Serious The Rapture.........Do you believe it will happen?

[Sum1sgruj]

obviously you're too intellectual for this forum. i wasnt insulting you based on your grammar, i was pointing out that you cant communicate your ideas effectively, i think other people have went the long way about telling you something similar and you seemed to take great offence to it...theres a surprise.

spiritual acknowledgement, that wont help me get on with life. nor will attempting to debate about wild fantasies that have no evidence to support them.

im not the one crying and getting all hostile because everyone wouldnt submit to my way of thinking.

i pointed out your own words, now youve changed your mind suddenly with regards to the bible being a historical text. i can compare it to lord of the rings precisely because they are both fictional texts. they might contain some facts about some things but they are still fictional texts.

you dont have to want to know everything in order to not be ignorant. i want to know about things that will affect me and get on with life. and for you to call someone else ignorant is a bit ironic considering you say you're a christian. having faith is ignorance in itself is it not?

Like I said, do not tell about how I am 'too intellectual for this forum'. Actually, go ahead and state that, because if you realized what you were saying you would take that back really quick.
And like I stated before, these 'wild fantasies' have already been explained in full detail, and you are completely ignoring it, thinking I am going to waste my time going through it again so you can spit it back in my face and/or tell me I am false for not doing so. You have put yourself in an ongoing debate with no idea of what has been talked about. That is very obvious, if in fact you are not just being a straw man.

You didn't point out anything. In that respect, you are being a straw man, which is the greatest tool to use when someone else will surely, falsely, back you up.
I see these things, and that is why I have always been comfortable debating by myself, with no potential siders to try and pervert a discussion for my behalf.

As far as ignorance, the idea of a maker has been a truth for me. There is no other rationale except false hope on the contrary, which is also something I explained in full detail. I can see why some would find that insulting or unknown, but that does not phase me really. In a million years, my idea will still hold more then any scientific intrigue. Wild ideals have all but amounted to quarks being strings and how the only logic in an infinite reality is infinite universes and other dimensions. That is something you have to believe if you think there is no god. Do not think there is a middle ground.
I have explained that in full detail, also.

The only faith for me is that the maker is the Abrahmaic God, and that He sent Jesus as the Messiah.
But nonetheless, believing there is no god is more ignorant then anything, because science fails miserably at even an inventive, imaginitive contrary.

 

[Harlequin]

Jim Sum1sgruj

Just quick, the Bible isn't considered fictional, when we define works as fiction we make the assertion that to the best of our knowledge the work is indeed fiction.

The LoTRs is fiction for example, but no one knows whether or not the Bible, Torah or Quran are fiction.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

a) you dont know what a straw man is, so wise up

b) ive read through pages and pages and pages (and pages) of your non sensical crap. if this is what you call debating then i think you really need to take a look at someone who CAN debate.

c) inability to communicate your ideas. you have explained nothing. youve threw the idea of wild fantasies about as if theyre facts and theyre not and youre calling me ignorant for recognising this. doesnt quite work like that, son.

d) if you dont think you're too intellectual for this forum then stop trying to come off that way, because you're certainly not. im not a know it all, theres a lot i dont understand, what im quite good at is spotting bullshitters and people who THINK they know what theyre talking about. i can say with confidence that i've spotted one today and his username is sum1sgruj.

i do not believe that god is going to come and take all the good boys and girls away and leave the rest of us to burn or whatever fantastical bullshit it is these people are predicting. if, in your twisted shithouse of a world, that is ignorance, then i am ignorant. in your mind. that is all.



Harlequin i cannot prove that unicorns dont exist, that doesnt mean theyre real. "in the beginning there was nothing, then a magical creature turned on a light then he made a planet. he did all this in 7 days" a book that opens like that is fictional. it wont be in the factual section, or the fictional section, itll be in the section we created to save any religious people from being offended "religious texts".

 

[unadulteratedawesome]

I know what a straw man is. You certainly do not.

Then why do you keep saying people are straw men? You have a loose, poorly worded idea of what the straw man fallacy is given this post, but you keep using the term incorrectly. People construct a straw man, they don't become straw men. Jesus Christ, I can't even believe I am having to type this.

People aren't cherry picking or straw manning your arguments. You are simply expressing your arguments poorly meaning that if there's any misrepresentation of your beliefs, it's normally because you were incoherent. It'd be easier to list the times you made sense than the times you haven't.

when we define works as fiction we make the assertion that to the best of our knowledge the work is indeed fiction.

