. People love Shadow Hearts for the dark ambiance it has. It's why I love it. But you really have to play the first one in order to play the second.

I don't suppose you could let me borrow Suikoden II? XD Seriously, it costs well over a hundred dollars now...at LEAST. For a PS1 game!! I've heard its one of the best RPG's period, by far the best Suikoden. I've wanted to play it for years. I'd have to beat the first Suikoden though, which I haven't gotten around to yet.

As for the war battles, Suikoden IV did that differently too. They were all ship battles. For the war battles, think more like a simplified Age of Empires, except with magic. Sort of like rock-paper-scissors. You know the deal. Archers beat cavalry, cavalry beat infantry, infantry beat archers, or something like that. They can be hard, but its a small price to pay for a great game. You only have a handful of them anyway. But they are way different from those ship battles.

Dragon Quest is fun...long. Leveling up is kind of slow and bosses are almost always hard. Lots of customizing you can do, much more of a traditional RPG. Like FFIX, having that medieval look to it. Story wise its good, far from the best but its more of a light hearted game, which I personally think is a welcome change.

What can I say, I like talking about RPG's...a lot. Oh yeah! I love Star Ocean too. I own all of them now, thanks to the PSP! Haven't beaten SOII yet, its a lot of fun though. I have SO4 for the Xbox, but its still in its wrapping. I have a serious backlog and no time to play them. Damn you college!

 

[Marill]

I don't suppose you could let me borrow Suikoden II? XD Seriously, it costs well over a hundred dollars now...at LEAST. For a PS1 game!! I've heard its one of the best RPG's period, by far the best Suikoden. I've wanted to play it for years. I'd have to beat the first Suikoden though, which I haven't gotten around to yet.

Lol. It'd be a problem if you were serious . One it's my sister's copy and she lives a good 4 and a half hours away from me via plane , and Two it's PAL. I think she paid about £50 for it, and 1.. each. 0_0

Video games should never be this expensive. They really shouldn't stop printing ps1 rpgs, it's a crime I say.

I love my sci fi RPG's too, you'd probably love Xenosaga. But if you can't even get III either, then just leave it alone so you don't torture yourself. That really sucks though.

I probably would love it, sucks really. I could check to see if 3's cutscenes are on youtube or bluelaguna, just in case. I can get the jist of 1 from the dvd provided with 2 I would hope, but they really didn't care about us Europeans regarding 3 :wtf:Sucks. Square at least are making it up to us nowadays, but Atlus, the guys that do Tales (one year it's taken Symphonia 2 to reach us after the Americans got it, Vesperia 10months) really don't care about countries other than Japan and America.

Being a European rpg gamer is a pain most of the time. Though it could be worse, Australians really get treat like crap the most

But you really have to play the first one in order to play the second.

Damn, I'll keep an eye on ebay more often and keep up with my ps2 hunt in my local Grainger Games (indie store, cheap as chips and is guaranteed to sell rare games cheapily without realising their true value). For now, the other "million" games I have will have to do XD

Sort of like rock-paper-scissors. You know the deal. Archers beat cavalry, cavalry beat infantry, infantry beat archers, or something like that.

Hmm sounds a tiny ickle bit like the minigame in FF7, is it like that at all? If it's only a few battles I think I can handle it.

What can I say, I like talking about RPG's...a lot. Oh yeah! I love Star Ocean too. I own all of them now, thanks to the PSP! Haven't beaten SOII yet, its a lot of fun though. I have SO4 for the Xbox, but its still in its wrapping. I have a serious backlog and no time to play them. Damn you college!

Haha me too The Xbox Star Ocean is my first go at the series, tho I did get the ps2 one first. Gamefaqs on a whole seem to hate Last Hope, but I adore it; the graphics are gorgeous, the quests can keep you busy for ages, the battle arena too, there's an affection system with all of your team, the story is good but can be a little cheesy sometimes. If it is the black sheep then I'll really enjoy the other three. I've played the beginning of each of them anyway as I test every game I buy (preowned/used you just have to, don't you ), but yeah my ps2/psp queue are quite lengthly at the mo.

Yeah damn work, gets in the way of everything But it did fund my xbox and psp treats from me to me's, so I shouldn't complain

 

[Exire]

I heard really bad things about the little Xenosaga I thing that came with the PAL package. I think it just has a few cutscenes from the original or is a basic retelling...it really doesn't do the game any justice.

Hmm sounds a tiny ickle bit like the minigame in FF7, is it like that at all? If it's only a few battles I think I can handle it.

It's basically like that. Of the groups of soldiers you have, you can cast magic, depending on if your controlling a playable character. It's basically the same thing, just in a larger scale. There's a bit more than a few, but its not like I'm talking thirty of them. They are major to the storyline though. I suck at it, but maybe you'd find it easy. It plays like a real time war strategy game, like Age of Empires, etc. They're few and far between regardless.

I just checked Amazon for Suikoden II. To get a used one that's actually in good condition, that'll clear me over $80. If your looking for it new or like new, then its into the hundreds of dollars. Not fair. If I saw it anywhere for 50 bucks I'd get it in a second. In comparison, that's one hell of a deal. I really want PSN to put Suikoden II on there. Maybe there's somewhere I can complain.