That makes sense, but to the best of our knowledge, the Bible is fiction. So is the Prose Edda, the Torah, the Quran, the Upanishads and many other religious texts.

And the Bible only comes into this topic loosely. The real issue is prophecy. Prophecy should be the easiest of magical things to prove the existence of. Just repeatedly demonstrate an ability to predict something completely accurately and voila! With that evidence we could construct a theory! However, this has never been demonstrated.

 

[CassinoChips]

A) Stay on-topic.

B) Quit pointing fingers.

C) I really am getting tired of giving the same warnings to the same people over and over again. Either follow the rules, or don't post. I've been giving you plenty of rope, but at this point, you're beginning to hang yourselves with it. Interpret that information how you will.

 

[Æon Flux]

Well apparently the Rapture is now in October.....
Although I did have fun telling my coworkers they are as evil as myself for still being here
I personaly believe this is a type of thing one cant predict,if one believes in this sort of thing that is, So regardless of dates I still dont believe it to be valid by any means.
I cant tell you how many "end of the world" theories I have lived threw and personaly im tired of people going on about them.
If it comes it comes one cant do anything about it,If it dosent it dosent ~one continues on.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

What I actually find so amusing about this is that some people actually want some sort of rapture to happen. It's a bit disturbing that some people actually find joy in this, but I imagine they want it to happen because it makes their lives more exciting. Either that or they've been indoctrinated to the point where something this crazy makes them happy. I mean there's lots of things we would consider too crazy to do or go along with unless we were brainwashed into believing it, and religious indoctrination happens to be one of the best ways in which that happens.

I think your correct with you saying this about 2012, however I don't believe its some kind of sickness that people are expecting or halfway desire for it too happen. I know you do not believe in god, but that doesnt mean other people do not. Have you considered it through the eyes of a truely religious person who believes that the rapture is an instant ticket to heaven? If you really do accept jesus and it actually does happen than the rest of us would be the fools stuck choosing sides amongst chaos. Also I believe many people would want to see it for confirmation that religious beliefs were not in vain. Lets face it, Christians have been getting run into the ground and stomped all over by skeptics over the last 2 decades, the falling of religion is due to the cynics pushing those people around when they actually want to give faith a chance. Either way I am not religious but I am however open minded to what I can not understand. I think that if the world does end, it would mean a lot more to see it fall under god instead of our own destruction of the planet or mayan prediciton.

Well apparently the Rapture is now in October.....
Although I did have fun telling my coworkers they are as evil as myself for still being here
I personaly believe this is a type of thing one cant predict,if one believes in this sort of thing that is, So regardless of dates I still dont believe it to be valid by any means.
I cant tell you how many "end of the world" theories I have lived threw and personaly im tired of people going on about them.
If it comes it comes one cant do anything about it,If it dosent it dosent ~one continues on.

Everyone as I said before, the rapture is not depicted as a one day event. It is supposed to be from point A to point B. Point A is May 21st (Judgement day) and point B is October 21st (End of the world).

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this supposed to represent the time when god will wipe out all of his followers and take them to heaven leaving all of the godless or evil people on the earth? And the Anti christ will rise up and build an army of those people. And the second coming of Christ will happen and they will wage a 2nd war for heaven on Earth?

When Rapture comes to my mind it is this situation that pops in there. And honestly its the modern age, if the Anti Christ did rise up...do you think he would admit his identity?...or perhaps even try to camaflauge as a wordly leader. It is an intresting premis but do not read too much into this.

I think it makes for good movies and books. (southland tales, The stand) but honestly would pretty much suck if it happened eh.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

People aren't cherry picking or straw manning your arguments. You are simply expressing your arguments poorly meaning that if there's any misrepresentation of your beliefs, it's normally because you were incoherent. It'd be easier to list the times you made sense than the times you haven't.

'Straw man' carries a few illustrations. It can be what you are saying, or it can be someone drawing straws.
They both amount to the same interpretation.

And so you are being a straw man right now, which is a perfect interpretation of irony.

Anyways,

Just quick, the Bible isn't considered fictional

You are right on that part. The thing is, however, is that much of the bible can and has been substantiated as historical.
A lot of it is simply common sense when applied to reason, and a lot of it is simply substantiated with historical proof.

I am not arguing that any of the supernatural events are true in their perceptions, but the way I hear some talk about many of the events within the Bible, it makes one wonder just how much history they actually know.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

i dont think there's very much to "debate" in this thread given that what the batshit insane man predicted did not happen. it has never happened when some batshit insane person has predicted it thus we have no reason to believe it will ever happen when they predict it.

its safe to say we can all get on with our lives without worrying about the wrath of god etc.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

Well if that man had his religion straight he would have known the end was october and may21st was only the "start" of the rapture. Yet either way I don't buy it. It is fun to speculate though hehe

 

[der Astronom]

I think your correct with you saying this about 2012, however I don't believe its some kind of sickness that people are expecting or halfway desire for it too happen. I know you do not believe in god, but that doesnt mean other people do not. Have you considered it through the eyes of a truely religious person who believes that the rapture is an instant ticket to heaven?

And I find that sickening because you're basing it on little to no evidence at all, and you're doing it for selfish desires; what's going to happen to all the people that don't believe in the same religion as you? Do you want this to happen so that everyone else who doesn't believe the same thing is going to be screwed? Now I know not everyone believes non-believers are going to hell, but there are some people that do, and that they want to go to heaven at the expense of everyone else who doesn't believe not going to heaven is selfishness.

It doesn't matter which way you look at this, but anything based off of faith is not a good reason. I don't particularly care how they feel about it, but it's mentally unhealthy, and I don't think it's a good way of thinking anyways.

If you really do accept jesus and it actually does happen than the rest of us would be the fools stuck choosing sides amongst chaos. Also I believe many people would want to see it for confirmation that religious beliefs were not in vain. Lets face it, Christians have been getting run into the ground and stomped all over by skeptics over the last 2 decades, the falling of religion is due to the cynics pushing those people around when they actually want to give faith a chance.

Faith has been given plenty of chances in history. And you'll see that the majority of civilizations run primarily by religion fail. I think it's only fair that it gives the spotlight to science and other secular ideas that are better suited for running society. At some point in history, you were not even allowed to criticize religion. And I think it's been that way for centuries. And now, society is the only thing standing in the way of religion. It actually bothers me that we're trained by society to think we're not allowed to criticize religion because it's too "personal", and because people can get "offended"; well people can get offended by anything, and nothing is so sacred that it can't be criticized.

And if religion fails to critical thinking and logic, then so be it, it fails. At this day and age where we're all relying on science and secular ideas, and more and more people are losing faith, I don't see any reason why we have to give faith a chance. It's already been given a chance, and it blew it miserably.

Either way I am not religious but I am however open minded to what I can not understand. I think that if the world does end, it would mean a lot more to see it fall under god instead of our own destruction of the planet or mayan prediciton.

Yes, I agree we can't understand these people, but at the same time, many of the things they believe in are things that are probably better off not existing (do you really want a god watching over you every second of your life and judging you for the stupidest things that don't make any sense at all?), and don't make any sense, given our current understanding of reality. I don't think there's any more meaning to be had from having a world being destroyed by a god--particularly if this same god is going to condemn you to eternal torture, since you said you don't believe in him. The bible has already demonstrated to me that it doesn't contain anything particularly meaningful, and if you want to believe it does, that's your opinion.

That we might destroy ourselves, or that we know the sun will die and that we can't live on Earth anymore has more meaning because it is one of the discoveries of one of our best means of observing and understanding the world: science. That to me, means a lot more than one of those fairytales from some religious text happening to be true.

Everyone as I said before, the rapture is not depicted as a one day event. It is supposed to be from point A to point B. Point A is May 21st (Judgement day) and point B is October 21st (End of the world).

And why specifically would it have to be from May 21st? Should there not be some way of telling when exactly it starts? If nothing happens on the 21st, doesn't that technically mean it should have started later?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this supposed to represent the time when god will wipe out all of his followers and take them to heaven leaving all of the godless or evil people on the earth? And the Anti christ will rise up and build an army of those people. And the second coming of Christ will happen and they will wage a 2nd war for heaven on Earth?

When Rapture comes to my mind it is this situation that pops in there. And honestly its the modern age, if the Anti Christ did rise up...do you think he would admit his identity?...or perhaps even try to camaflauge as a wordly leader. It is an intresting premis but do not read too much into this.

Just like god doesn't exist for the same reason, right? However, we don't say god exists because he's hiding himself from us; we say he probably doesn't exist because we have no evidence that he does. It is a possibility that he could be hiding himself from us, but there's no evidence that he is. So we default to god probably doesn't exist.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

Haha man you are taking a lot of what I said pretty seriously.

Let me put it this way, if they are right, and god sweeps the earth for his followers..leaving the rest behind...I will admit they were right all along.

Quite frankly would it not also seem selfish if they turned out being correct and we just denied god because we did not want to have anything controlling us? Its like....well too bad.

Also It is not as selfish as you think, because regardless if you were taken to heaven by god or not (death), the people left on the earth.....can choose. They can join satan...who will let you do whatever you want...I'm sure^^. Or you can choose to accept god. It does not seem so unfair considering they held their faith strongly while the rest of the world called them crazy idiots for their faith...almost seems justified.

No I do not like the idea of a god making my decisions for me and judging me, but essentially that is what the governments doing, and the standards of the ten commandments and the law are not really that different. Society judges me everyday, and apparently jesus died to forgive sins.

The point I was making at the end is this. If the world does end, I would rather see it end with something behind all of it, instead of decaying into the ground with nothing but fear left in my heart as I died. I would prefer to die with a wink of hope. Even though I am not religious I still think the idea of a "heaven" waiting for me...sounds just fine.

Also like I said before I do not believe it, but early in the thread I linked the religious website that explained why it began on May 21st.

Its all just intresting speculation for me.

I think people who only believe in facts are limiting themselves. I try to think outside of the box as much as possible. The less you expect from life the less chance you can be let down. And the more you are willing to believe than the more you can be prepared for when something amazing really happens. Facts do not start out as facts, they become facts based on "our" judgement, experiements,tests, and conclusions, who is to say we are correct besides ourselves. Same goes for them, who is to say they are wrong except for other people.

Thats really all I have to say about this issue.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Here is the thing about prophesy,, there is no point in calling it true beyond a doubt, because you do not know. There is no point in calling it false, because you do not know.

All I know is, the Bible carries a lot of weight whether on chooses to realize it or not. There are simply too many connections and coincidence to not even consider it for speculation. People think that the texts in the Bible were written in a big old book and passed own, when really they were canonized into a big old book.
There is no conspiracy in it, plain and simple. You pretty much have to rely on coincidence and easily intrigued/uneducated people.

As for prophesy at it's core, the only thing I can say is that if you choose not to believe it, then you better hope it is not true. People commonly think that is some shaming phrase from a a theist, but really, have you read it?
It's the prophesies that do so.

Bias' plant themselves in logic in very discreet ways. In fact, it's better to think of it as a plant. The plant itself is the obvious biased opinions and ideas that generally come out for others to potentially see. The roots dwell in the epicenter of logic itself:

A caveman would never believe an idea of a television or a light bulb. This is because they have never seen it and have never observed anything in nature that allows for such a thing to exist in their eyes.
A modern atheist does not believe in, lets say, the ten plagues in ancient Egypt. But it's only out of not observing such forces at work.

See, those two things are separated in logic, but they are the same exact thing. Just because we have figured out things scientifically holds no bearing whatsoever, period.

It's a pitfall of thought that some should think about. Bias is that static separating two like concepts and trying to set one at a higher standard.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

A caveman would never believe an idea of a television or a light bulb. This is because they have never seen it and have never observed anything in nature that allows for such a thing to exist in their eyes.

a light bulb is light. the sun allows that to exist. nature allows light to exist.

television is just an extension of our vision except that its inside a box. cavemen werent technologically advanced enough to make it - a scotsman was tho

light and vision are not new concepts, we've had light and have been able to see since forever. god isnt a new concept either, but we havent observed anything to suggest that a god exists - youre suggesting that we've just not observed it yet. how long should we wait? faith is faith. if you have faith you dont need evidence so you shouldnt be waiting for god to appear before you. as i said, im not a person of faith, i believe what i see, feel, touch, hear, smell and taste. many people are similar in that respect.

and so if, by chance, a god does exist, and if it decides one day to take all the believers...so what? i live fine knowing i havent observed any "acts of god", i dont lose any sleep over it, just as i lose no sleep when some batshit insane wanker says the world is going to end.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

a light bulb is light. the sun allows that to exist. nature allows light to exist.

television is just an extension of our vision except that its inside a box. cavemen werent technologically advanced enough to make it - a scotsman was tho

None of that is relevant at all.

The caveman did not see a lightbulb as being a possible construct. Modern atheists do not see godly plagues as being a possible construct.

They are the same exact idea, only your bias manipulates logic. You think because we have found out that a lightbulb can be realized, that somehow omits a supernatural event.

The only thing anyone can really know is that they do not.
As far as a maker goes, all of nature points toward one. Nothing in theoretical physics, however, even comes close to prescribing an answer, and look how seemingly wild they are. They practically surpass the improbabliity of Zeus in the biased logic a lot of atheist throw up, and yet this goes ignored because, well, they are bias'.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

a lightbulb in its most basic form is realised by nature - the sun. as is vision - we have eyes, we can see.

god is not, we have sex, we get pregnant, we give birth, we are not created by god. i dont think theres anything in the bible about cavemen, were adam and eve supposed to be that primitive?

im not a female, nor am i a sheep. im also not the one who's part of an internationally recognised brainwashing cult.

 

[der Astronom]

Haha man you are taking a lot of what I said pretty seriously.

Let me put it this way, if they are right, and god sweeps the earth for his followers..leaving the rest behind...I will admit they were right all along.

Okay, but might doesn't make right. Even if they were right about god, it's not as if you have to believe god is right. Not sure what your opinions are about that, but I just thought I'd point that out.

Quite frankly would it not also seem selfish if they turned out being correct and we just denied god because we did not want to have anything controlling us? Its like....well too bad.

Not liking god's control over us isn't the only reason I deny/dislike it; I deny it because there's no evidence that god exists. There's no evidence that any of these prophecies people come up with will happen; there's a possibility that it will happen, but quite frankly, judging by all the failed prophecies, inside and outside of the bible, there's really almost no chance that they're right. That people believe these things is not due to logic or reason; it's all just faith. If you ask them why they believe it's going to happen, they just randomly pick out some number or interpretation of something in the bible, and that to them means something is going to happen. All it is is the human mind's ability to imagine and interpret meaning where it doesn't even exist. It's the same idea as seeing a face in a cloud of gases in the sky.

As I have told someone elsewhere, I'd rather be wrong about the rapture because I had no evidence than to be right about it for no good reason at all.

Also It is not as selfish as you think, because regardless if you were taken to heaven by god or not (death), the people left on the earth.....can choose. They can join satan...who will let you do whatever you want...I'm sure^^. Or you can choose to accept god. It does not seem so unfair considering they held their faith strongly while the rest of the world called them crazy idiots for their faith...almost seems justified.

But that's not what everybody who believes in rapture believes; only some of them do. Under your perspective of rapture, god is fair. Under a different perspective of rapture where everyone who does not believe suffers eternal torture, god is not fair. And it has the same problem as Pascal's Wager; sure you might believe in god so that you can avoid a nonbeliever's fate if god existed, but it might not be the exact same god you believed in, and you would be just as screwed.

No I do not like the idea of a god making my decisions for me and judging me, but essentially that is what the governments doing, and the standards of the ten commandments and the law are not really that different. Society judges me everyday, and apparently jesus died to forgive sins.

Again, might does not make right. Just because government and society control us is no reason to speak out against it if you believe it's unjust. Otherwise, let's just not abolish slavery for the last century because they're controlling us. Let's not bother with the enlightenment because the government controls us. Or let's not bother with rights for gays and women because the current government has power over us. Or let's not protest because we don't have freedom of speech.

It is for the exact same reason why I complain about religion getting a free ticket for being offended.

The point I was making at the end is this. If the world does end, I would rather see it end with something behind all of it, instead of decaying into the ground with nothing but fear left in my heart as I died. I would prefer to die with a wink of hope. Even though I am not religious I still think the idea of a "heaven" waiting for me...sounds just fine.

That's wishful thinking. I don't like the idea of heaven because it means I have to exist forever and because it gives the current life I have now not much meaning. Why do I care to do anything for the people around me, so long as this god does not will it? If you only care about heaven, then you don't care about this world. You don't care about all the poor people on this planet if heaven existed because they don't matter in the grand scheme of things. So long as you don't believe god is asking you to help them, you wouldn't care. This mentality is entirely selfish, and that's exactly why religion makes people selfish. Because people want to go to heaven and they'll do anything for their religion to get there.

I am not afraid of a universe which has no inherent meaning because it means I have to care about this life that I have now. And it's not so bad. It's certainly better than caring about an existence you're not even sure about.

Also like I said before I do not believe it, but early in the thread I linked the religious website that explained why it began on May 21st.

Its all just intresting speculation for me.

I think people who only believe in facts are limiting themselves. I try to think outside of the box as much as possible. The less you expect from life the less chance you can be let down. And the more you are willing to believe than the more you can be prepared for when something amazing really happens. Facts do not start out as facts, they become facts based on "our" judgement, experiements,tests, and conclusions, who is to say we are correct besides ourselves. Same goes for them, who is to say they are wrong except for other people.

Relying on fact just means I make my decisions based off of fact. It does not mean that I am not aware of other possibilities, or even that I'm willing to consider them. However, I have already gone over consideration of quite a few of these ideas that keep popping up, but which have no evidence. I cannot be surprised if they do happen; the only surprising part is the fact that the probability for them happening was low to begin with. I am not so much concerned with whether or not what people believe is right or wrong; I am more concerned with how they arrive at such conclusions. As I said, I'd rather be wrong about the conclusion, but right about the probability than to be right for sheer dumb luck, and be wrong about how I arrived at it.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

a lightbulb in its most basic form is realised by nature - the sun. as is vision - we have eyes, we can see.

god is not, we have sex, we get pregnant, we give birth, we are not created by god. i dont think theres anything in the bible about cavemen, were adam and eve supposed to be that primitive?

im not a female, nor am i a sheep. im also not the one who's part of an internationally recognised brainwashing cult.

And there is nothing in science about how life began. Science, in the way it is taught and interpreted, is potentially brainwashing. Talk about evolution, drill it into heads, and when it's asked where life came form, just reply 'that's not science'.

Dawkins, among others, are trying to get people to believe that religion is all the problems in the world and atheism is the key. Like the world's not going to murder itself either way. For a bunch of people who dream of a space age, they comically are not on planet Earth when they rant on about theists.
Atheists love these people though some will not admit it, and will eat up everything they say, defend every word of it, and even lay there own logic to the dogs. It's pitiful.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

this isnt a debate about the origins of life. see the big bang theory for something along those lines.

id rather trust in a system that can prove some things (afterall science doesnt claim to know everything) than a system which requires me to have faith in a magical being in the sky. i dont think science is that passionate about making people believe most of the time its "this is what we've found. believe it. dont. we dont care." whereas religion is constantly forcing itself upon us with no basis to its argument. like i said if it makes you feel comfortable believing in god thats fine, i hope that goes well for you but science is about more than faith.

do you actually have a view on this rapture thing? without getting all "intellectual" and "philisophical" on me and talking about alternate realities and sentience?

do you believe that youll be saved in october?

 

[Sum1sgruj]

this isnt a debate about the origins of life. see the big bang theory for something along those lines.

Exactly. Just like there is no explanation for where life came from., there is none for where reality came from.

id rather trust in a system that can prove some things (afterall science doesnt claim to know everything) than a system which requires me to have faith in a magical being in the sky. i dont think science is that passionate about making people believe most of the time its "this is what we've found. believe it. dont. we dont care." whereas religion is constantly forcing itself upon us with no basis to its argument. like i said if it makes you feel comfortable believing in god thats fine, i hope that goes well for you but science is about more than faith.

Science is nothing but faith. It just provides an illusion of security. You have to believe that there are infinite universes, other dimensions, and some extreme elegant idea such as strings and branes to make infinite not contradict all of reality itself.
Do you think those ideas would exist if infinite was not a problem? Such is the comical part of the entire idea.
Science is all about proof. And if I say that it is impossible for science to prove something, even though it can still exist and logically so, what do you say?
Exactly.

do you actually have a view on this rapture thing? without getting all "intellectual" and "philisophical" on me and talking about alternate realities and sentience?

I was talking about it initially, before it was derailed by others trying to get all technical.
Do you actually do anything besides talk shit? You need to just stop quoting and conveying in lieu of me because you are just going to fail miserably. I have not been the problem, it has been you and certain others from the damn start. Therefore, you will be chewed up with the rest.

do you believe that youll be saved in october?

See previous posts. Damn straw man.